GUILTY MI - 4 students killed, 6 injured, Oxford High School shooting, 30 Nov 2021 *Arrest incl parents* *teen guilty* #4

[JerseyGirl]

Parents of Michigan school shooter Ethan Crumbley appeal order to stand trial

The parents of Michigan school shooter Ethan Crumbley have filed appeals to the Michigan Supreme Court after an appeals court ruled they will stand trial in the case.

abcnews.go.com

 

[JerseyGirl]

Parents of Oxford shooter appeal to Michigan Supreme Court in hopes of avoiding trial

The parents of the Oxford High School shooter have appealed a ruling binding them over to trial to the Michigan Supreme Court.

www.clickondetroit.com

 

[IAMWAN]

Prosecutors: Oxford shooter showing ‘disturbing behavior’ in jail

 

[NeverPersonal]

Prosecutors: Oxford shooter showing ‘disturbing behavior’ in jail

what a nothing sandwich of an article. no details.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/oakland-county/2023/06/23/ethan-crumbley-hearing-oxford-shooting-oakland-circuit-court/70350906007/

Oakland County prosecutors noted some "concerning behavior" by Oxford High School shooter Ethan Crumbley and made a note of it during the teen's Friday monthly review hearing about his placement at the Oakland County Jail.

A memorandum filed with the Oakland County Circuit Court by Assistant Prosecutor Mark Keast offered no specific details but said Crumbley has started experiencing "sporadic, disturbing behavior." The behavior is recent, Keast noted, and was not occurring at the time Crumbley pleaded guilty to 24 criminal charges including terrorism causing death and first-degree murder.

Keast said he wanted to raise the issue now to avoid it being brought up on appeal, which could possibly result in his sentence being vacated. He said he still believes Crumbley is competent, though it is not readily apparently what is causing the behavior.

Chief Assistant Prosecutor David Williams said he could not comment further on Crumbley's behavior because it is restricted health care-related information...

 

[imstilla.grandma]

“Recently, Defendant has started exhibiting sporadic, disturbing behavior. This behavior has been documented via report and bodyworn cameras from jail personnel responding to various incidents. It is not readily apparent what the impetus for or cause is of this behavior,” the filing says.

The filing states that the court is required to consider the behavior and Crumbley’s ability to participate in future hearings saying, “These incidents relate to the defendant’s competence.”

A prosecutor called the behavior concerning Friday morning at a routine hearing evaluating Crumbley’s detention in an adult detention facility as a minor.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/23/us/ethan-crumbley-disturbing-behavior-jail/index.html

 

[ilovewings]

“Recently, Defendant has started exhibiting sporadic, disturbing behavior. This behavior has been documented via report and bodyworn cameras from jail personnel responding to various incidents. It is not readily apparent what the impetus for or cause is of this behavior,” the filing says.

The filing states that the court is required to consider the behavior and Crumbley’s ability to participate in future hearings saying, “These incidents relate to the defendant’s competence.”

A prosecutor called the behavior concerning Friday morning at a routine hearing evaluating Crumbley’s detention in an adult detention facility as a minor.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/23/us/ethan-crumbley-disturbing-behavior-jail/index.html

It would be nice if they would have described the "disturbing behavior"

 

[Gemmie]

It would be nice if they would have described the "disturbing behavior"

Well, except they can't by law. I'd think anyone would want the same respect if they were in his position.

“Due to restrictions on the release of healthcare-related information, our office will not comment beyond the information included in the brief filed yesterday and referenced in court this morning, ” Oakland County Chief Assistant Prosecutor David Williams said in a statement to CNN.

Source

 

[Gemmie]

“Recently, Defendant has started exhibiting sporadic, disturbing behavior. This behavior has been documented via report and bodyworn cameras from jail personnel responding to various incidents. It is not readily apparent what the impetus for or cause is of this behavior,” the filing says.

The filing states that the court is required to consider the behavior and Crumbley’s ability to participate in future hearings saying, “These incidents relate to the defendant’s competence.”

A prosecutor called the behavior concerning Friday morning at a routine hearing evaluating Crumbley’s detention in an adult detention facility as a minor.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/23/us/ethan-crumbley-disturbing-behavior-jail/index.html

More importantly per your article:

“To be clear, the behavior referenced in this motion is recent and was not occurring at the time defendant entered his plea. There is no evidence that raises a bona fide doubt as to Defendant’s competence at that time,” a footnote in the filing says.

Source

ETA a different way of posting the source. It keeps copying the link 4X in my last 2 posts. Hopefully linking it this way solves that problem.

 

[ChatteringBirds]

It is not readily apparent what the impetus for or cause is of this behavior

Where are they going with this? I mean, is he not able to communicate coherently and tell them what's going on in his mind?

