ME - Lewiston, Mass Shooting, Multiple Scenes - Oct 2023

[mickey2942]

If someone with a hearing impairment is experiencing auditory hallucinations, then gets hearing aids, would it make the auditory hallucinations louder? Hopefully my question makes sense.

No, because the auditory stimulus is from the brain. Outside source would not affect interior auditory stimulus. The problem many people have with hearing aids, is that they need to be used consistently, as in all of the time, to allow the auditory system time to receive, and interpret the information. It is important to continue to stimulate the auditory system and learn how things sound with hearing aids.

Many people have problems with using hearing aids, as in the beginning, you hear absolutely every sound, amplified. Yourself chewing, while simultaneously trying to listen to someone talk. It takes practice to learn how to filter out unnecessary sounds in the environment.

 

[LAhiker]

If someone with a hearing impairment is experiencing auditory hallucinations, then gets hearing aids, would it make the auditory hallucinations louder? Hopefully my question makes sense.

I don't think that would make them louder. The hallucinations are generated internally in the brain, whereas the hearing aids only amplify sounds coming from outside. But as people have noted, hearing aids are also frequently associated with distortion, feedback, etc., which RC could have misinterpreted.

It's also possible that his hearing loss had gotten bad enough that he couldn't hear others talking in places like the bar until he got the hearing aids. Once he got them, he might've half-heard people talking and might've misinterpreted the sounds as people saying humiliating things about him.

In other words, as people have noted, his mental illness may have made him misinterpret the changing auditory environment associated with the hearing aids.

(It's also true that people with severe hearing impairments can have auditory hallucinations. My mother became very deaf and heard singing. When there is no input, sometimes the brain makes something up. But the accounts given here by a number of people may explain why RC's had negative auditory hallucinations after getting the hearing aids.)

JMO

 

[megs1477]

No, because the auditory stimulus is from the brain. Outside source would not affect interior auditory stimulus. The problem many people have with hearing aids, is that they need to be used consistently, as in all of the time, to allow the auditory system time to receive, and interpret the information. It is important to continue to stimulate the auditory system and learn how things sound with hearing aids.

Many people have problems with using hearing aids, as in the beginning, you hear absolutely every sound, amplified. Yourself chewing, while simultaneously trying to listen to someone talk. It takes practice to learn how to filter out unnecessary sounds in the environment.

Just to throw this out there…there are several conditions where you hear music/talking that is not there. If he had some form of anxiety/paranoia, his brain could have interpreted the noise as people “talking about him” as was mentioned. This article explains the condition well. It is very hard to understand unless you have experienced it.

Apophenia, Audio Pareidolia and Musical Ear Syndrome

hearinglosshelp.com

 

[MyBelle]

This guy sounds like an animal.
JMO

MSN

With a death toll of 18, the rampage appears to be the deadliest mass shooting of the year in the United States and the deadliest since a gunman killed 19 students and two teachers at a school in Uvalde, Texas, in May 2022. There have been 565 mass shootings this year across the country, with four or more shot excluding the shooter, according to the Gun Violence Archive.

Of the 18 victims in Lewiston, seven were found dead at the bowling alley Just-In-Time Recreation and eight were found dead at Schemengees Bar & Grille, while three others died at the hospital, Ross said.

Central Maine Medical Center took in 14 patients over about 45 minutes Wednesday evening, Chief Medical Officer Dr. John Alexander said at a midday news conference Thursday. Eight patients are still hospitalized, including three in critical condition and five in stable condition. In addition, three died, two were discharged and one was transferred, he said.


“This is a dark day for Maine,” Mills said at the news conference. “It’s hard for us to think about healing when our hearts are broken.”

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Rick Goddard, 44, who lives across the street from Card's father's farm in Bowdoin, said Card was a gun enthusiast who otherwise kept a low profile. The last time he saw Card he was helping his father cut hay on their farm.

"I know that last year, when he shot a deer down here, he had a $2,000 thermal scope on his rifle. I mean, that's avid as far as I'm concerned," Goddard said.

