Identified! MD - Woodlawn, WhtFem 279UFMD, 15-25, near cemetery, 'JP' Tattoo, Sep'76 - Margaret Fetterolf
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https://www.bostonglobe.com/2016/03...nd/ibIhDjKvv82G7uutFHnO4M/story.html#comments
New clues emerge in 40-year-old murder mystery.
New clues emerge in 40-year-old murder mystery.
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jennifer barton is a rule out.
and also the only one on the list Roselvr posted that seems like she would have been anywhere near the right age...
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i am confused now. thought the girl from puerto rico that immigrated from JP had ben ruled out according to someone here who talked to LE? this article implies they are still looking into her?
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Wow; wonder what genius turned them in. lol There are a few weird ones
Thelma Cobb 1916 Indiana
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Probably automated suggestions by the NamUs system.
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I'm new to this thread. Recently I've been wishing that a criminal profiler would profile the killer. I think that could be a very useful tool for the public to help ID both the killer & WJD.
This case is just so heartbreaking & brutal. I sincerely hope that WJD is identified this year!
Aspects that a profile would help put in focus:
1- Offender or victim's connection to mental or medical institution.
-sheet found on her, chlorpromazine, anti-psychotic drug in her system, medical bandages used to bind her...
Was it more likely that the offender or victim had a connection to a mental/medical institution? Does the offender show signs of a mental illness, such as schizophrenia? If yes, what kind of behavioral clues could the offender have displayed, ie. stalking behavior, hallucinations, aggression, etc.
References:
medical sheets: (http://crimewatchdaily.com/2015/10/05/unsolved-woodlawn-maryland-jane-doe-1976/)
chlorpromazine drug in her system: http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/bs-md-co-woodlawn-jane-doe-20160308-story.html
- Her bindings, according to Doe Network, "Her hands were tied behind her back in perfect knots with some type of medical bandage"
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/279ufmd.html
2. Her remains and where they were left:
Was it a personal crime vs. stranger offense? She was left covered... is that remorse or to further hide the body?
Where she was left: was he a local? What does the location of where she was left say about the offender? Did it have significance for him? Was this a high-risk location for him to leave her body?
3. Seed bag/outdoors
The seed bag & where she was found: does it suggest that the offender worked outdoors (ie landscaping, park worker, cemetery worker, etc.)
4. Serial offender?
The crime was brutal. Is this the work of a beginner or repeat offender? How likely was he to offend again? If repeat offender, does the crime show any signs of offender having been previously incarcerated?
5- what could the profiler say about the victim that could help id her?
This case is just so heartbreaking & brutal. I sincerely hope that WJD is identified this year!
Aspects that a profile would help put in focus:
1- Offender or victim's connection to mental or medical institution.
-sheet found on her, chlorpromazine, anti-psychotic drug in her system, medical bandages used to bind her...
Was it more likely that the offender or victim had a connection to a mental/medical institution? Does the offender show signs of a mental illness, such as schizophrenia? If yes, what kind of behavioral clues could the offender have displayed, ie. stalking behavior, hallucinations, aggression, etc.
References:
medical sheets: (http://crimewatchdaily.com/2015/10/05/unsolved-woodlawn-maryland-jane-doe-1976/)
chlorpromazine drug in her system: http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/bs-md-co-woodlawn-jane-doe-20160308-story.html
- Her bindings, according to Doe Network, "Her hands were tied behind her back in perfect knots with some type of medical bandage"
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/279ufmd.html
2. Her remains and where they were left:
Was it a personal crime vs. stranger offense? She was left covered... is that remorse or to further hide the body?
Where she was left: was he a local? What does the location of where she was left say about the offender? Did it have significance for him? Was this a high-risk location for him to leave her body?
3. Seed bag/outdoors
The seed bag & where she was found: does it suggest that the offender worked outdoors (ie landscaping, park worker, cemetery worker, etc.)
4. Serial offender?
The crime was brutal. Is this the work of a beginner or repeat offender? How likely was he to offend again? If repeat offender, does the crime show any signs of offender having been previously incarcerated?
