Mexico Mexico - David Hartley, 30, Lake Falcon, 30 Sept 2010 #2

[hollyblue]

Just friendly advice -I think some posters need to be careful how they quote other posters as it is confusing -some of the quotes appear to be written by someone else because it has text within it so it's difficult to see who wrote what originally. There is a way to quote just sections of texts and then write below.

Agree, I should have used the wrap quote button...sorry about that.

May I also suggest that posters click the quote button on the lower right to reply to the post they are answering. Just Replying to Post is generally just posting to the thread with info and not addressing a posted comment. It can make it difficult in deciphering who is answering to what. HTH

 

[hollyblue]

How though? Shot? Would they have tested her hands for gun residue? Any motive? Affairs, past bad acts on her part?

That's just it, beside just "believing her story", we haven't heard of any investigation of any other scenario that could have taken place....just that he was murder by "pirates". No proof of that either, is there?

Them being pulled over is proof of them being pulled over with jet skis....and the video, AFAIK, did not have a time stamp. Nor have we any proof of the BP seeing them at Subway...do we? That would just prove they were there....yet no video or statements from these particular BP?

So we have no proof of ANY crime being committed...murder, scam, etc. Just sayin' all we do have at this point is ONE HELLO OF A STORY.

JMO

 

[IzzyBlanche]

From the article posted by HollyBlue, BBM:

"Hartley said she and her husband were jet skiing Sept. 30 when Mexican drug cartel pirates shot David in the back of the head.

The pirates then turned to Tiffany Hartley.

'It was kind of one of those looks of, "What do we do with her?"' Hartley said."

Riiiiiiight. She can't remember a thing about what they looked like because she was staring down the barrel of a gun, yet she was looking at them closely enough to read what their looks meant.

Oh and what about her earlier insistence that they needed to look for him on land?

 

[jjenny]

From the article posted by HollyBlue, BBM:

"Hartley said she and her husband were jet skiing Sept. 30 when Mexican drug cartel pirates shot David in the back of the head.

The pirates then turned to Tiffany Hartley.

'It was kind of one of those looks of, "What do we do with her?"' Hartley said."

Riiiiiiight. She can't remember a thing about what they looked like because she was staring down the barrel of a gun, yet she was looking at them closely enough to read what their looks meant.

Oh and what about her earlier insistence that they needed to look for him on land?

It's not that easy to ID people, especially after some time has passed, I've been shown a line up and after picking someone from this line up I asked the detective if that was the right choice-and I certainly wasn't sure if that was the right choice, and another witness who was with me at the time the crime took place did even worse trying to ID the same person so that line up went nowhere. Even if I were able to see the person's expression at the time does not mean I could ID that person some time later. And I saw that person really up close so it would be even harder to ID someone from some distance on a different boat.

 

[Tuffy]

It's not that easy to ID people, especially after some time has passed, I've been shown a line up and after picking someone from this line up I asked the detective if that was the right choice-and I certainly wasn't sure if that was the right choice, and another witness who was with me at the time the crime took place did even worse trying to ID the same person so that line up went nowhere. Even if I were able to see the person's expression at the time does not mean I could ID that person some time later. And I saw that person really up close so it would be even harder to ID someone from some distance on a different boat.

It's not that Tiffany is having trouble picking someone out of a line up, it's that she is unable to give ANY description, or even how many people were involved. No mention of clothing worn, hats, anything. She hasn't mentioned a description of any of the boats involved either. It's kind of strange that not one detail about the assailants or their vehicles stands out to her.

 

[Tuffy]

How though? Shot? Would they have tested her hands for gun residue? Any motive? Affairs, past bad acts on her part?

Right now, my guess is that she shot him. I don't know that they've really done any investigation of Tiffany, and don't think they've tested her hands for gunshot residue.

I'm not sure what her motive for killing him would be though. We may never know. IMO

 

[Mrs G Norris]

So did they own a gun, had she ever taken shooting lessons, what would have provoked this, was he having an affair, was she?

 

[jjenny]

It's not that Tiffany is having trouble picking someone out of a line up, it's that she is unable to give ANY description, or even how many people were involved. No mention of clothing worn, hats, anything. She hasn't mentioned a description of any of the boats involved either. It's kind of strange that not one detail about the assailants or their vehicles stands out to her.

Considering authorities say they believe her, all these rumors and innuendo aren't going to do anyone any good.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Tuffy, what would make you say you don't think they tested her hands?
I've not seen it reported either way.
We don't know what they did or did not do.

They could have tested her hands. We just don't know.

We don't know a lot of things that LE does. Just like any other case I've followed.

She is not a suspect or even a POI as of now.
There must be a reason for that. IMO

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Considering authorities say they believe her, all these rumors and innuendo aren't going to do anyone any good.

I agree! All they do is keep the falme going.
Until LE gives us reasons to doubt her, I will believe her.

If it comes out later she did something, I will be shocked, but will want justice for David.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

^ Look I just have to agree with you jjenny and Kimberlyd125.... if this girl had a history I could understand, but she doesn't or the media would have been all over it, and so would we. Yes her story sounds incredible, but there were other incidents on that lake that were v similar. Without further reason to suspect her, and without a realistic motive and scenario, this is just gossip.

