Mexico Mexico - Jenny Chen, 26, Oaxaca, 11 April 2016 #2

[Lilibet]

BOTH trucks disabled their GPS trackers for 8 hours? Hmmmmmmm

JR says the 8 hours were "deleted from the system" so it's possible it was done by Kugar somehow in their main office to protect their employees. But I think it's also possible (and more likely) that the drivers disabled the system in their trucks as described above in the linked article. Either way, JR has no information. It sounds as if he can't get access to the GPS info directly from Qualcomm unless Corona or the police give permission. If I were JR, I'd go as high up as possible in Qualcomm for answers or to apply pressure.

Their headquarters are in San Diego. They have offices all over the world. I wouldn't bother with the one(s) in Mexico, personally.
https://www.qualcomm.com/contact

 

[inmyhumbleopinion]

VERY IMPORTANT POST by JR, listing what they know, what has and hasn't been done. He ends his post by saying he is not a conspiracy theorist, but he feels he is getting the runaround from all invoved parties. He's right! He asks people to share as "WE NEED MEDIA ATTENTION." His list is more than I have time to summarize per TOS, so I'm going to go ahead and quote it and ask forgiveness. I've bolded a couple of things that I think are both crucial and new information showing guilt on the part of the drivers. Lots for us to talk about here. I really, really feel for JR.

I am still working on the formal press release, but here are the highlights:
- The name of the Corona truck contracted company is KUGAR
http://www.kugar.com.mx/
- We have two drivers who were driving in the time an area that Jenny disappeared. They said they were in a convoy, and one claims he was driving with his family
- They have both initially refused polygraph tests
- The GPS data that Kugar supplied shows tracking information every 5 minutes EXCEPT for the day that Jenny Chen went missing (8 hours of data was deleted from the system)
- The truck that the is most likely used to pick up Jenny was sold (when my investigator tried to go to inspect)
-We can only get the true GPS data from the the actual GPS company, and Corona nor the police have given us access.
- The police promised to attempt to polygraph the drivers 20 days ago. Nothing has happened.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/helpfindjenny/permalink/676114969230217/

The six-month "anniversary" of Jenny's disappearance is coming up in less than three weeks. If I were JR, I would get the press release finished up ASAP, upload it to Good Drive, Dropbox, etc. and tweet link to it to every single local (e.g., The Seattle Times, which actually ran a story about Jenny's disappearance back in May; OT: Yesterday, the Times posted an article on the Lori Ruff case, whose identity has finally been confirmed) and national news outlet (CBS, Fox News, etc.) , as well as investigative show/channel (e.g., Dateline, Discovery ID, or even Dr. Phil).

One problem I keep having is that virtually all information pertaining to this case has been coming from JR; we are expected, I feel, to treat everything that comes from him as a fact. My hope is that a professional journalist or a reporter would pick up the story, and at least try to get some sort of statement from the Mexican authorities, Jenny's family in China (I am sorry, but it is simply mind-boggling to me that they and JR -to my knowledge- are still refusing to work with each other after all this time ... ), Kugar, or even someone from JR's "team," which would give the much needed credence to JR, IMO.

I do not necessary believe that JR is guilty of any wrongdoing in Jenny's disappearance. However, he really isn't the most effective when it comes to communicating with others -at least online anyway-, and -again, from my perspective- given the certain poor choices he has made in the past, he certainly could use some help in the credibility and PR departments.

 

[Satchie]

I've been struck by the difference between this case and one of a missing adventurous young Japanese woman in Vancouver. In that case "several officers" have been assigned to her case, LE have contacted her family in Japan to formally report her missing, the Japanese media have been reporting on the case and interviewed her boyfriend who reported her missing, Canadian media have reported on the official statements from police, etc.

In Mexico, in contrast, LE are just not going to take it on, I think they've just said "not our problem." I think it would be incredibly challenging and frustrating to be in that situation, and don't fault JR, he's not a professional missing person investigator, or media spokesperson, he doesn't get taxpayer's dollars to pay for his time and other staff.

 

[Lilibet]

Last night I tried to find out about the company that owns Kugar...Grupo Garcia Kuri...but everything was in Spanish. On the HFJ page there is a comment today by GG about the Garcia Kuri family, describing how powerful and well-connected they are. GG also states that Kugar has family members working for Grupo Modelo (Corona). This is all rumor on WS, but I suspect it is accurate and describes the tangled web that Jenny fell into and JR can't untangle. JMO

https://www.facebook.com/groups/hel...d=676417712533276&comment_tracking={"tn":"R"}

As I've said before, I think it's strange that JR's attorney with friends in high places has not been able to exert enough influence to cut through the corruption, but maybe he's gone as far with his connections as he can go. It could be that these people are political opponents and wouldn't cooperate with him. Who knows?

