ME ME - Ayla Reynolds, 20 mnths, Waterville, 17 December 2011 - # 5

[ThoughtFox]

IMHO, when you have a small house like that, and 3 toddlers who aren't related to each other and their various parents and a grandma all living there, you DON'T go checking on a toddler in the middle of the night to see if they're okay. You're grateful for every bit of peace you can find.

I personally didn't ever check on my 20 month old babies unless they cried during the night or I heard something alarming. If they were healthy, and sleeping, I let them be.

I agree - my kids mostly slept through the night, but I let them stay up later in the evening, and usually we were worn out before they settled down. I always dreamed of putting a toddler down at 8 p.m. but it usually didn't happen, LOL.

And sometimes they would sleep 8-10 hours, but it was never like clockwork. Teething can interfere with sleep, or a dirty diaper, or with a younger baby, simply hunger.

I'm surprised no one has mentioned whether they fixed her a bottle that night before bedtime. With a sling on her arm, could she hold a bottle? If not, she probably would have whined or cried. I just wish we knew more about her regular routine.

 

[tamild]

Three weeks from Dec 20 would be about November 30 which seems to have been a rainy day. One would think he'd remember if the accident happened on the 24th, Thanksgiving (would he have been shopping on TG?) and if it happened the day before TG he is probably unlikely to have had any driving classes scheduled the next day. December 20th is more than a month from 17th, the next rainy day in November, and it probably wouldn't be described as three weeks ago. So that would appear to leave Nov. 30.

Trista says here that she only saw Ayla twice after rehab, the last date being Nov. 21.

Q: Other reports suggest that CPS gave Justin temporary custody of Ayla. I don't think you agree with that. But, after you got out of rehab, a month went by where you never saw Ayla, why?
TR: No, I had went like two and a half weeks without seeing her when I first got out of rehab, and then after, um, like the first week of November, I didn't see her again until the 21st of November. And then after the 21st of November I did not see her again.

It appears that Trista was present for the bone specialist visit based on this statement BBM:

GRACE: I want to go right now -- OK, hold on, I`m getting another question -- OK, another caller has another question, Trista, about a bone specialist. Did the baby see a bone specialist when she broke her arm?

TIRSTA REYNOLDS: Yes, we took her to Maine orthopedics, right in Portland.

If Trista was present for the bone specialist meeting, based on Trista's statements, that appointment had to be either the first week of November (unlikely), or November 21. The broken arm incident would've had to be at least a few days prior, since Trista has said that Justin waited at least 24 hrs to take Ayla to the emergency room. Based on the weather chart (thank you Donjeta!), I would guess the incident was on either Nov. 17 or 18.

All this is assuming, of course, that Trista's dates are reliable, as well as Justin's account of the weather. I am very intrigued by the "three weeks ago" account, since we've been hearing this for some time. Once again in this case, it seems we have either sloppy reporting or inconsistent statements. :banghead:

 

[cluciano63]

If JD's mother really works for CPS or something like that, I would think TR would be screaming about that...she may have referred to it once, according to some posters, but I would think it would be a major factor in her feelings of being treated unfairly, JMO...true or not.

 

[katydid23]

If JD's mother really works for CPS or something like that, I would think TR would be screaming about that...she may have referred to it once, according to some posters, but I would think it would be a major factor in her feelings of being treated unfairly, JMO...true or not.

TR's mother was complaining about it bitterly early on. She said something like " CPS does not like my family very much."
And she said something else like that too, but cannot remember exactly what.

 

[cluciano63]

Well, as always, I do feel LE knows the true situation about DPS, the custody issues, etc. and as the local poster indicated, they keep quiet as a matter of course while they investigate. My main fear in this case is that it may grind to a standstill, or should I say standoff, soon, if nothing breaks for LE. JMO

 

[cluciano63]

I see what you are saying. And it may have been hinky. But I also have to try and look at it through Phoebe's eyes. Imagine that you have a little granddaughter. And her mother immediately gets pregnant by another guy, and she has a tenuous living situation and she is having substance abuse problems. It gets so bad that she goes into rehab, and gives her two very young children to her sister, who is single and has her own child as well.