5- what could the profiler say about the victim that could help id her?
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It all matches the profile of Latin American death squads <modsnip>
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This is a question for those of you with more experience in following these cases. Seems that over the past 2 days there's been an uptick in news articles on WJD. Coverage spans the globe, from US, UK to Australia. What do you think that means?
From this interview (http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2016/03/26/new-evidence-could-bring-answers-in-40-year-old-cold-case/)
with CBS Baltimore, Det. Jacoby says:
"Detective Jacoby believes the pollen is connected to the Arnold Arboretum in Boston, allowing investigators to narrow down the search and question people who could have been in that area 40 years ago.
We found the mountain hemlock and cedar plant, and it still has the tag on it from when it was planted in 1969, Jacoby said."
Other news stories in past 48 hours:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/03/2...40-year-old-maryland-murder.html?intcmp=hpbt4
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...red-40-years-ago-finally-crack-cold-case.html
http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2016/03/26/new-evidence-could-bring-answers-in-40-year-old-cold-case/
http://www.abcactionnews.com/news/n...provide-missing-link-in-40yearold-cold-case-1
http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/re...r/news-story/9ed8df621a920be9197ec7a1f8c805cc
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/pollen-...n-1976-cold-case-murder-of-woodlawn-jane-doe/
From this interview (http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2016/03/26/new-evidence-could-bring-answers-in-40-year-old-cold-case/)
with CBS Baltimore, Det. Jacoby says:
"Detective Jacoby believes the pollen is connected to the Arnold Arboretum in Boston, allowing investigators to narrow down the search and question people who could have been in that area 40 years ago.
We found the mountain hemlock and cedar plant, and it still has the tag on it from when it was planted in 1969, Jacoby said."
Other news stories in past 48 hours:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/03/2...40-year-old-maryland-murder.html?intcmp=hpbt4
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...red-40-years-ago-finally-crack-cold-case.html
http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2016/03/26/new-evidence-could-bring-answers-in-40-year-old-cold-case/
http://www.abcactionnews.com/news/n...provide-missing-link-in-40yearold-cold-case-1
http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/re...r/news-story/9ed8df621a920be9197ec7a1f8c805cc
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/pollen-...n-1976-cold-case-murder-of-woodlawn-jane-doe/
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Another article on WJD:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...red-40-years-ago-finally-crack-cold-case.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...red-40-years-ago-finally-crack-cold-case.html
This year is the 40th Anniversary (or will be on 9/12). Key anniversaries (10, 20, 25, etc) are the best times to get the media to pay attention.
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I clicked on a few articles, not seeing any new info. I think they're getting the info out to as many news agencies as possible in hopes of finding her friends or family. I think looking thru year books didn't work out for what ever reason. Really wish they would have put a name out there but they never did. We regularly share her on Never Forget Me, hoping to hit just the right person.
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Det. Jacoby and colleagues, and their counterparts in Baltimore, are really trying to get the word out. They've had several press releases, interviews, and press conferences. That has increased public interest, which has in turn increased the interest the news media in the area are paying to it.
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Ok, I looked carefully from the beginning of the thread till now and I'm pretty sure this has not been mentioned. If it has, sorry!
I was re-reading the WCVB article from December 2015 with Boston Police Sgt. Detective Bill Doogan, who grew up in Jamaica Plain:
According to him, he "recalled the Arboretum, or the "Arbs," as a "place for young people to hang around, just lounge around, goof off."
Source: http://www.wcvb.com/news/boston-police-join-hunt-for-woodlawn-jane-does-id-killer/37040714
So on a lark I started to google map the Arboretum... and see what was around it:
2 interesting places are across the street from the Arboretum:
1- Brigham & Women's Faulkner Hospital
2- The Italian Home for Children
Brigham & Women's Faulkner Hospital at 1153 Centre St. Before it integrated with Brigham & Women's it was just "Faulkner Hospital" which was a community hospital.
http://jamaicaplaingazette.com/2008/06/13/hospital_quietly_becomes_major_medical_center/
Interesting tidbit:
I'm not sure it means anything, but May 22, 1976 was, "M-Day" when patients were moved from the "old" Faulkner hospital to the new one. I don't think it actually changed addresses, just that a better facility was probably built on property... but that's as far as I got in my research. According to the link below, the National Guard was "on hand to assist the carefully planned and smoothly orchestrated event."
