MI MI - Adrienne Quintal, 47, called for help, foul play possible, Honor, Benzie Co., 17 Oct 2019

[Gardener1850]

exactly. what can they tell from a phone call though? voices , silence, maybe even recorded?

They can tell the length of the call and they can ping the locations of the phones for sure. Beyond that, I'm not sure. A lot of new phones have voice recognition apps that record your voice but it will depend on your settings and you may have to have that activated or you may have to be using the app. Since they have Adrienne's phone they may be able to tell more specific things about the movement of her phone. They may be able to tell what time her phone was plugged into a charger to charge, what time it was picked it up, what time it was taken off the charger, and exactly when the phone was taken to the roof-- it would change in elevation as she climbed onto the roof. But again, that all depends on the model of her phone and her settings. MOO.

 

[ardean]

I wonder if she could have been hallucinating for some reason? Exposure to fumes of whatever she may have been using in her projects? Mental health crisis? Substance interference? Hmm. I wonder this because no blood was found. If she’s shot someone in the face...
Gosh my heart is breaking for Ada. Where is she?

I wish they had released that info earlier. This leads to possibly an imbalance and medical emergency. She likely took off delusional. There aren't many crooks that can clean up blood or a scene in that short of time and get away. This likely should have been treated as a lost person scenario from the start.

 

[BuySellTrade]

One has to consider that the apparent circumstance of AQ's disappearance is staged. Perhaps AQ was long gone when her cell phone called the friend from the cabin. The friend is a big mystery to WS and hope LE knows more. Obviously why not just call 911 instead of the relay? So AQ is disappeared and likely not by her own option or hand. AQ is removed from the cabin. The shots are made from inside the house. The phone call is made by a female voice imitating AQ to the "friend" for relay to authorities. The boots and cell are tossed on the roof. LE arrives. Initial assumption are that AQ has just left.

 

[ardean]

One has to consider that the apparent circumstance of AQ's disappearance is staged. Perhaps AQ was long gone when her cell phone called the friend from the cabin. The friend is a big mystery to WS and hope LE knows more. Obviously why not just call 911 instead of the relay? So AQ is disappeared and likely not by her own option or hand. AQ is removed from the cabin. The shots are made from inside the house. The phone call is made by a female voice imitating AQ to the "friend" for relay to authorities. The boots and cell are tossed on the roof. LE arrives. Initial assumption are that AQ has just left.

Her prints should be found on the found gun and no other. With the info released it would seem the police believe it to release it. I still lean towards some sort of mania and she could be dead in some nearby place where she tried to hide. It reminds me of the girl in the NYC water tank.

 

[mommylicious]

Giving the wrong address could be an honest mistake. The friend may have misheard what AQ said, especially with what sounds like a stressful situation transpiring. Not sure what to think. Leaning towards drugs/mental health issues though. Would love some VI insight.

 

[BuySellTrade]

Her prints should be found on the found gun and no other. With the info released it would seem the police believe it to release it. I still lean towards some sort of mania and she could be dead in some nearby place where she tried to hide. It reminds me of the girl in the NYC water tank.

Good point about the finger prints, probably LE already knows about any prints on the gun.

Do you mean the Lam woman whose body was found on the water tank on the roof of the hotel in LA (not NYC)? I still tend to think that someone hoid the body in the water tank and the death was not the product of a mental health or drug intoxication issue.

Best outcome is if AQ is alive and wanted a clean escape and had help. In this case the potential crime scene would also be staged. Who knows as yet? Weird now.

 

[indicolite22]

The wording of the latest police release implies that the family friend she called was female. Adrienne also asked her to call the police for her.

 

[indicolite22]

One has to consider that the apparent circumstance of AQ's disappearance is staged. Perhaps AQ was long gone when her cell phone called the friend from the cabin. The friend is a big mystery to WS and hope LE knows more. Obviously why not just call 911 instead of the relay? So AQ is disappeared and likely not by her own option or hand. AQ is removed from the cabin. The shots are made from inside the house. The phone call is made by a female voice imitating AQ to the "friend" for relay to authorities. The boots and cell are tossed on the roof. LE arrives. Initial assumption are that AQ has just left.

If the friend she called was in on the crime, why would they need someone imitating Adrienne's voice? If that wasn't the case, would Adrienne's friend really be fooled by someone speaking for that long?

 

[CharadeYouAre]

This reminds me so much of Brandon Lawson’s case from 2013. It wasn’t until 2019 that his brother came out with new info stating that Brandon was high on meth that night, and the whole case makes much more sense now. Both seemingly paranoid and near rivers...

 

[happyday]

This reminds me so much of Brandon Lawson’s case from 2013. It wasn’t until 2019 that his brother came out with new info stating that Brandon was high on meth that night, and the whole case makes much more sense now. Both seemingly paranoid and near rivers...

I also thought of Brandon Lawson. Also Lauren Thompson in East Texas. You have people calling people for help, seemingly afraid for their lives, not making a lot of sense. No evidence that any of what they’ve said actually occurred. So either they were delusional and paranoid OR something really really bad happened to them. But either way they’re missing and nowhere to be found.

 

[MassGuy]

One has to consider that the apparent circumstance of AQ's disappearance is staged. Perhaps AQ was long gone when her cell phone called the friend from the cabin. The friend is a big mystery to WS and hope LE knows more. Obviously why not just call 911 instead of the relay? So AQ is disappeared and likely not by her own option or hand. AQ is removed from the cabin. The shots are made from inside the house. The phone call is made by a female voice imitating AQ to the "friend" for relay to authorities. The boots and cell are tossed on the roof. LE arrives. Initial assumption are that AQ has just left.

