Metro Detroit ME (Dr. Werner Spitz) Will Testify At Casey Trial

[donnam]

I'm not just talking about fingerprints with duct tape. The did not put in any evidence to show any residue anywhere from the duct tape.

Three or four years ago, I had a broken window on my truck that I covered with plastic and duct tape. I still have residue from that despite ice, snow, rain, WD-40, rubbing alcohol, steam, hot water, cold water, dish soap, peanut butter, etc. The tape did not always hold and had to be replaced. But the residue has survived all my attempts to remove it.

How could it HOLD to SKIN that was no longer there to hold onto anymore? It was however STILL attached to the hair. The tape was NOT originally on bone.

 

[donnam]

Here is the problem with the claim that Caylee was killed by duct tape covering her mouth and nose...the tape would have fallen off and NOT been attached to the skull. I did get to look at the autopsy and the tape was actually attached to bone with the adhesive. It would have come loose if it had of been taped to flesh.

Huh? Are you saying someone put the duct tape there AFTER she decomposed?

 

[donnam]

O/T 15 minutes from the shore :floorlaugh:

too funny! :floorlaugh:

 

[donnam]

"Could have" is not proof or evidence beyond a reasonable doubt. The fact is...there is no proof of anything other than KC lies like a rug. On June 8th Dr. Drew reported on his HLN show that he had spoken to GA's ex wife who said that GA is a prolific liar and that KC probably inherited it from him. She also alluded to something regarding inappropriateness towards kids. If you have Comcast cable you can watch it from their onDemand programming. For all any of us know GA could be involved. Just because he used to be in LE doesn't mean he couldn't do anything wrong. (Bobby Cutts Jr., Drew Peterson) Assuming LE officers never do bad things is like assuming that no priest would ever molest a child. A person's career choice doesn't make them incapable of wrong-doing.

BBM

THAT was not said on Dr. Drews show. Just the part about lying.

 

[Fluffy Puppy]

"Could have" is not proof or evidence beyond a reasonable doubt. The fact is...there is no proof of anything other than KC lies like a rug. On June 8th Dr. Drew reported on his HLN show that he had spoken to GA's ex wife who said that GA is a prolific liar and that KC probably inherited it from him. She also alluded to something regarding inappropriateness towards kids. If you have Comcast cable you can watch it from their onDemand programming. For all any of us know GA could be involved. Just because he used to be in LE doesn't mean he couldn't do anything wrong. (Bobby Cutts Jr., Drew Peterson) Assuming LE officers never do bad things is like assuming that no priest would ever molest a child. A person's career choice doesn't make them incapable of wrong-doing.

BBM

lol, as if "lying like a rug" about your missing...err.. dead child is just a minor, non-important thing. I think it is evidence.
I know some folks need an eye witness to believe in guilt. I used to be closer to that frame of thought, but now I get the concept of circumstantial evidence to get beyond reasonable doubt. Everyone's threshold is different. There is plenty of evidence for me.

 

[wbr]

Originally I believed that the tape was not stuck to any part of the skull at all, but in the autopsy report it claims that it actually WAS stuck to both the hair and the mandible. It's just not clear in the report of the exact location or how much was stuck onto the skull.

The report I have doesn't say that?

It includes the initial examination by Dr's Utz and Shultz.

 

[ZsaZsa]

Here is the problem with the claim that Caylee was killed by duct tape covering her mouth and nose...the tape would have fallen off and NOT been attached to the skull. I did get to look at the autopsy and the tape was actually attached to bone with the adhesive. It would have come loose if it had of been taped to flesh.

You need to read the post mortem report more carefully, it does not say anything of the kind. The tape was still attached to scalp hair.
http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/06/19/6440.6475.pdf

 

[ZsaZsa]

A short while ago I found and read Dr. G's autopsy report. It really wasn't entirely clear, IMO exactly how the duct tape was placed. What WAS clear, however, was the fact that ZERO drugs (meaning NO chloroform whatsoever) was found in the toxicology report. That makes all chloroform tie ins completely irrelevant to the case. Caylee was NOT knocked out with chloroform according to the autopsy.