Source: This is image # 4 of the flip thru gallery: http://proundesign.com/Faulkner-Hospital-History-Wall
The Faulkner Hospital made me think of the 3 of the clues which suggest WJD or her killer had some connection to a medical/mental institution:
1. medical "grade" sheets (if I can call it that...)
source: (http://crimewatchdaily.com/2015/10/0...jane-doe-1976/)
2. chlorpromazine drug in her system
source: http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/mar...308-story.html
3. medical bandage: Her bindings, according to Doe Network, "Her hands were tied behind her back in perfect knots with some type of medical bandage"
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/279ufmd.html
The Italian Home for Children at 1125 Centre St is also across the street from the Arboretum and next door to the old Faulkner hospital.
It is described as:
"residential and day-time facility treats severely abused and neglected at-risk children aged 4 to 14. Children who cycle through foster homes, have survived abuse or attempted suicide—the IHC works with troubled kids to reintegrate them back into their communities, IHC Director of Events and Public Relations Julie Clerc told the Gazette last week."
source: http://jamaicaplaingazette.com/2014/04/25/jp-kids-italian-home-helps-troubled-children/
History of Italian Home for Children: http://www.italianhome.org/?page_id=2191
"1968
Italian Home for Children separates from the Catholic Church.
Subsequently, children with behavioral and family problems, many of them victims of abuse or neglect, were also accepted. The professional services of a social worker, consulting psychologist and teachers were added to supplement the work of the Sisters and services to the children.
1974
In response to the changing political and social climate, the Home's name was changed. Keeping its ties to the Italian community, the agency became the Italian Home for Children. By the mid-1970's, the Home had become a residential treatment center providing clinical services for emotionally challenged children of all nationalities and races."
I can imagine it looking a little like an imposing institutional like place from the outside:
source: http://jamaicaplaingazette.com/2014/04/25/jp-kids-italian-home-helps-troubled-children/
So with this post I'm just throwing ideas out there...
We don't know anything about WJD. Could she have been one of the young people who hung out in the Arbs as the detective mentioned? Did she or her killer have any connection to the Italian Home for Children or Faulkner Hospital? If in 1976 Faulkner Hospital moved patients (I'm not suggesting she was a patient and was moved or "lost" in transport) what it makes me think about is the possibility of a location that might not have been very secure and drugs, bandages, sheets, etc could have been stolen...
Just the proximity of the Arbs to these two institutions makes it very interesting to me in the WJD case in light of the pollen analysis...
I was re-reading the WCVB article from December 2015 with Boston Police Sgt. Detective Bill Doogan, who grew up in Jamaica Plain:
According to him, he "recalled the Arboretum, or the "Arbs," as a "place for young people to hang around, just lounge around, goof off."
Source: http://www.wcvb.com/news/boston-police-join-hunt-for-woodlawn-jane-does-id-killer/37040714
So on a lark I started to google map the Arboretum... and see what was around it:
2 interesting places are across the street from the Arboretum:
1- Brigham & Women's Faulkner Hospital
2- The Italian Home for Children
Brigham & Women's Faulkner Hospital at 1153 Centre St. Before it integrated with Brigham & Women's it was just "Faulkner Hospital" which was a community hospital.
http://jamaicaplaingazette.com/2008/06/13/hospital_quietly_becomes_major_medical_center/
Interesting tidbit:
I'm not sure it means anything, but May 22, 1976 was, "M-Day" when patients were moved from the "old" Faulkner hospital to the new one. I don't think it actually changed addresses, just that a better facility was probably built on property... but that's as far as I got in my research. According to the link below, the National Guard was "on hand to assist the carefully planned and smoothly orchestrated event."