If it were me, I would try and make some calls and take control of my grandchild's situation if I could. I cannot fault her for that. imo

Well...Ayla didn't vanish while she was living in the tenuous situation with her mother...JMO

 

[ThoughtFox]

I see what you are saying. And it may have been hinky. But I also have to try and look at it through Phoebe's eyes. Imagine that you have a little granddaughter. And her mother immediately gets pregnant by another guy, and she has a tenuous living situation and she is having substance abuse problems. It gets so bad that she goes into rehab, and gives her two very young children to her sister, who is single and has her own child as well.

If it were me, I would try and make some calls and take control of my grandchild's situation if I could. I cannot fault her for that. imo

But where was she the night Ayla disappeared? :maddening: I can fault her for that, especially if she pulled strings to get the child away from her mother.

This case is fully of irony and tragedy, imo. The Dad and Grandma make a huge deal about Ayla's welfare and how they want custody, and then *poof* she's gone right out from under their noses (or whichever noses that were at home that night).

 

[cluciano63]

But where was she the night Ayla disappeared? :maddening:

This case is fully of irony and tragedy, imo. The Dad and Grandma make a huge deal about Ayla's welfare and how they want custody, and then *poof* she's gone right out from under their noses (or whichever noses that were at home that night).

And don't check on her...here I am harping about that again, but I can't let it go. This was an injured child....and Dad wasn't accustomed to being a parent for very long...I can't understand not checking on her...JMO

 

[katydid23]

Well...Ayla didn't vanish while she was living in the tenuous situation with her mother...JMO

Correct. But she could not foresee that happening,imo. I bet she thought that her home was going to be safer that where the baby was at the time.

Maybe she did not know about the gf's sister and the drug dealing.

 

[katydid23]

But where was she the night Ayla disappeared? :maddening: I can fault her for that, especially if she pulled strings to get the child away from her mother.

This case is fully of irony and tragedy, imo. The Dad and Grandma make a huge deal about Ayla's welfare and how they want custody, and then *poof* she's gone right out from under their noses (or whichever noses that were at home that night).

It is tragic. And I really want to know where she went that night. I am sadly surprised to find out that she was not there in her own home when Ayla went missing. But I still do not fault her for wanting to bring her grandchild into her home. I think TR had some issues and problems before rehab. Sure, like you say, the child never went missing from her home. But we still don't know who is physically responsible for her disappearance from Justin's home.

 

[Sparklin]

The possible drug connection worries me because it might mean that a normal Friday night with no party is not a good environment for small children. I think that the family wouldn't talk about who were in the home the night Ayla went missing because they rather liked the assumption that it was a grandma and her children and grandchildren cosily watching TV and having dinner.

I can't help fearing that there was something going on they'd rather keep quiet because even after LE said they have nothing against the family talking JD likes to stand behind their backs:



Why? Who would know better than the people who were there?

We have to keep in mind that LE would not tell us who was there either. And for absolute there are some things that LE has asked them NOT to share. I think the sister of the gf was under investigation for a while and they didn't want the sisters name out there for that reason. Justin is the one that told us who was there. LE seemed to have either gotten it wrong or at the very least excluded a child.

 

[Sparklin]

It is inconsistent imo.
If he doesn't believe what LE told him and if he didn't see the results, how does he know he "smoked it"?
http://www.kjonline.com/news/search...ceaccounts-differon-polygraph_2012-01-13.html

OT: IIRC Ronald Cummings said he and Misty passed the LDT with flying colors, and IMO Misty looked rather uncertain when the topic came up.

I don't think we were ever told by LE how Misty Croslin did in her LDT's but I suppose we can make some inferences from the comments they gave when she failed the LDT arranged by Tim Miller (they said it came as no surprise to them).

JMO but I don't think LE ever told Misty that she passed, they made it clear enough that they thought she was a liar.

I think he would know he 'smoked it' if he was blatantly honest and KNOWS he didn't lie. He has asked to see the report, he has asked that it be made public...if he had any doubts that he had passed, I doubt he would have made that request not knowing whether LE would oblige or not...