Another error that you are stating as fact. Chloroform was not found, because there were no soft tissues to examine and test. For it to show up in bones it apparently has to be long term use. We know that ICA researched how to make it it online in March, and Caylee died on June 16th so that is hardly long enough for it to be absorbed into bone. We also know her the trunk of her car was full of it. The trunk where the decomposing body of Caylee was stored.
Dr Garavaglia's Autopsy report could not have been clearer to me, she describes the placement in detail and gives her professional opinion that it was placed pre-decomposition.

 

[ZsaZsa]

But pretty much everyone who thinks KC is guilty of murder is accusing her of "Zanny the Nanny" being drugs and the trunk. NO DRUGS whatsoever showed up in the toxicology report...not prescription drugs, not illegal drugs, not manufactured drugs, not over the counter drugs...nothing. That blows the claim that KC is guilty of abuse right out of the water. There were also NO signs of any physical abuse. On top of that, the only person who can be proven to have possession of the duct tape is GA, where it is shown next to him in a photograph where he was using it. GA had keys to the car KC normally used and there is a lot of evidence that shows KC was not using the car for a substantial period of time while Caylee was missing. There are more holes in the state's case than there is in swiss cheese.

The only reason to apply 3 layers of duct tape over a child's nose and mouth is to asphyxiate her. That is abuse that results in murder.

 

[TigerBalm]

"Could have" is not proof or evidence beyond a reasonable doubt. The fact is...there is no proof of anything other than KC lies like a rug. On June 8th Dr. Drew reported on his HLN show that he had spoken to GA's ex wife who said that GA is a prolific liar and that KC probably inherited it from him. She also alluded to something regarding inappropriateness towards kids. If you have Comcast cable you can watch it from their onDemand programming. For all any of us know GA could be involved. Just because he used to be in LE doesn't mean he couldn't do anything wrong. (Bobby Cutts Jr., Drew Peterson) Assuming LE officers never do bad things is like assuming that no priest would ever molest a child. A person's career choice doesn't make them incapable of wrong-doing.

That is NOT what was said at all, I don't understand why this keeps being posted on different threads on this forum.


DR. DREW
Computer Forensics Front and Center in Casey Anthony Trial
Aired June 8, 2011 - 21:00 * ET

PINSKY: All right. Let`s go to bizarre. Let`s go to bizarre and let`s talk about the sexual abuse issues.

I actually have spoken to George Anthony`s ex-wife. And do you know there`s an ex-wife? And she spoke to me this afternoon and she gave me permission to talk about the conversation.

And what she felt, she felt George was -- and this is her words -- that George himself has a lying problem, and she actually believes Casey did something, but that there`s some sort of genetic disturbance that George has that went through to Casey that made her sociopathic and a liar. That doesn`t make him a sexual abuser.

http://www.cnnstudentnews.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1106/08/ddhln.01.html

 

[ZsaZsa]

That is NOT what was said at all, I don't understand why this keeps being posted on different threads on this forum.


DR. DREW
Computer Forensics Front and Center in Casey Anthony Trial
Aired June 8, 2011 - 21:00 * ET

PINSKY: All right. Let`s go to bizarre. Let`s go to bizarre and let`s talk about the sexual abuse issues.

I actually have spoken to George Anthony`s ex-wife. And do you know there`s an ex-wife? And she spoke to me this afternoon and she gave me permission to talk about the conversation.