Source: This is image # 4 of the flip thru gallery: http://proundesign.com/Faulkner-Hospital-History-Wall
The Faulkner Hospital made me think of the 3 of the clues which suggest WJD or her killer had some connection to a medical/mental institution:
1. medical "grade" sheets (if I can call it that...)
source: (http://crimewatchdaily.com/2015/10/0...jane-doe-1976/)
2. chlorpromazine drug in her system
source: http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/mar...308-story.html
3. medical bandage: Her bindings, according to Doe Network, "Her hands were tied behind her back in perfect knots with some type of medical bandage"
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/279ufmd.html
The Italian Home for Children at 1125 Centre St is also across the street from the Arboretum and next door to the old Faulkner hospital.
It is described as:
"residential and day-time facility treats severely abused and neglected at-risk children aged 4 to 14. Children who cycle through foster homes, have survived abuse or attempted suicide—the IHC works with troubled kids to reintegrate them back into their communities, IHC Director of Events and Public Relations Julie Clerc told the Gazette last week."
source: http://jamaicaplaingazette.com/2014/04/25/jp-kids-italian-home-helps-troubled-children/
History of Italian Home for Children: http://www.italianhome.org/?page_id=2191
"1968
Italian Home for Children separates from the Catholic Church.
Subsequently, children with behavioral and family problems, many of them victims of abuse or neglect, were also accepted. The professional services of a social worker, consulting psychologist and teachers were added to supplement the work of the Sisters and services to the children.
1974
In response to the changing political and social climate, the Home's name was changed. Keeping its ties to the Italian community, the agency became the Italian Home for Children. By the mid-1970's, the Home had become a residential treatment center providing clinical services for emotionally challenged children of all nationalities and races."
I can imagine it looking a little like an imposing institutional like place from the outside:
source: http://jamaicaplaingazette.com/2014/04/25/jp-kids-italian-home-helps-troubled-children/
So with this post I'm just throwing ideas out there...
We don't know anything about WJD. Could she have been one of the young people who hung out in the Arbs as the detective mentioned? Did she or her killer have any connection to the Italian Home for Children or Faulkner Hospital? If in 1976 Faulkner Hospital moved patients (I'm not suggesting she was a patient and was moved or "lost" in transport) what it makes me think about is the possibility of a location that might not have been very secure and drugs, bandages, sheets, etc could have been stolen...
Just the proximity of the Arbs to these two institutions makes it very interesting to me in the WJD case in light of the pollen analysis...
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I have found 2 contradicting dates for the Faulkner Hospital 1976 move. The one mentioned in the previous post puts the date of the move from old to new Faulkner Hospital as May 22, 1976.
But on this time line history of the Faulkner Hospital, it says June 20, 1976
http://brighamandwomensfaulkner.org/about-us/general-information/bwfh-news/bwfh-timeline.aspx
The time line history even has an embedded Youtube video of the move... in its 8mm(?) glory. The youtube video description & title say the move was May 1976... so which date is right? Anyway, I'm not going to harp on it, lol.
[video=youtube;1EUecVCqO14]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EUecVCqO14[/video]
But on this time line history of the Faulkner Hospital, it says June 20, 1976
http://brighamandwomensfaulkner.org/about-us/general-information/bwfh-news/bwfh-timeline.aspx
The time line history even has an embedded Youtube video of the move... in its 8mm(?) glory. The youtube video description & title say the move was May 1976... so which date is right? Anyway, I'm not going to harp on it, lol.
[video=youtube;1EUecVCqO14]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EUecVCqO14[/video]
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Ok, I looked carefully from the beginning of the thread till now and I'm pretty sure this has not been mentioned. If it has, sorry!
I was re-reading the WCVB article from December 2015 with Boston Police Sgt. Detective Bill Doogan, who grew up in Jamaica Plain:
According to him, he "recalled the Arboretum, or the "Arbs," as a "place for young people to hang around, just lounge around, goof off."