I was disappointed to see Pat Brown, and Dr Lillian Glass continue with their line of suspicion, but not surprised I guess, when we, in the chat room on Pat's radio show last week, started to question her suspicions she wavered and backed down, but had reverted to suspicion by the end of the show. I don't think there's anything to back up the suspicions, I also think LE looked into the couple's past and found absolutely nothing.

 

[darnudes]

So did they own a gun, had she ever taken shooting lessons, what would have provoked this, was he having an affair, was she?

Apparently David did own a gun, yes.

 

[CathyinTexas]

^ Look I just have to agree with you jjenny and Kimberlyd125.... if this girl had a history I could understand, but she doesn't or the media would have been all over it, and so would we. Yes her story sounds incredible, but there were other incidents on that lake that were v similar. Without further reason to suspect her, and without a realistic motive and scenario, this is just gossip.

I was disappointed to see Pat Brown, and Dr Lillian Glass continue with their line of suspicion, but not surprised I guess, when we, in the chat room on Pat's radio show last week, started to question her suspicions she wavered and backed down, but had reverted to suspicion by the end of the show. I don't think there's anything to back up the suspicions, I also think LE looked into the couple's past and found absolutely nothing.

It surprises me that so many people put so much credence in Lillian Glass and Pat Brown. Their opinion is not any more important than anyone else's opinion, imo.

 

[jjenny]

It surprises me that so many people put so much credence in Lillian Glass and Pat Brown. Their opinion is not any more important than anyone else's opinion, imo.

Exactly.
Tiffany is a very small lady, I don't think there is any way she herself could hide the body of a large man.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Considering authorities say they believe her, all these rumors and innuendo aren't going to do anyone any good.

As far as I know, Sheriff Sigi said early on that he believed her.

That's it. One authority. Who, by the way, eerily predicted the incident almost exactly back in May:

"'It makes me nervous that these things are happening. It irritates me because we can try and do more if the federal government would provide more funding,' said Gonzalez. "I dread having to even think of having a fisherman resist, shot in the head, and we can't even go retrieve the body.'"

Source: http://abcnews.go.com/International...terrorize-texas-lake/story?id=10737629&page=3

How sweet for him, and his political agenda, that this happened just as he said it would. Of course he would say he believed her. Maybe he does, and maybe he doesn't, but he would look pretty foolish saying he didn't believe something that happened exactly as he predicted.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

It surprises me that so many people put so much credence in Lillian Glass and Pat Brown. Their opinion is not any more important than anyone else's opinion, imo.

Agree, and both have been factually incorrect on a number of occasions when stating these opinions.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

I have a question.

If fishermen on the lake are free to cross over to the Mexican side of the lake in their boats, why can't law enforcement do the same?

Does anyone know?

 

[IzzyBlanche]

It's not that easy to ID people, especially after some time has passed, I've been shown a line up and after picking someone from this line up I asked the detective if that was the right choice-and I certainly wasn't sure if that was the right choice, and another witness who was with me at the time the crime took place did even worse trying to ID the same person so that line up went nowhere. Even if I were able to see the person's expression at the time does not mean I could ID that person some time later. And I saw that person really up close so it would be even harder to ID someone from some distance on a different boat.

That isn't my point.

My point is, first she said she wasn't really looking at the men because all she could focus on was the barrel of the gun pointed at her.

Now she says the men looked at each other like "what do we do with her?" To make that interpretation, she had to be looking at their faces, contrary to what she said earlier about looking only at the gun.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

I don't know that they ACTUALLY POINTED THE GUN AT HER HEAD. I believe it was more metaphoric.

[snipped for space]

I know Fran is no longer posting on this case, but for anyone else wondering about this point, here are Tiffany's exact words from today's article:

"At one point they were 12 feet away 'and had a gun pointed at my head,' she said."

Also from the article:

"She was questioned for 16 hours by Mexican authorities. 'Here they can't have access to me.'"

What a weird thing to say, IMO. Why wouldn't she want Mexican authorities to have access to her, why wouldn't she want to cooperate them in every way possible to get David back?


Read more: Widow wants U.S. to fight violence of Mexican drug cartels - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_16418855#ixzz13JWt2PW0

 

[monkeypants]

can someone find even ONE quote from her begging for justice for david???

I will never understand how people cant see the inconsistencies in her "story" as it changes from show to show.....first he is shot in the front of the head..then the back of the head....then the neck...then they were "men" that did it but it changed to "someone". The list of inconsistencies is spectacular.


Or how about that sweet sentiment....how she is going to wear his wedding ring forever...or until she decides to not wear it anymore---doesnt that strike anyone odd since she said it after her husband was murdered just days before in front of her eyes?

Or how less then a week after he was murdered she was talking about packing up and deciding which memories to keep? As she felt it was time to get on with her life?? Who in the world could do that after being married to "the love of her life" for over 8 years and he is dead just days prior???

She is emotionless and cold.

She is Casey Anthony's doppleganger if you ask me....reality creaters to cover their crimes.

Maybe I am just a sucker but I can't imagine not having to be physically held up if this happened to my husband and myself. I would never be able to get dressed up and put on my makeup, do my hair and sit ram rod still and tell my "story" with not a tear and not demanding that the murderers be brought to justice immediately.

Sorry, but something smells rotten here and by her own facebook pages she discusses money problems, out of control spending and unemployment.....hmmmmmm wonder what the motive was??