And what she felt, she felt George was -- and this is her words -- that George himself has a lying problem, and she actually believes Casey did something, but that there`s some sort of genetic disturbance that George has that went through to Casey that made her sociopathic and a liar. That doesn`t make him a sexual abuser.

http://www.cnnstudentnews.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1106/08/ddhln.01.html

Thankyou for researching that. IIRC later in the same show he commented again about the ex wife but then qualified her statements by saying it's probably not a good idea to ask an ex about their previous spouse, they will say they lied, that happens when people break up. At one time she thought he was Mr Wonderful, so her judgment may be up for some criticism too... :innocent:

 

[Baznme]

"Could have" is not proof or evidence beyond a reasonable doubt. The fact is...there is no proof of anything other than KC lies like a rug. On June 8th Dr. Drew reported on his HLN show that he had spoken to GA's ex wife who said that GA is a prolific liar and that KC probably inherited it from him. She also alluded to something regarding inappropriateness towards kids. If you have Comcast cable you can watch it from their onDemand programming. For all any of us know GA could be involved. Just because he used to be in LE doesn't mean he couldn't do anything wrong. (Bobby Cutts Jr., Drew Peterson) Assuming LE officers never do bad things is like assuming that no priest would ever molest a child. A person's career choice doesn't make them incapable of wrong-doing.

I find your post interesting that you would be open-minded to what GA's ex-wife has to offer regarding GA yet, you are not when it comes to what Dr. G's findings were for Caylee's autopsy. Not criticism, just wondering why you would be willing to entertain what an X has to say about their previous spouse as opposed to the physical findings of a medical examiner.

 

[Baznme]

But pretty much everyone who thinks KC is guilty of murder is accusing her of "Zanny the Nanny" being drugs and the trunk. NO DRUGS whatsoever showed up in the toxicology report...not prescription drugs, not illegal drugs, not manufactured drugs, not over the counter drugs...nothing. That blows the claim that KC is guilty of abuse right out of the water. There were also NO signs of any physical abuse. On top of that, the only person who can be proven to have possession of the duct tape is GA, where it is shown next to him in a photograph where he was using it. GA had keys to the car KC normally used and there is a lot of evidence that shows KC was not using the car for a substantial period of time while Caylee was missing. There are more holes in the state's case than there is in swiss cheese.

I don't know Chicklet. Last time I heard "chloroform" was a chemical substance that could have been used as a drug.

Yep, you're right, GA owned the duct tape but Casey was a resident in that house. She must have had possession of the tape at some point as I hardly think if GA knew that tape was on his grandaughter's face, he would have taken it to the Command Center. Common sense tells me that. As far as KC not using the car for a substantial period of time we know the last time Caylee was seen was on the 16th. She had stopped at the house somewhere in between that 31 day timeframe and he asked for his gas cans. Do you really believe if he knew what had been in that trunk he would have let her drive that car away?

You claim there are more holes in the state's case than there is in swiss cheese. Tell me, what does the defense have that can top it? Anything?

 

[TorisMom003]

But pretty much everyone who thinks KC is guilty of murder is accusing her of "Zanny the Nanny" being drugs and the trunk. NO DRUGS whatsoever showed up in the toxicology report...not prescription drugs, not illegal drugs, not manufactured drugs, not over the counter drugs...nothing. That blows the claim that KC is guilty of abuse right out of the water. There were also NO signs of any physical abuse. On top of that, the only person who can be proven to have possession of the duct tape is GA, where it is shown next to him in a photograph where he was using it. GA had keys to the car KC normally used and there is a lot of evidence that shows KC was not using the car for a substantial period of time while Caylee was missing. There are more holes in the state's case than there is in swiss cheese.