Source: http://www.wcvb.com/news/boston-police-join-hunt-for-woodlawn-jane-does-id-killer/37040714
So on a lark I started to google map the Arboretum... and see what was around it:
2 interesting places are across the street from the Arboretum:
1- Brigham & Women's Faulkner Hospital
2- The Italian Home for Children
Brigham & Women's Faulkner Hospital at 1153 Centre St. Before it integrated with Brigham & Women's it was just "Faulkner Hospital" which was a community hospital.
http://jamaicaplaingazette.com/2008/06/13/hospital_quietly_becomes_major_medical_center/
Interesting tidbit:
I'm not sure it means anything, but May 22, 1976 was, "M-Day" when patients were moved from the "old" Faulkner hospital to the new one. I don't think it actually changed addresses, just that a better facility was probably built on property... but that's as far as I got in my research. According to the link below, the National Guard was "on hand to assist the carefully planned and smoothly orchestrated event."
Source: This is image # 4 of the flip thru gallery: http://proundesign.com/Faulkner-Hospital-History-Wall
The Faulkner Hospital made me think of the 3 of the clues which suggest WJD or her killer had some connection to a medical/mental institution:
1. medical "grade" sheets (if I can call it that...)
source: (http://crimewatchdaily.com/2015/10/0...jane-doe-1976/)
2. chlorpromazine drug in her system
source: http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/mar...308-story.html
3. medical bandage: Her bindings, according to Doe Network, "Her hands were tied behind her back in perfect knots with some type of medical bandage"
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/279ufmd.html
The Italian Home for Children at 1125 Centre St is also across the street from the Arboretum and next door to the old Faulkner hospital.
It is described as:
"residential and day-time facility treats severely abused and neglected at-risk children aged 4 to 14. Children who cycle through foster homes, have survived abuse or attempted suicide—the IHC works with troubled kids to reintegrate them back into their communities, IHC Director of Events and Public Relations Julie Clerc told the Gazette last week."
source: http://jamaicaplaingazette.com/2014/04/25/jp-kids-italian-home-helps-troubled-children/
History of Italian Home for Children: http://www.italianhome.org/?page_id=2191
"1968
Italian Home for Children separates from the Catholic Church.
Subsequently, children with behavioral and family problems, many of them victims of abuse or neglect, were also accepted. The professional services of a social worker, consulting psychologist and teachers were added to supplement the work of the Sisters and services to the children.
1974
In response to the changing political and social climate, the Home's name was changed. Keeping its ties to the Italian community, the agency became the Italian Home for Children. By the mid-1970's, the Home had become a residential treatment center providing clinical services for emotionally challenged children of all nationalities and races."
I can imagine it looking a little like an imposing institutional like place from the outside:
source: http://jamaicaplaingazette.com/2014/04/25/jp-kids-italian-home-helps-troubled-children/
So with this post I'm just throwing ideas out there...
We don't know anything about WJD. Could she have been one of the young people who hung out in the Arbs as the detective mentioned? Did she or her killer have any connection to the Italian Home for Children or Faulkner Hospital? If in 1976 Faulkner Hospital moved patients (I'm not suggesting she was a patient and was moved or "lost" in transport) what it makes me think about is the possibility of a location that might not have been very secure and drugs, bandages, sheets, etc could have been stolen...
Just the proximity of the Arbs to these two institutions makes it very interesting to me in the WJD case in light of the pollen analysis...
I like these ideas a lot.
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Ok, I looked carefully from the beginning of the thread till now and I'm pretty sure this has not been mentioned. If it has, sorry!
I was re-reading the WCVB article from December 2015 with Boston Police Sgt. Detective Bill Doogan, who grew up in Jamaica Plain:
According to him, he "recalled the Arboretum, or the "Arbs," as a "place for young people to hang around, just lounge around, goof off."