Crime scenes are staged, but I’ve never seen anything like this. What you are describing is like something out of a bad movie.

There’s plenty of precedence for some sort of mental health crisis, either naturally or drug induced, and behavior like we see here.

 

[rainynights]

[Benzie County Sheriff Ted] Schendel said a search of her phone records revealed Quintal's call to her friend was the third she tried to make.

[...]

Schendel said there were a few more bullet holes, one in the ceiling and another by the door. Those, too, appeared to be from the inside out, although investigators aren't sure about one, he said.

Quintal's cellphone was atop the cabin mud room's roof, which can be easily accessed from inside, Schendel said. A pair of boots were up there, too. Her handgun was found outside, and Schendel said it appears to have been fired — forensics tests haven't confirmed this yet.

A neighbor told police they heard gunshots early that morning, but didn't believe they heard a shoot-out, Schendel said.

Missing woman told friend of shoot-out

 

[Nancy19XX]

IMO - it was late, many people have closed up their cabins for the winter... Maybe someone thought they could break in (although she had a vehicle there, which I would think would deter someone). Startled she grabs her gun and shoots perp #1. She calls for help, runs up to roof and takes her boots off to make less noise? She's caught or worse, prep #2 takes both bodies (dead or alive) with them when they leave, before cops arrive. All theory in my head. I feel if she did shoot someone in the face, the second perp took that person with them.

However, drugs make people do unthinkable things. If she was on drugs, alone in the woods at night... Maybe she was hallucinating and if that is the case, she's out there somewhere and with the freezing weather - it's not looking good. If someone did try to break in or rob her and knew who she was, that opens another can of worms. Was she involved in making or selling drugs!?

Again, all my theories and speculation. I keep hoping for a positive outcome on this one, but as time goes on....

 

[indicolite22]

[Benzie County Sheriff Ted] Schendel said a search of her phone records revealed Quintal's call to her friend was the third she tried to make.

[...]

Schendel said there were a few more bullet holes, one in the ceiling and another by the door. Those, too, appeared to be from the inside out, although investigators aren't sure about one, he said.

Quintal's cellphone was atop the cabin mud room's roof, which can be easily accessed from inside, Schendel said. A pair of boots were up there, too. Her handgun was found outside, and Schendel said it appears to have been fired — forensics tests haven't confirmed this yet.

A neighbor told police they heard gunshots early that morning, but didn't believe they heard a shoot-out, Schendel said.

Missing woman told friend of shoot-out

From the latest article:

Plans are to search the area with cadaver dog teams, Schendel said. They were called off Saturday because of the weather.

It looks like the police believe that she's out there. Earlier on they led us to believe otherwise:

Because all searches have so far turned up no results, police in Benzie County believe that Quintal is no longer in that area.

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ETA: Also, on why they have not released the information earlier:

Schendel said he didn't initially release the information because he didn't believe the public was in danger, and wanted it withheld while interviewing people.

 

[happyday]

From the latest article:

Plans are to search the area with cadaver dog teams, Schendel said. They were called off Saturday because of the weather.

It looks like the police believe that she's out there. Earlier on they led us to believe otherwise:

Because all searches have so far turned up no results, police in Benzie County believe that Quintal is no longer in that area.

Reward Increases To $10,000 For Tips In Metro Detroit Woman's Disappearance Up North

I wonder if it’s just as simple as they initially treated it exactly as it seemed at first glance. A reported desperate phone call to a friend about intruders and a shoot-out and subsequent 911 call, evidence of foul play (bullet holes in house) and a missing woman. Not finding her nearby would make one think she has been taken, and LE would be obligated to follow that line of thinking even if they were not convinced.

Maybe further testing of bullet holes indicating inside to outside shooting only and no blood or evidence of anyone shot on the property is leading them exactly where some of us are now thinking—that she imagined the shoot-out and ran off to hide in the woods. She could be further than they searched before or in water, and I’m very glad they’re planning on bringing dogs for more searching out there.

I think the weather is supposed to get worse before it gets better unfortunately.

 

[MassGuy]

From the latest article:

Plans are to search the area with cadaver dog teams, Schendel said. They were called off Saturday because of the weather.

It looks like the police believe that she's out there. Earlier on they led us to believe otherwise:

Because all searches have so far turned up no results, police in Benzie County believe that Quintal is no longer in that area.

Reward Increases To $10,000 For Tips In Metro Detroit Woman's Disappearance Up North

ETA: Also, on why they have not released the information earlier:

Schendel said he didn't initially release the information because he didn't believe the public was in danger, and wanted it withheld while interviewing people.

Thanks, and I absolutely believe they’re right. She’s out there, and it’s a matter of finding her.

I do understand why they didn’t release that information earlier. If this was some bizarre case of foul play, they only had one shot to get this right. They had to handle it that way just to be safe.

 

[Birmingplumb]

so gone girl is still possible says everyone.

 

[MassGuy]

so gone girl is still possible says everyone.

Except my opinion is that she didn’t choose to run off. She believed what she was seeing and experiencing.

That’s a big distinction. She wasn’t trying to make this look like something it wasn’t, but her behavior initially did just that.

 

[bykerladi]

Unfortunately I suspect even if it was a mental health / delusion thing, she's no longer alive and likely died from exposure by now.

 

[happyday]

so gone girl is still possible says everyone.

Ditto what MassGuy said.