The parents should be at least permitted to watch the hearing remotely. The state has not stripped the parents of their parental rights, legally, as far as I have seen, and they haven't been found guilty yet of any crime. I wish the parents had better legal representation.
Crumbley parents banned from son's hearing: They just want to silence him, prosecutor says
Prosecutors say the Crumbleys are trying to silence their son about his upbringing to save themselves.eu.freep.com
"These defendants abandoned their son the moment that they thought charges against them were possible," wrote Keast, who scoffed at the Crumbleys' assertions that they are "very concerned" for their son.
"They left it to the court to find him an attorney. They emptied his bank account. And they used that money to find themselves an attorney and flee from apprehension."
Keast, in urging the judge to deny the Crumbleys' request to attend their son's hearing, stressed: The parents' "concern remains for themselves, not their son."
"As Jennifer Crumbley put it on the day of the shooting, the shooter ruined his own life, 'now we have to take care of ourselves,' " Keast wrote.
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Below are two of several reports about the Crumbleys' participation in Zoom hearings. They were disrespectful to the court and to the families of the school shooting victims. Their prior courtroom antics were likely taken into consideration when it was determined that EC's parents should not be allowed in the courtroom for his Miller hearing.
Ethan Crumbley’s parents need to stop ‘offensive’ romantic courtroom antics: prosecutors
James and Jennifer Crumbley, who are charged with involuntary manslaughter, have blown kisses and mouthed “I love you” to each other during court proceedings
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Oakland County Assistant Prosecutor Markeisha Washington formally asked a judge Wednesday to put an end to the “inappropriate” and “disrespectful” courtroom antics, which they say have been noticed by some relatives of the victims...
Prosecutors want parents of accused Michigan school shooter to halt romantic gestures in court
“The courtroom is not a place for blowing kisses and sending secret signals,” a prosecutor said.
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Jennifer and James Crumbley, who were each charged with four counts of involuntary manslaughter in the Nov. 30 shooting at Oxford High School, were said to have mouthed the words "I love you" during in-person and virtual court hearings on Dec. 14 and Jan. 7, according to a motion filed Tuesday in Oakland County District Court.
The couple also waved at each other and made other non-verbal signals, prosecutors said...
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I wonder how much communication & contact the parents are allowed with each other day-to-day. I assume they are allowed no contact with EC.Below are two of several reports about the Crumbleys' participation in Zoom hearings. They were disrespectful to the court and to the families of the school shooting victims. Their prior courtroom antics were likely taken into consideration when it was determined that EC's parents should not be allowed in the courtroom for his Miller hearing.
Prosecutors have blasted the parents of accused Michigan high school shooter Ethan Crumbley for their “inappropriate” displays of affection in court, where the duo are facing charges over their alleged role in the massacre...Ethan Crumbley’s parents need to stop ‘offensive’ romantic courtroom antics: prosecutors
James and Jennifer Crumbley, who are charged with involuntary manslaughter, have blown kisses and mouthed “I love you” to each other during court proceedings
Oakland County Assistant Prosecutor Markeisha Washington formally asked a judge Wednesday to put an end to the “inappropriate” and “disrespectful” courtroom antics, which they say have been noticed by some relatives of the victims...
Prosecutors asked a judge to bar the parents of the accused Michigan school shooter from making romantic gestures toward each other in court, saying they're making a "mockery of the crimes they're accused of committing."Prosecutors want parents of accused Michigan school shooter to halt romantic gestures in court
“The courtroom is not a place for blowing kisses and sending secret signals,” a prosecutor said.
Jennifer and James Crumbley, who were each charged with four counts of involuntary manslaughter in the Nov. 30 shooting at Oxford High School, were said to have mouthed the words "I love you" during in-person and virtual court hearings on Dec. 14 and Jan. 7, according to a motion filed Tuesday in Oakland County District Court.
The couple also waved at each other and made other non-verbal signals, prosecutors said...
How long will they will maintain their seeming solidarity, especially when they go to trial.
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I don't thankfully know the Crumbleys but what I do know is that two people who are full of self-interest will promote solidarity only so long as it serves that self-interest. Boat starts tipping, solidarity will yield to self-interest. Every time.
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James and Jennifer Crumbley can stand trial in Oxford shooting case
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Very informative despite my not understanding all of the legalese. Thank you for sharing the appeals court's full analysis & conclusion to bind over these parents for trial.
