MI - 13-year old girl stabs 7-year old sister to death - September 28, 2024

[BeginnerSleuther]

I’ll wait for additional information, but having worked with young people who eventually grew into adults diagnosed with antisocial personality disorder, I’ll also say that I firmly believe regardless of the age requirement for diagnosis, it is something I think is often apparent from a very young age. This child may have a very serious mental health need that has gone unmet simply due to problems with how we stigmatize conditions to such an extent that we withhold diagnoses.

While antisocial personality disorder is diagnosed only in adulthood, the childhood equivalent does exist. It's called conduct disorder and it's diagnosed in kids.

It really has nothing to do with withholding diagnoses, IMO. It has a lot more to do with lack of treatment options for those with conduct disorder or antisocial personality disorder. It's nature versus nurture and sometimes, brains don't work the way they should. I say often that criminal behavior is sometimes just criminal behavior. We can label it, but labeling does nothing except perpetuate the stigma and confuse the public about why more isn't being done. More isn't being done because there is very little we can do in someone with these disorders.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Yes, in this case, as in the Carly Gregg case, you have to wish that they hadn’t had access to these weapons. At least if this 13 year old had beat up her little sister, the outcome would be liveable, unlike what actually happened.

It is also possible to beat someone to death. I agree that weapons are a major problem, but given the amount of rage, the outcome could have been just as severe without a knife. MOO

 

[SMK777]

It is also possible to beat someone to death. I agree that weapons are a major problem, but given the amount of rage, the outcome could have been just as severe without a knife. MOO

True. She might have strangled her also.
However, she did choose to use those knives which makes me wonder what her associations were regarding them.

 

[seasideForest]

It is also possible to beat someone to death. I agree that weapons are a major problem, but given the amount of rage, the outcome could have been just as severe without a knife. MOO

Or possible to be so blind with rage you don't notice or care where you shove your younger sibling - they hit their head on something / sharp edge of something / fly down the basement stairs and land on concrete floor and that's it.

I had an older sib like that (I was lucky to miss sharp edges etc on the way to the floor...) and parents in total denial, so I'm wondering what all might come up in this case. No guns / no self-defence knives in our house though and idk but I can't imagine my sib getting a knife out. So some enraged people manage to stop somewhere, there's a line they won't cross that this 13 yo did cross. MOO

RIP to the 7yo. At least she's not in pain anymore, but she was taken far too early.

 

[Beckycott]

Kids babysitting kids, awful for everyone involved

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Kids babysitting kids, awful for everyone involved

I don't have numbers, but I'm pretty certain there are more adult babysitters in prison for abusing or murdering the kids in their care than there are kids. Babysitting siblings as a teen is what many people grew up doing/seeing, so I don't think the babysitting arrangement was that unusual.

MOO

 

[ChatteringBirds]

That’s definitely true as far as it goes: a kitchen knife, scissors, hammer are innocuous items which can all be used for violence.

That said, I can’t help feeling that combat knives and .357 magnum pistols [this case and Carly Gregg’s] in the home may have been spoken of in ways that planted a seed in the mind of a troubled teen. My opinion only.

I agree. Having a weapon in the house that was always made to be an actual weapon is psychologically different from, say, a bread knife, IMO.


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[al66pine]

dbm

 

[AppleTreeGreen]

Rest in Peace to Jessie Jane Lilburn

Taylor police say 7-year-old girl fatally stabbed by 13-year-old sister

Taylor Police say a 7-year-old girl was fatally stabbed by her 13-year-old sister Saturday around 1:00 p.m.

www.wxyz.com

Neighbors describe Jessie Jane Lilburn as a sweet child who loved her riding her bike, swimming, catching frogs with the other kids in her neighborhood and greeting fellow residents with a smile and hello. She could often be seen walking up and down the block just speaking to neighbors and fellow pedestrians. Many residents, including the other kids, seem to recall her outgoing demeanor in that she was nice and wanted to play with everyone. One of her fellow playmates however did remark though that sometimes when he would see her do her aforementioned walk and down the block she would seem sad. Adult and children alike in the community are heavily saddened by the tragic loss of 7 years-old Jessie Jane Lilburn and are keeping the family in their prayers as they to offer her parents as much support as they can.

 

[Sillybilly]

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[SMK777]

Rest in Peace to Jessie Jane Lilburn

Taylor police say 7-year-old girl fatally stabbed by 13-year-old sister

Taylor Police say a 7-year-old girl was fatally stabbed by her 13-year-old sister Saturday around 1:00 p.m.

www.wxyz.com

Neighbors describe Jessie Jane Lilburn as a sweet child who loved her riding her bike, swimming, catching frogs with the other kids in her neighborhood and greeting fellow residents with a smile and hello. She could often be seen walking up and down the block just speaking to neighbors and fellow pedestrians. Many residents, including the other kids, seem to recall her outgoing demeanor in that she was nice and wanted to play with everyone. One of her fellow playmates however did remark though that sometimes when he would see her do her aforementioned walk and down the block she would seem sad. Adult and children alike in the community are heavily saddened by the tragic loss of 7 years-old Jessie Jane Lilburn and are keeping the family in their prayers as they to offer her parents as much support as they can.