 

[Sparklin]

Wasn't there a recent video clip on this thread that showed Ayla playing in a tent with another child, kicking her and she was crying?

My butt is sore from sitting :fence:

I'm with you, Hoppy and Nina :fence:
At this point there are so many variables that we don't know, but I just don't see the dad hurting her. I'm not gullible, I know it could be, but aside from hoping he didn't, everything I've heard, seen makes me think he didn't.

Always amazes me how so many people can see the same information and form totally different opinions ~ what makes the world go 'round

 

[Sparklin]

It is tragic. And I really want to know where she went that night. I am sadly surprised to find out that she was not there in her own home when Ayla went missing. But I still do not fault her for wanting to bring her grandchild into her home. I think TR had some issues and problems before rehab. Sure, like you say, the child never went missing from her home. But we still don't know who is physically responsible for her disappearance from Justin's home.

bbm= Or for that matter where the bruises came from that TR is complaining about. I am just very confused about the fact that TR is saying 'every time' Ayla came home from visits with dad, she was bruised or hurt, and yet she agreed to let him take care of Ayla while she was in rehab...according to her!

The video I saw when Trista is talking about PD, she sounds very bitter towards her, and yet, she insisted that Justin live with her...It's all very odd to me. If PD was involved, perhaps she went to Trista and requested that Justin take care of Ayla and told her she would keep on eye on things? Then this...when PD was supposedly NOT eyeing things?

I don't know who did what, but I know I want to see this baby girl home with those who love her and will take care of her. I'm hoping and praying that happens.

 

[tlcya]

I see what you are saying. And it may have been hinky. But I also have to try and look at it through Phoebe's eyes. Imagine that you have a little granddaughter. And her mother immediately gets pregnant by another guy, and she has a tenuous living situation and she is having substance abuse problems. It gets so bad that she goes into rehab, and gives her two very young children to her sister, who is single and has her own child as well.

If it were me, I would try and make some calls and take control of my grandchild's situation if I could. I cannot fault her for that. imo

Good point. As a grandma, I too would have concerns. A couple of things that yours got me thinking about when I attempt to put myself in phoebe's shoes.

Trista was repotedly in rehab for alcohol abuse, that is the substance being abused. While that is very sad, not many people I know do not know someone who is or has struggled with that same issue. Trista was not off on meth or crack or other illegal drug binges. I am not making light of alcohol abuse, just making sure we are not giving renewed life to controversial questions that arose when the case first broke. Trista was seeking appropriate help for that issue. It is not uncommon for someone going off to rehab, particularly for a short stay, to give theichildren into a trusted family member's care. People go to rehab every day. Cps is usually not involved in that process.

Justin had only recently become involved in Ayla's life. If my adult son, who resided with me had a child, I would be moving heaven and earth to insure my son was part of that child's life, even if it involved a foot in his you know where. So that I too could be part of that child's life.

I and my son would already be a regular part of that child's life from the get go.

Don't take these thoughts as ripping on phoebe. But this is one thing that makes it harder to put myself in that pair of shoes. As far as I know, phoebe is a grandma who was finally seeng her son step up to the plate and was falling in love with her beautiful grandbaby, only to have her suddenly gone without a trace. This post is not meant to suggest otherwise.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

I was checking here to see if there has been any updates on little Ayla ...

And the most recent "movement" is that Justin's "lips are moving" ... again ...

And NOTHING -- NADA -- about little Ayla ... :banghead:


So here's more of my :twocents: FWIW :

JMO ... but I am NOT buying Justin's comments about his polygraph test results ...

IMO, Justin clearly tries to SHIFT whether or not he passed a poly TO LE ... and he knows that LE is NOT answering questions ... LE has been very quiet on a lot of details on this case ...

IF -- a BIG IF -- Justin PASSED the poly -- he would be "shouting it from the rooftops" that he "passed" ...

BUT NO -- he DEFLECTS ... Justin gives a very sarcastic answer that "I ... smoked it" ... I know young people use terms like this ... but really -- "I smoked it" ? WTH ?