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Question for anyone who knows:
Have their appeals been exhausted or can they re-appeal to the Michigan Supreme Court?
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According to this article they can re-appeal to the Michigan Supreme Court.
Ethan Crumbley's parents should stand trial for involuntary manslaughter, appellate court says | CNN
The parents of the Oxford High School shooter will stand trial on four counts of involuntary manslaughter for the four deaths their son Ethan Crumbley caused in a November 2021 school shooting in what may be a precedent-setting case, the Michigan Court of Appeals has ruled.
Jennifer and James Crumbley can appeal the decision to Michigan’s Supreme Court, which previously ruled that there appears to be enough evidence to move forward with a trial.
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Progress touted in Oxford school shooting probe
The Oakland County Prosecutor's Office provides 'critical' information, firm says.
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Bradley Dizik, executive vice president at Guidepost Solutions, told the Oxford school board during its monthly meeting that prosecutors have provided Guidepost with "significant, detailed information relating to the incident. That information is critical to the review, and some portions of that information are still non-public.
"Hopefully, our working relationship with the Prosecutor’s Office will serve as a national example for how communities, subject matter experts, law enforcement and prosecutors can work together and collaborate to find factual truths and identify learnings from tragedies like the one here in Oxford," Dizik told the board...
I agree.
They want to provide proof that they are indeed caring and involved parents.
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The prosecution says the Crumbleys' motive for wanting to go to their son's Hearing is self serving - selfish:
"The Crumbleys remain very concerned about their son and ask this court to allow them to attend the Miller hearing," defense attorneys Shannon Smith and Mariell Lehman said in a court filing last month.
Hogwash, countered prosecutors, who blasted the Crumbleys over their request, alleging they want to attend the hearing only because they learned it would include testimony "that would be unfavorable to them."
"This is (the Crumbleys') attempt to confront and/or implore their son not to disclose the full circumstances of his upbringing," Assistant Prosecutor Marc Keast wrote in a blistering court filing.
The prosecutor portrayed the Crumbleys as selfish parents looking out for only themselves, alleging they are using their son in an effort to spare themselves from a lengthy prison sentence. He noted the parents face up to 15 years in prison.
Crumbley parents banned from son's hearing: They just want to silence him, prosecutor says
Prosecutors say the Crumbleys are trying to silence their son about his upbringing to save themselves.
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The Crumbleys would probably use some type of sign language, gestures, or facial expressions to communicate with their son in the courtroom just as they did during their own Zoom hearings. They were admonished by the Judge for their disrespectful antics. Given the chance, the parents would probably make a mockery of EC's Miller hearing. JMO
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Yup.
That's the only way they would be able to communicate with him....
"sign language, gestures, or facial expressions" ...etc........
I also think they are super curious to hear what he has to say, hear it for themselves. To hear what he says that would be "unfavorable to them."
And perhaps they think if he sees them and if they mouth "I love yous" to him, that he will say things more favorable about their parenting skills.
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IMO they do love their son mentally but can be dismissive and selfish. But he's a minor, and they are still his parents. Maybe let them watch via video without being able to communicate with him.
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When will the Oxford High School shooter be sentenced?
The convicted Oxford High School shooter is in jail, waiting to be sentenced for the 24 felonies he pleaded guilty to last year.
Sentencing will take a little longer than usual in this particular case because the shooter is a minor.
The Oxford High School shooter was 15 years old when he opened fire on Nov. 30, 2021, and murdered four students and injured seven other people. Soon after, he was charged as an adult with 24 felonies by the Oakland County Prosecutor’s Office.
The shooter was expected to stand trial this January after initially pleading not guilty to all charges, but he changed that plea to guilty in October 2022. He has been convicted of the following crimes...
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Thanks much for keeping this thread updated @BetteDavisEyes!The convicted Oxford High School shooter is in jail, waiting to be sentenced for the 24 felonies he pleaded guilty to last year. But when, exactly, will his sentence be handed down?When will the Oxford High School shooter be sentenced?
The convicted Oxford High School shooter is in jail, waiting to be sentenced for the 24 felonies he pleaded guilty to last year.www.clickondetroit.com
Sentencing will take a little longer than usual in this particular case because the shooter is a minor.
The Oxford High School shooter was 15 years old when he opened fire on Nov. 30, 2021, and murdered four students and injured seven other people. Soon after, he was charged as an adult with 24 felonies by the Oakland County Prosecutor’s Office.