I believe that Casey is guilty of murder. I do not believe that Casey used any drugs on Caylee or placed her in the trunk before Caylee's death. Abuse can come in many forms, not all of them physical. I have seen videos that apparently Casey made where she refused to speak to Caylee while recording her. I have seen at least one photo of Caylee obviously crying and reaching her arms out to the person taking the photo. Caylee died. Caylee did not have any type of medical condition that would have taken her life at a young age. If there had been any such medical condition at least one, if not all, of the Anthony's would have screamed that from the rooftops. Caylee was dumped into the woods like trash in 3 bags. Caylee had not one (although one is certainly plenty IMO to show child abuse and premeditation) but three pieces of duct tape on her face. If George had anything to do with Caylee's death, is it reasonable to assume that he would leave the damning duct tape out in plain sight when being videotaped by the media? George is not the only family member that had access to the duct tape, Cindy, Casey and Lee also did. George may have had a spare key to the car, however, if I remember the testimony correctly the spare key was left in the house where anyone of the family members could have used it. I'd like to know what extended period of time that Casey did not have the car. If referring to the time it was at Amscott and the towyard, then NONE of them had access to the car at that time. We know that Casey is the one that dropped off the car at Amscott thanks to her timely call to Tony L to come and pick her up there. I believe that the State has done a great job at showing what really happened to Caylee. Just going by what the Defense has said so far (opening statement) they have done nothing but madewild accusations that are so far fetched that most people would not believe them if they were the plot line for a movie or a book.

MOO

 

[Bobbisangel]

A witnesses behavior in front of the jury is what counts in a court case, though. Her behavior was really inappropriate.

I watched Dr. G and I don't remember her doing anything inappropriate when she left the witness stand. What did you see?

 

[Bobbisangel]

IIRC back in the beginning, you used to see him all over the news shows spouting off his opinion to anyone who would listen. Never once did I see Dr. G do this. Just sayin.

For quite a while Dr. S wasn't seen anywhere. He got himself in trouble with the law. I can't remember what he did but he was in big trouble. Never did hear how it turned out.

 

[wandering]

A witnesses behavior in front of the jury is what counts in a court case, though. Her behavior was really inappropriate.

I disagree. I think she was CONFIDENT in her conclusions. Whenever an intelligent woman shows confidence, people get upset, right?

 

[Bobbisangel]

"Could have" is not proof or evidence beyond a reasonable doubt. The fact is...there is no proof of anything other than KC lies like a rug. On June 8th Dr. Drew reported on his HLN show that he had spoken to GA's ex wife who said that GA is a prolific liar and that KC probably inherited it from him. She also alluded to something regarding inappropriateness towards kids. If you have Comcast cable you can watch it from their onDemand programming. For all any of us know GA could be involved. Just because he used to be in LE doesn't mean he couldn't do anything wrong. (Bobby Cutts Jr., Drew Peterson) Assuming LE officers never do bad things is like assuming that no priest would ever molest a child. A person's career choice doesn't make them incapable of wrong-doing.

I don't recall her saying anything about kids. She also said that George is a nice person. She really wasn't neg towards him. I don't believe for a minute that George was involved in Caylee's death in any way or getting rid of her after her death for that matter. I believe that Casey will be found guilty as she should be. She deserves to spend the rest of her life in prison. The tape of that little girl singing "You Are My Sunshine" is just heartbreaking...such a sweet little girl. Just because her mother wanted to go out and bar hop and sleep around poor little Caylee shouldn't have had to pay for it.

 

[wandering]

A short while ago I found and read Dr. G's autopsy report. It really wasn't entirely clear, IMO exactly how the duct tape was placed. What WAS clear, however, was the fact that ZERO drugs (meaning NO chloroform whatsoever) was found in the toxicology report. That makes all chloroform tie ins completely irrelevant to the case. Caylee was NOT knocked out with chloroform according to the autopsy.

I recall someone testified that chloroform dissipates quickly. Did you miss that?

 

[mitzi]

The reporter for this last night was reporting from Metro Airport...wasnt Spitz leaving last night for FL.? If he did the DT couldve started their case today.

I'll have to go back and sleuth it...it would show more dishonesty on the DT's part, if that wasnt already in question.

Ahhh, but the DT had to have time today to have a big pow-wow with Dr. Spitz, to go over his testimony. Can't have the Dr. coming in not knowing about the newly revealed, "evil threesome" of GA, Kronk and newest member Vasco. *big eyeroll here*