JR clearly was in over his head in the PR department from the beginning, as most of us noticed. And he made some big mistakes and offended people who could help. But even if he had done everything "right" I do wonder if interest in this case would have taken off, even with expert PR. From the comments on the initial articles it was pretty clear that the general public thought Jenny had put herself in a dangerous position because of her risk-taking. She was not viewed as a victim. It's pretty hard for even the best PR person to overcome that perception and get many people to care enough to follow the story, contribute money and exert pressure on Jenny's behalf. Add in a corrupt system (LE, government and corporate) in Mexico and you have an almost impenetrable barrier to finding Jenny.

I hope I'm just being pessimistic, and that JR and/or the Chinese government can find someone to cut through the web of lies and self-serving protection going on in Mexico. No one should just disappear and never be found, but of course, it happens all the time in the U.S. too, even without the systemic corruption present in Mexico. Poor Jenny. Poor JR. Poor family of Jenny. It's just very sad.

 

[webant]

JR says the 8 hours were "deleted from the system" so it's possible it was done by Kugar somehow in their main office to protect their employees. But I think it's also possible (and more likely) that the drivers disabled the system in their trucks as described above in the linked article. Either way, JR has no information. It sounds as if he can't get access to the GPS info directly from Qualcomm unless Corona or the police give permission. If I were JR, I'd go as high up as possible in Qualcomm for answers or to apply pressure.

Their headquarters are in San Diego. They have offices all over the world. I wouldn't bother with the one(s) in Mexico, personally.
https://www.qualcomm.com/contact

Agreed; with the Qualcomm headquarters being in the US, this might be the best place to try first, to retrieve the missing GPS data. Hopefully that data is retrievable (and the GPS tracking was not disabled in the truck). If retrievable, if necessary, perhaps a subpoena could be used.

 

[rosesfromangels]

BOTH trucks disabled their GPS trackers for 8 hours? Hmmmmmmm

Yes Hmmmmm indeed. Shady, very shady....

 

[arranrigney]

Do we have a reason why the press release is taking so long?

I was asked to write one by a client (who isn't even paying me!) on Sunday and it was written, checked, and with the press by Wednesday this week. I did it that fast and I did it for free... if they've got the info from JR, what's the hold up?

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[Lilibet]

Do we have a reason why the press release is taking so long?

I was asked to write one by a client (who isn't even paying me!) on Sunday and it was written, checked, and with the press by Wednesday this week. I did it that fast and I did it for free... if they've got the info from JR, what's the hold up?

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Good question. JR hasn't said. The purpose of the press release was to highlight suspicious activities by those who might be protecting the interests of the truck drivers. Since it appears that the suspicious activity involves powerful corporations and even involves LE who have made many promises not kept, I wonder if the PR professional is backing off. I assume that person is in Mexico. It's like everywhere JR turns he hits a brick wall. I'm glad he just went ahead and posted some information yesterday on FB. But he really needs to get some major publicity if he has any hope of getting answers. His group has 1054 members and his post was only shared 16 times.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/helpfindjenny/permalink/666740360167678/

 

[GigTu]

So it seems to me that the corrupt Mexican government and police have met my expectations. I do not think we will ever find Jenny with help from them.

The only motivator to expose the truck company would be a HUGE move on the part of the Chinese government. I sincerely doubt they'll do anything for just one girl, especially one who was in essence defecting.

The only recourse JR has now is to follow the sale trail of the truck and hope dogs could sniff it out and find something. By now though, that is unlikely.

IMO this case will be unsolved for eternity. I'm sorry to Jenny, and JR. It's very sad.

 

[slowpoke]

I'm still following along, but I am at a loss for what to add or suggest after reading the bleak update. I hope that JR has many friends in real life and not just on his HFJ page who are supporting him through this unending nightmare. This is just too much for anyone to bear emotionally.

Sadly, Jenny's case has certainly soured any notion I may have had of seeing more of Mexico some day.

O/T question: Anyone know how to start a thread on WS? Googling for info in regards to being missing in Mexico, I happened upon a news article of a man missing from Rosarito, Baja California, Mexico since around June 13, 2016. He lived in La Mesa, CA prior to moving to Rosarito a couple of years ago. Looks like the family is not getting answers from the Mexican authorities (no surprise to us!), either, and have hired a PI.
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/loc...co-Family-Searches-for-Answers-389828211.html
I didn't see a thread on him. Is there? Seeing how little news and information I see on the internet about this man's disappearance give me renewed appreciation for all that JR has accomplished thus far.

 

[tarabull]

Media Email Links

 

[tarabull]

Has your case been entered into NAMUS??

 

[Lilibet]

Has your case been entered into NAMUS??

Good thought about NAMUS. If someone disappears in a foreign country can they still be listed?

 

[tarabull]

Seems so....

:blushing:

Here's Jenny: https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/34598/3/

ETA: Maybe circumstances could be updated???

PS: I searched "mexico" got a list of 637...

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/search

 

[Lilibet]

I'm still following along, but I am at a loss for what to add or suggest after reading the bleak update. I hope that JR has many friends in real life and not just on his HFJ page who are supporting him through this unending nightmare. This is just too much for anyone to bear emotionally.