Maine hunts for Army reservist suspected of killing 18 in Lewiston

Police on Thursday searched the woods, waterways and towns of Maine for a U.S. Army reservist wanted in connection with the mass shootings that killed 18 people and wounded 13 more the previous night at a bowling alley and a bar in Lewiston.

www.reuters.com

“This is a person who has military training. They have an elevated level of firearms proficiency, but they also have the knowledge of military tactics, most notably evasion and the strategy on how to go undetected,” said CNN Law Enforcement Analyst Jonathan Wackrow. “All of that going on is challenging to law enforcement.”

“The question is, does he have a boat there? Or is he aware of a boat he could take there, and is that a second part of the plan, or just because he has done his shooting and he is in escape mode and it’s where he ended up? Those are unknowns,” said CNN Chief Law Enforcement and Intelligence Analyst John Miller

October 27, 2023 news on the Maine shootings investigation

The Lewiston, Maine, shooting rampage suspect was found dead Friday night, police said, about 48 hours after the attack that left 18 dead and 13 wounded.

www.cnn.com

 

[Lucy6226]

Just to throw this out there…there are several conditions where you hear music/talking that is not there. If he had some form of anxiety/paranoia, his brain could have interpreted the noise as people “talking about him” as was mentioned. This article explains the condition well. It is very hard to understand unless you have experienced it.

Apophenia, Audio Pareidolia and Musical Ear Syndrome

hearinglosshelp.com

Just to add some personal experience to this. I have reduced hearing in one ear, sometimes whispering across a room on my 'good' side can be louder than someone speaking in front me.

I suffer from insomnia and after a particularly bad period of not sleeping for several days I heard two woman talking by my window, I went to the window to investigate and it was actually my partner snoring upstairs coming through the baby monitor downstairs.

So I can understand how someone who may have been struggling with mental illness could then interpret amplified sounds as voices.

This in no way excuses his actions, he is vile and I hope he is caught soon as I worry there may be more victims to come if not

 

[TDoc72]

I don't expect him to come out of this alive. JMO

To be perfectly honest, I don’t care. I’m using all my available sympathy for the victims, their families, the community, LE, and even his family. I do hope they find him or his remains so the manhunt can stop.

 

[MollyHarps]

When I went to be I really thought I’d wake up to him being caught - when CNN were streaming LE outside the house

I really hope he is caught soon - MOO is that he’s killed himself in the water the problem with this is that water can be hard to search and it may take weeks to find the body. Which obviously gives no peace to the people of Maine as until he is found they will not be sure if he’s still on the run.

 

[Nell91]

Following in horror from the UK. I really thought they'd have got him by now.

 

[Nell91]

When I went to be I really thought I’d wake up to him being caught - when CNN were streaming LE outside the house

I really hope he is caught soon - MOO is that he’s killed himself in the water the problem with this is that water can be hard to search and it may take weeks to find the body. Which obviously gives no peace to the people of Maine as until he is found they will not be sure if he’s still on the run.

I've thought this too, him being in the water.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Tricia Asselin.
The 53-year-old mother worked at the bowling alley part-time, but was there on a night out with her sister at the time of the incident.

At the time, she was trying to call 911 when the gunman shot and killed her, Ms Asselin's brother told CNN. Her sister survived the attack.

"She wasn't going to run," Mr Johnson said. "She was going to try and help."

Maine shooting: Father-of-four and 14-year-old boy among victims

The shooting on 25 October left 18 people dead and 13 injured. The man suspected of being behind the attack has been found dead.

news.sky.com

Bobbi Nichols, whose sister Tricia Asselin was killed in the Lewiston mass shootings, speaks with CNN's Laura Coates about what happened:

https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2023/10/27/survivor-bobbi-nichols-lewiston-maine-mass-shooting-lcl-vpx.cnn

Bobbi-Lynn Nichols accompanied her younger sister, Asselin, to Just-In-Time Recreation, a bowling alley, where Asselin worked part-time. It was Asselin's day off, but she asked her sister to join her to bowl.