Source: http://www.wcvb.com/news/boston-police-join-hunt-for-woodlawn-jane-does-id-killer/37040714
So on a lark I started to google map the Arboretum... and see what was around it:
2 interesting places are across the street from the Arboretum:
1- Brigham & Women's Faulkner Hospital
2- The Italian Home for Children
Brigham & Women's Faulkner Hospital at 1153 Centre St. Before it integrated with Brigham & Women's it was just "Faulkner Hospital" which was a community hospital.
http://jamaicaplaingazette.com/2008/06/13/hospital_quietly_becomes_major_medical_center/
Interesting tidbit:
I'm not sure it means anything, but May 22, 1976 was, "M-Day" when patients were moved from the "old" Faulkner hospital to the new one. I don't think it actually changed addresses, just that a better facility was probably built on property... but that's as far as I got in my research. According to the link below, the National Guard was "on hand to assist the carefully planned and smoothly orchestrated event."
Source: This is image # 4 of the flip thru gallery: http://proundesign.com/Faulkner-Hospital-History-Wall
The Faulkner Hospital made me think of the 3 of the clues which suggest WJD or her killer had some connection to a medical/mental institution:
1. medical "grade" sheets (if I can call it that...)
source: (http://crimewatchdaily.com/2015/10/0...jane-doe-1976/)
2. chlorpromazine drug in her system
source: http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/mar...308-story.html
3. medical bandage: Her bindings, according to Doe Network, "Her hands were tied behind her back in perfect knots with some type of medical bandage"
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/279ufmd.html
The Italian Home for Children at 1125 Centre St is also across the street from the Arboretum and next door to the old Faulkner hospital.
It is described as:
"residential and day-time facility treats severely abused and neglected at-risk children aged 4 to 14. Children who cycle through foster homes, have survived abuse or attempted suicidethe IHC works with troubled kids to reintegrate them back into their communities, IHC Director of Events and Public Relations Julie Clerc told the Gazette last week."
source: http://jamaicaplaingazette.com/2014/04/25/jp-kids-italian-home-helps-troubled-children/
History of Italian Home for Children: http://www.italianhome.org/?page_id=2191
"1968
Italian Home for Children separates from the Catholic Church.
Subsequently, children with behavioral and family problems, many of them victims of abuse or neglect, were also accepted. The professional services of a social worker, consulting psychologist and teachers were added to supplement the work of the Sisters and services to the children.
1974
In response to the changing political and social climate, the Home's name was changed. Keeping its ties to the Italian community, the agency became the Italian Home for Children. By the mid-1970's, the Home had become a residential treatment center providing clinical services for emotionally challenged children of all nationalities and races."
I can imagine it looking a little like an imposing institutional like place from the outside:
source: http://jamaicaplaingazette.com/2014/04/25/jp-kids-italian-home-helps-troubled-children/
So with this post I'm just throwing ideas out there...
We don't know anything about WJD. Could she have been one of the young people who hung out in the Arbs as the detective mentioned? Did she or her killer have any connection to the Italian Home for Children or Faulkner Hospital? If in 1976 Faulkner Hospital moved patients (I'm not suggesting she was a patient and was moved or "lost" in transport) what it makes me think about is the possibility of a location that might not have been very secure and drugs, bandages, sheets, etc could have been stolen...
Just the proximity of the Arbs to these two institutions makes it very interesting to me in the WJD case in light of the pollen analysis...
Very possible. I always wondered if she was a patient, things went wrong, they raped and murdered her. Possible one liked her, she wasn't returning his affection so he knocked her out and took it too far. I have to drive my daughter but check out what Carbuff said
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Hi Roselvr & Carbuff,
Part of what Carbuff's previous post made me think about whether or not the killer had a mental illness that led him to look for or obsess over these types of details. I don't even know if that's possible...
Since I posted yesterday, I keep wondering if there were incidents of thefts, break-ins, vagrancy, robberies, etc. in the old or new Faulkner hospital in 1976 or the year before during the construction. Could there be arrest records and could those hold a clue?
If WJD was a patient, I wonder how far back those records could go...
So many things to think about!