Sadly, Jenny's case has certainly soured any notion I may have had of seeing more of Mexico some day.

O/T question: Anyone know how to start a thread on WS? Googling for info in regards to being missing in Mexico, I happened upon a news article of a man missing from Rosarito, Baja California, Mexico since around June 13, 2016. He lived in La Mesa, CA prior to moving to Rosarito a couple of years ago. Looks like the family is not getting answers from the Mexican authorities (no surprise to us!), either, and have hired a PI.
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/loc...co-Family-Searches-for-Answers-389828211.html
I didn't see a thread on him. Is there? Seeing how little news and information I see on the internet about this man's disappearance give me renewed appreciation for all that JR has accomplished thus far.

What a sad case! I searched and didn't find a thread. Here's how to start a thread. I'll let you do it so you'll know how for future reference. The first time is the most nerve wracking. :scared:

Go to the Forum and scroll down to Missing Persons Discussion. Click on it.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?60-Missing-Persons-Discussion

Just above the title, to the left you will see a Post New Thread button. Click on that to start the thread.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/newthread.php?do=newthread&f=60

I find it helpful to look at the titles of other threads to see how they are written. For example, here is another missing person in Mexico. Just follow that pattern and put Rosarito as the place.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?286245-Mexico-Juana-Flores-44-Monterrey-March-2015

It helps to post a photo if you can find one. Write a brief description of the situation, rather than only posting a link to MSM. But be sure to post all the links you can find.

Click on Submit New Thread and you're all done. Easy! Post the link here when you're done so we can follow it.

ETA: The page has a recent photo.

 

[Satchie]

Sadly, Jenny's case has certainly soured any notion I may have had of seeing more of Mexico some day.

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/loc...co-Family-Searches-for-Answers-389828211.html

I think Mexico is in many ways a wonderful country, but it is different, which is a big part of it's appeal to people who visit off the beaten track or live there. To me, it's more the way the developed world used to be 100 years ago. In those days, police wouldn't launch an investigation if a person went missing, though they would do a basic investigation if they found a body or there were eye witnesses to a crime, and they would arrest an obvious perp. People in a community all knew and looked out for each other, and strangers were viewed as being truly strange unless they came with a letter of introduction from someone known. Women would never allow themselves to be alone with a man or men who were not family, even those they knew well.

I think people are safe in Mexico on the tourist trail, but off that they need to use caution and street smarts, have a community of expats who look out for each other, and understand the risk if they keep anything valuable in their home, or a drive an expensive car, etc.

 

[Lilibet]

Seems so....

:blushing:

Here's Jenny: https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/34598/3/

ETA: Maybe circumstances could be updated???

PS: I searched "mexico" got a list of 637...

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/search

Thanks for the info! It looks as if this was done through Seattle PD, which was smart. They really should put info and a photo of the Corona truck in the Vehicles section. The airline and bus are irrelevant. And they need to submit DNA ASAP, so identification will not be delayed if she is found.

 

[slowpoke]

Seems so....

:blushing:

Here's Jenny: https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/34598/3/

ETA: Maybe circumstances could be updated???

PS: I searched "mexico" got a list of 637...

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/search

Thanks for posting the NAMUS link for Jenny, Tarabull! Something I found interesting there was that there was a clothing description of "Black Yoga tights, green jacket". I don't recall hearing that before. It sparked a memory that I had read something Jenny wrote in her weibo about wearing yoga pants in Mexico. Found it:

2016年2月25日 9:07
I definitely won't bring yoga pants with me to Mexico after talking to a Mexican woman. She said hiking pants and jeans are better. Because in Mexico people are still relatively conservative. You don't want to show off your butt around in public.
http://tw.weibo.com/jennycqd/3946332467478171

So, who gave the description of what she was wearing? A curious thing...

 

[Lilibet]

Thanks for posting the NAMUS link for Jenny, Tarabull! Something I found interesting there was that there was a clothing description of "Black Yoga tights, green jacket". I don't recall hearing that before. It sparked a memory that I had read something Jenny wrote in her weibo about wearing yoga pants in Mexico. Found it:

2016年2月25日 9:07
I definitely won't bring yoga pants with me to Mexico after talking to a Mexican woman. She said hiking pants and jeans are better. Because in Mexico people are still relatively conservative. You don't want to show off your butt around in public.
http://tw.weibo.com/jennycqd/3946332467478171

So, who gave the description of what she was wearing? A curious thing...

Good find! I wish we still had photos from her FB page. Maybe she did wear the yoga pants after all, or something similar.

 

[Satchie]

Good find! I wish we still had photos from her FB page. Maybe she did wear the yoga pants after all, or something similar.

There was a photo on one of the missing posters of her in yoga pants, it sure looks like a location in Mexico: hole in the sidewalk, phone number painted on a bright blue wall, poorly cemented ramp to sidewalk, poster on telephone pole.

It's on the first post in thread 1 http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?305943-Mexico-Jenny-Chen-26-Oaxaca-11-April-2016-1