While they were bowling, they heard a “loud pop," recalls Nichols, who says she didn't realize it was a gunshot until she heard the second shot.

Maine Woman Says Sister Was Calling 911 as She Was Fatally Shot in Bowling Alley: 'She's a Hero'

Tricia Asselin, 53, who was killed in Wednesday's mass shootings in Lewiston, Maine, was remembered for her generosity and kindness.

people.com

 

[steeltowngirl]

A teen is among the fatalities. Sadly, I suspect there will be more children identified.

Bill and Aaron Young

The father and son - who was aged just 14 - were killed at the Just-In-Time Recreation bowling alley, where they had been on a night out with their bowling league. This is according to Mr Young's brother, Rob.

Before learning about their deaths, he had flown from Baltimore to Lewiston in Maine to help his sister-in-law find any information about the pair, who she had not heard from since they went to the bowling alley.

Maine shooting: Father-of-four and 14-year-old boy among victims

The shooting on 25 October left 18 people dead and 13 injured. The man suspected of being behind the attack has been found dead.

news.sky.com

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Katie Card, the wife of Robert’s brother Ryan Card, told NBC their family had alerted the police that the army reservist was experiencing an “acute” mental health episode before the shooting. According to the Portland Press Herald, Katie and Ryan Card used to live in the Bowdoin property that was searched by police on Thursday evening. Ward told NBC her brother-in-law was “picking up voices that he had never heard…He was humiliated by the things that he thought were being said.”

Maine Mass Shooting Suspect Robert Card Still At Large As Manhunt Continues

A majority of Thursday’s search was focused on a property in Bowdoin believed to be owned by Card’s relatives.

www.forbes.com

Representative Jared Golden, Democrat of Maine:
“I have opposed efforts to ban deadly weapons of war, like the assault rifle used to carry out this crime. The time has now come for me to take responsibility for this failure, which is why I now call on the United States Congress to ban assault rifles like the one used by the sick perpetrator of this mass killing in my hometown of Lewiston, Maine. For the good of my community, I will work with any colleague to get this done in the time that I have left in Congress. To the people of Lewiston, my constituents throughout the Second District, to the families who lost loved ones and to those who have been harmed, I ask for forgiveness and support, as I seek to put an end to these terrible shootings.”

Maine Shootings: Manhunt for Suspect Enters a 3rd Day as Residents Shelter in Place

Local, state and federal authorities were combing a vast, largely rural area in search of the man who fatally shot 18 people at a bowling alley and a bar in Lewiston, Maine, on Wednesday night.

www.nytimes.com

 

[musicaljoke]

Sometimes that goes along with being a self-centered injustice collector. Someone who feels superior to others, is anti social, hostile and violent doesn’t make a good employee or co worker. Everything wrong in their life is someone else’s fault, so he takes it out on others. Pig.

We don't know if that is the case here. There has been some concern that he was having mental health issues. We know so little about mental health problems and how they affect the individual. Sometimes medications given to treat mental breakdowns make the problems even worse, so even if a person is following their doctor's orders, their mental health issues may become dangerous to themselves and others.

 

[Helechawagirl]

Just doing their "due diligence" to me sounds like they didn't really think he was there, but needed to check.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1717697105467154615

300+ officers on the scene…I’m wondering if this was to make him think they had no meads but they are searching the river where his vehicle was abandoned? Lot of contradictory info. Voices he was hearing reportedly was his friends saying bad things about him. Friends told him that they didn’t say bad things. <modsnip> There’s concern he may have a hit list.

Boat landing. Reporter on abc just said that Card's car was found abandoned by a boat landing.
I didn't know that till now.

Did he take a boat, did he go into the water to drown himself?

his boat is unaccounted for

 

[Inthedetails]

An older relative of mine is having such a hard time adjusting to hearing aids and it's frustrating to everyone. The experiences posted here have been helpful to me. I always say I never know what I'll learn on WS, and in this case it's patience with someone dealing with hearing aids for the first time and who wants to ditch them. I am more understanding now. Thanks, WSers.