Very sad at the end when they show the image of the Dad hugging her.

 

[SMK777]

Here is her official obituary page:

Obituary information for Jessie Jane "JJ" Lilburn

View Jessie Jane "JJ" Lilburn's obituary, contribute to their memorial, see their funeral service details, and more.

www.voranfuneralhome.com

 

[seasideForest]

I'm sorry, Sillybilly, for discussing another case.

 

[SMK777]

I'm sorry, Sillybilly, for discussing another case.

Me, too. It was relevant, but unfortunately comments on it became confused with the present case.

 

[whitelilac]

That video is heartbreaking, the poor father.
As for the 13 year old, I wonder what her state of mind is presently. I imagine she is being assessed by psychologists. Neighbours said that the sisters played together a lot. Is she fully aware of what she has done, is she remorseful, is she even angrier, blaming her little sister, for what happened and being locked up?
It's so senseless.
Rest in peace little Jessie Jane.

 

[SMK777]

That video is heartbreaking, the poor father.
As for the 13 year old, I wonder what her state of mind is presently. I imagine she is being assessed by psychologists. Neighbours said that the sisters played together a lot. Is she fully aware of what she has done, is she remorseful, is she even angrier, blaming her little sister, for what happened and being locked up?
It's so senseless.
Rest in peace little Jessie Jane.

I also wonder how her parents are feeling about her, because in a sense they’ve lost her, too.

 

[sunspun]

I also wonder how her parents are feeling about her, because in a sense they’ve lost her, too.

It would be an overwhelmingly difficult situation for the parents. They might find it hard to forgive. She was their little girl and only 7 years old! However, the other girl was, no, IS, their little girl too. And she is still here, and they're going to have to figure out how to behave with her. It would be so hard when her very existence reminds you that her sister's existence is no more. I honestly don't know how they can do it. But according to one thing I read on this, they apparently "aren't ready" for her to come home.

Someone earlier (@SMK777) posted an article from fox2detroit.com that included this (note the last line in regard to your comment) (ETA and I just realized who I'm responding to is SMK777 ha):

TAYLOR, Mich. (FOX 2) - A 13-year-old girl is accused of stabbing her 7-year-old sister to death inside their Taylor home on Saturday has been remanded to the Wayne County Juvenile Detention Center.

During a virtual hearing on Tuesday a referee set the girl’s bond at $10,000 personal bond but said the parents weren’t ready for her to come home.

 

[katydid23]

I also wonder how her parents are feeling about her, because in a sense they’ve lost her, too.

I can't imagine how devastated the parents must be. If my older child had stabbed my younger child to death, then I am grieving that loss but still have to try and help my older child through that ? What a stress on that marriage too. My prayers go out to them.

ETA: I can totally understand why they might not be ready for the older child to come home. I'd be so angry and hurt if I was in that position. And profoundly sad.

 

[SMK777]

It would be an overwhelmingly difficult situation for the parents. They might find it hard to forgive. She was their little girl and only 7 years old! However, the other girl was, no, IS, their little girl too. And she is still here, and they're going to have to figure out how to behave with her. It would be so hard when her very existence reminds you that her sister's existence is no more. I honestly don't know how they can do it. But according to one thing I read on this, they apparently "aren't ready" for her to come home.

Someone earlier (@SMK777) posted an article from fox2detroit.com that included this (note the last line in regard to your comment) (ETA and I just realized who I'm responding to is SMK777 ha):

TAYLOR, Mich. (FOX 2) - A 13-year-old girl is accused of stabbing her 7-year-old sister to death inside their Taylor home on Saturday has been remanded to the Wayne County Juvenile Detention Center.

During a virtual hearing on Tuesday a referee set the girl’s bond at $10,000 personal bond but said the parents weren’t ready for her to come home.

Yes, I remember that. I can certainly understand their not being ready to have her home.

The death of their 7 year old at her hands had to be horror they never anticipated. At the same time as you note this is also their child. To be honest I can’t imagine how you could begin to reconcile all these conflicting feelings.

It’s far worse than if a stranger had killed the 7 year old, because in that case your grief would be 100 percent with the victim, zero for the killer. But when your own child is the killer, and you never had an inkling that it was possible?

 

[Rolypolyoly]

I also wonder how her parents are feeling about her, because in a sense they’ve lost her, too.

The impression I got from doing a little fb search for Jessie Jane's name would be angry (understandably) and also done. But that's just my opinion from reading some posts.