Now, I would love to hear Mr. Marc Klaas' opinion about this "I smoked the polygraph". Mr. Klaas is a proponent of polys and I sure would like to know if Mr. Klaas has EVER heard a parent of a missing child use such a term.

And Justin said he was "NOT SURE" if his mother and GF took a poly ? Really ? Really ? Really ? Oh come on ... either PD and the GF took a poly or they did NOT ... it's either a yes or no, Justin ... again, I am not buying that he does NOT know if they took a poly ...

JMO ... but Justin KNOWS IF his mother and GF took a poly ...

Again ... MORE DEFLECTING from Justin ...


More :twocents: FWIW :

The issue of Ayla's "custody" IMO IS an issue in this case ... and while many believe that the "custody issue" has something to do with Ayla being missing and is the "primary reason" ... I do NOT ...

JMO ... JMO ... but I believe the primary issue in this case is ABUSE ...

- We have heard about "alcohol abuse" regarding Trista ...

- We have heard about Justin's GF's sister "drug issue" ... [sorry - don't have the link handy]

- We have heard about POSSIBLE ABUSE of Ayla -- the bruises -- I know -- it's from Trista -- and the broken arm -- which I do NOT want to re-hash here :innocent: but it is HINKY IMO !

Alcohol ... Drugs ... a Baby who is "missing" and has a broken arm, MISSED her doctor's appointment the day BEFORE she went "missing", and POSSIBLE bruises according to Ayla's maternal family ...

So NOT only does LE have to deal with all this "custody commotion" going on, they have to deal with some serious issues regarding ABUSE ...

Again, JMO ... but LE knows "something" from the EVIDENCE -- keeps taking them right back to the DiPietro home ...

MOO ...

 

[deoneta]

It doesn't seem that JD and PD were concerned about Ayla's "tenuous situation" for the first year of her life, back when JD "didn't want to be the father." I don't know what prompted JD's change of heart, whether it was genuine concern for his daughter, a reaction to criticism that he should "man up" or a power play with another agenda. Maybe a little bit of all the above.

PD seems very protective of JD. Even before her "clarification", PD's statements raised my hinky meter, especially when she went with "just a normal night", JD's phrase to describe that Friday night. The ER story never set right with me. Maybe JD had to go to his class, but was there no one else in the family who could have taken the baby to the ER? In all his defensive statements, nowhere has JD refuted the missing appointment with the specialist.

LE says there must have been a misunderstanding, we only told the family not to speak to the media for the first couple of days. Later LE went further and said they not only allowed their speaking out, but encouraged it. Still the family is hiding behind this supposed restriction.

LE says JD was informed of his LDT results, and JD's saying otherwise was not true. JD says he wasn't informed, but knows he "smoked it" anyway.

I tend to believe LE over the family. Maybe I am being harsh in my opinion, but when I look at every statement from JD, I only see self serving and defensive language which makes me think this family is hiding something. If they are, there are no good reasons, not in the case of a missing child. All MOO

 

[believe09]

No Rumors please. TIA

 

[Yoda]

Some of you sleuthers are reeeaallly talented, and darn it, I wish I knew all the tricks and techniques to find family connections. I don't think it has been brought up, but there was a parental 'kidnapping' about 10 years ago. A John dipietro took his son and disappeared with him. The boy was two. After four years, in 2004, someone recognized the boy from the age progression on a missing children website. He was returned to his mom. The case was on webslueths. Could John f. Dipietro be related to this family? Tia

 

[ThoughtFox]

Some of you sleuthers are reeeaallly talented, and darn it, I wish I knew all the tricks and techniques to find family connections. I don't think it has been brought up, but there was a parental 'kidnapping' about 10 years ago. A John dipietro took his son and disappeared with him. The boy was two. After four years, in 2004, someone recognized the boy from the age progression on a missing children website. He was returned to his mom. The case was on webslueths. Could John f. Dipietro be related to this family? Tia

I don't know that case, but here's the thing - in most "parental kidnappings," and in that one too, the parent disappears along with the child.

In Ayla's case, that didn't happen, so who's got the baby?