Maybe he's on the wrong medications. JMO.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

‘I don’t want him to do anything stupid’: Prosecutors expose more messages from Oxford shooter’s parents

Oakland County prosecutors exposed more messages from the parents of the Oxford High School shooter in their fight against the latest attempt to get the case against them thrown out.

www.clickondetroit.com

OXFORD, Mich. – Oakland County prosecutors exposed more messages from the parents of the Oxford High School shooter in their fight against the latest attempt to get the case against them thrown out.

In a filing with the Michigan Supreme Court on June 8, prosecutors released more of the evidence they’ve collected against James and Jennifer Crumbley in order to prove that the couple should go to trial on involuntary manslaughter charges.

The Crumbley defense team turned to the state’s Supreme Court last month after the Michigan Court of Appeals upheld a ruling from a lower court to send the parents to trial...

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Prosecutors offer new evidence of Crumbley parents' 'consciousness of guilt' to Supreme Court

In a filing to the Michigan Supreme Court, Oakland County prosecutors offered new evidence against the parents of the Oxford High School shooter.

www.detroitnews.com

Oakland County prosecutors have brought new evidence to the Michigan Supreme Court of the "consciousness of guilt" by the parents of the Oxford High School shooter as they appeal their involuntary manslaughter charges to the state's highest court.

Among the revelations, County Prosecutor Karen McDonald's office noted that James Crumbley took the receipt for the gun he had bought his son with him when he and his wife Jennifer fled Oakland County after the November 2021 shooting. James Crumbley had the receipt on him when he was arrested.

"Defendants' flight and the taking of the receipt for the murder weapon during such flight provide an inference of their consciousness of guilt," prosecutors wrote...

 

[Sundog]

Prosecutors offer new evidence of Crumbley parents' 'consciousness of guilt' to Supreme Court

In a filing to the Michigan Supreme Court, Oakland County prosecutors offered new evidence against the parents of the Oxford High School shooter.

www.detroitnews.com

Oakland County prosecutors have brought new evidence to the Michigan Supreme Court of the "consciousness of guilt" by the parents of the Oxford High School shooter as they appeal their involuntary manslaughter charges to the state's highest court.

Among the revelations, County Prosecutor Karen McDonald's office noted that James Crumbley took the receipt for the gun he had bought his son with him when he and his wife Jennifer fled Oakland County after the November 2021 shooting. James Crumbley had the receipt on him when he was arrested.

"Defendants' flight and the taking of the receipt for the murder weapon during such flight provide an inference of their consciousness of guilt," prosecutors wrote...

There are other ways to interpet this action. I don't see it necessarily as "consciousness of guilt."

 

[JerseyGirl]

From the link above:

The Crumbleys' son has pleaded guilty to one count of terrorism causing death, four counts of first-degree murder, seven counts of attempted murder and 12 counts of using a gun during a felony. He is awaiting sentencing. His Miller hearing, where a judge will determine if it is constitutional to sentence him to life in prison without parole, is set for July 27.

 

[cocomod]

From the link above:

The Crumbleys' son has pleaded guilty to one count of terrorism causing death, four counts of first-degree murder, seven counts of attempted murder and 12 counts of using a gun during a felony. He is awaiting sentencing. His Miller hearing, where a judge will determine if it is constitutional to sentence him to life in prison without parole, is set for July 27.

Are the parents still banned from attending his Miller hearing?

Crumbley parents banned from son's hearing: They just want to silence him, prosecutor says

Prosecutors say the Crumbleys are trying to silence their son about his upbringing to save themselves.

www.freep.com

Against their wishes, James and Jennifer Crumbley will not be allowed to attend their son's hearing to determine whether he will have a chance at parole or will spend the rest of his life in prison for a deadly school shooting.

 

[ChatteringBirds]

Is anyone of the opinion he should receive the chance for parole someday (ETA: Obviously a long time from now?) Curious what people think. I am not 100% in either camp today, wanting to ponder the issue.

 

[AngTxGal]

There are other ways to interpet this action. I don't see it necessarily as "consciousness of guilt."

I don’t see any other reasons two parents of a minor would leave town when they find out a shooting is at their minor child’s high school- other than to flee due to guilt.

What are your thoughts?

JMO

 

[Sundog]

I don’t see any other reasons two parents of a minor would leave town when they find out a shooting is at their minor child’s high school- other than to flee due to guilt.

What are your thoughts?

JMO

I am sure they were freaked out that their teenage son had committed these murderous acts and didn't know what to do, where to go, with media coming to their house, people accusing them of all kinds of things, and so they left town and went to a place where they could lay low. I think they were confused and very unsettled, to say the least.

 

[ChatteringBirds]

. I think they were confused and very unsettled, to say the least.

But surely they were thinking, if only we had not bought him that gun.

Unfortunately they had made that decision.
IMO/MOO.

 

[Sundog]

But surely they were thinking, if only we had not bought him that gun.

Unfortunately they had made that decision.
IMO/MOO.

Agree, after the fact they most certainly would have regretted the purchase of the gun, as most parents in this situation would. So many parents do the same, i.e purchase a gun for their children, but don't ever expect this kind of outcome.