The shooter was expected to stand trial this January after initially pleading not guilty to all charges, but he changed that plea to guilty in October 2022. He has been convicted of the following crimes...
My but justice moves slow:
"A Miller hearing has been tentatively scheduled for the Oxford shooter for July 27. The date of the hearing has changed several times, and it’s unknown if the July 27 date will hold. The date was set by a judge on April 14.
"At the end of the Miller hearing, the court will decide whether to sentence the minor to life without parole, or to a term of years in prison instead, the Michigan bar says. Either way, the court is required to state, on the record, the “aggravating and mitigating factors it considered in reaching its decision.”
A sentencing hearing will follow the Miller hearing, but an official date has not yet been set. It is likely the judge will schedule a sentencing hearing at the end of the Miller hearing."
Never forgetting the four lives lost & all those suffering from the event & it's trauma & loss.
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Compare security measures at Oxford schools before and after shooting
The Oxford Community Schools has outlined the security measures it had before the Nov. 30, 2021 shooting and what it upgraded afterward.
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The Oxford school district has released a list of security measures that were in place before the shooting as well as upgrades that were made after the shooting.
Measures that were added after the shooting, according to district officials, are in italics...
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A day after receiving an independent report on the Oxford Community Schools’ security following the 2021 deadly shooting in the district, the superintendent said her team plans to review the findings and recommendations “very carefully" before moving forward.
“We are going to be taking a very close look at it,” Vickie Markavitch told the board of education during its regular meeting Tuesday night. “It’s a dense report. It’s full of information. It’s got a lot to think about and many, many recommendations.”
The 179-page analysis from Guidepost Solutions, a regulatory compliance, monitoring and security consulting firm, was released Monday.
It is the first review and assessment since the Nov. 30, 2021, attack at Oxford High School that left four students dead and seven others, including a teacher, wounded...
“We are going to be taking a very close look at it,” Vickie Markavitch told the board of education during its regular meeting Tuesday night. “It’s a dense report. It’s full of information. It’s got a lot to think about and many, many recommendations.”
The 179-page analysis from Guidepost Solutions, a regulatory compliance, monitoring and security consulting firm, was released Monday.
It is the first review and assessment since the Nov. 30, 2021, attack at Oxford High School that left four students dead and seven others, including a teacher, wounded...
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Two Oxford parents frustrated by delay with independent report about shooting
An in-depth report on Oxford school security did not restore trust in two parents who called for the district to be more transparent with the public.
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Change4Oxford officials said they will hold a 1:30 p.m. virtual news conference Thursday to speak about the 179-page report by Guidepost Solutions released Monday.
The report said the district's threat assessment teams only inquired about access to firearms involving troubled students half of the time after the November 2021 mass shooting and the school system needs to better filter reports of behavior.
School officials said Tuesday they would review the findings and recommendations “very carefully."
“We are going to be taking a very close look at it,” Vickie Markavitch, the district's superintendent, told the board of education during its regular meeting Tuesday. “It’s a dense report. It’s full of information. It’s got a lot to think about and many, many recommendations.”...
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Federal judge allows some Oxford High School shooting lawsuits to move forward
The ruling comes in response to 10 lawsuits alleging the district failed to protect students and downplayed the threat Crumbley posed to the school.
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The mixed ruling from U.S. District Court Judge Mark Goldsmith means Shawn Hopkins, a counselor at the school, and Nicholas Ejak, the high school's dean of students, continue to face "state-created danger claims" made by multiple Oxford families and survivors of the Nov. 30, 2021 attack at the school that killed four students and injured six others and a teacher.
"Based on their allegations, plaintiffs are entitled to proceed to discovery to learn what evidence supports their contention that Ejak and Hopkins’s failure to immediately address a known risk of danger rose to the level of conscience-shocking," Goldsmith wrote in his ruling about confessed murderer Ethan Crumbley.
"There may be 'some cases in which a court could determine that a state actor's actions did not shock the conscience at the motion-to-dismiss stage,' however, 'this is not that case,'" the judge wrote...
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Crumbley parents appeal involuntary manslaughter bindover to Michigan Supreme Court
Their attorneys say the judge abused her discretion when she sent the cases to circuit court to stand trial.
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The attorneys for James and Jennifer Crumbley, who are each charged with four counts of involuntary manslaughter in connection with the shooting, argue Oakland County District Court Judge Julie Nicholson abused her discretion when she sent the cases to circuit court to stand trial...
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