Back to the case, I awake for the second day surprised the perp isn't caught yet. I hope today is the day and the town will rest easier tonight.

jmo

 

[Betty P]

300+ officers on the scene…I’m wondering if this was to make him think they had no meads but they are searching the river where his vehicle was abandoned? Lot of contradictory info. Voices he was hearing reportedly was his friends saying bad things about him. Friends told him that they didn’t say bad things. <modsnip> There’s concern he may have a hit list.

his boat is unaccounted for

I think he's crazy like a fox. Dysfunctional, mean, selfish, conspiracy theory addict, but not insane. JMO

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Law enforcement clear scene in Bowdoin amid search for mass shooting suspect

Maine Department of Public Safety spokesperson Shannon Moss said they were there to execute a search warrant, but the scene was cleared at about 9 p.m.

www.newscentermaine.com

LEWISTON, Maine — As the tragic events unfold in Lewiston, the impact is being felt all across the state. There are resources for those struggling with mental health. Remember this: You are not alone.

CRISIS LINE: 1-888-568-1112
If you or someone you know is in crisis, call the crisis line to speak with a trained crisis clinician 24/7. Our Mobile Crisis Team operates 24/7 and can respond to meet the needs of wherever individuals or families are located.

INTENTIONAL WARM LINE: 1-866-771-9276
Sweeter’s 24/7 mental health peer-to-peer phone support line for adults aged 18 and older offers free mutual conversations with a trained peer specialist who has life experience with mental health recovery.

NON-EMERGENCY SWEETSER PROMISE LINE: 1-800-434-3000
Access to mental health services for non-emergencies you can reach a mental health specialist by calling the number above or emailing info@sweetser.org.

TEEN TEXT SUPPORT LINE: 207-515-8398
Available from NAMI Maine every day from 12 p.m. - 10 p.m. for youth 13 - 24 years old.

NAMI MAINE RESOURCE DATABASE: Online
Click here to see a full database of resources across the state by community.

For information on how to talk to your children about this tragedy, click here.

Maine's biggest mass shooting will require healing. Here are some mental health resources to help.

Seeing the images out of Lewiston is not easy for anyone, whether they were directly involved in the shooting or not. Here is a list of mental health resources.

www.newscentermaine.com

 

[Betty P]

BBM. Also doesn't make for a good spouse. I think he has had some pretty serious issues for a long time.

JMO

Lewiston shooting suspect a skilled marksman who struggled with mental health

Robert R. Card II, 40, recently started wearing powerful hearing aids but began hearing things like people "bashing" him, and he would “get mad” when he was told the voices were just in his head, according to his sister-in-law.

www.pressherald.com

An additional amendment to the divorce judgment in 2013 ordered “all weapons in either party’s home shall be under lock and key at all times during which they are not being used.”

Card’s criminal record in Maine shows one prior offense: A misdemeanor-level charge of operating under the influence in Topsham in 2007. He pleaded guilty, was sentenced to 48 hours in jail, and fined $500, which he paid.

While some family and friends said in interviews Thursday that Card was generally a nice man who did not exhibit concerning behavior before this past year, at least one former acquaintance said he was worried about Card and his family many years ago.

A violent drunk who owned a lot of guns. Major personality disorder. It sounds like the family had some issues. JMO he made up the part about hearing voices because he didn't want to be incarcerated for being violent towards other soldiers. It sounds like he had been in jail before.

 

[Betty P]

Maine mass murderer Robert Card is deer hunter who 'could be anywhere'

Robert Card, accused of carrying out the worst mass shooting in the United States this year, remained on the run the early hours of Friday. The FBI encircled a Card family home earlier.

www.dailymail.co.uk

FBI thinks he left behind his cell phone to throw them off. Too bad, they'll still be able to track him even with a burner phone.