MI MI - Alexandra Brueger, 31, fatally shot while jogging, Rose Twp, 30 July 2016 #1

[SeesSeas]

Ok, so Nikki and Franz get $22,000 for funeral and medical costs...
As for Ally’s funeral, it was done at a local church and they had Ally cremated at a local funeral home...(another fact Nikki conveniently left out at the time...I didn’t find this out until 2 weeks after the funeral when I asked Nikki, over lunch, what cemetery Ally was at so I could go visit her)
I’ve looked this up at the funeral home and the package they chose costs around $4,000.

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Hmmm ... a casket and then cremation? They would have to pay nearly as much as a regular full funeral service then, price to “use” a casket, hearse, etc.

Price example:
http://www.memorialsolutions.com/sitemaker/sites/Michig1/images/8934CremationSelectionsBro27_LR.pdf
SAME-DAY FUNERAL WITH CREMATION TO FOLLOW $4,495

 

[everybodhi]

Hmmm ... a casket and then cremation? They would have to pay nearly as much as a regular full funeral service then, price to “use” a casket, hearse, etc.

Some crematories offer rental caskets, otherwise there are cheaper caskets sold for services before burning the casket in cremation.
https://www.everplans.com/articles/all-you-need-to-know-about-cremation-caskets

 

[always reading]

So are Ally's parents not victims as well? I'm uncomfortable with how they are being portrayed in this thread.

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[liltexans]

So are Ally's parents not victims as well? I'm uncomfortable with how they are being portrayed in this thread.

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The police have said that no one has been ruled out as a suspect, including Ally's parents. They recently said this again in the Crime Watch Daily video.

 

[always reading]

The police have said that no one has been ruled out as a suspect, including Ally's parents. They recently said this again in the Crime Watch Daily video.

Not ruled out as a suspect is different than being a suspect.

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[liltexans]

Not ruled out as a suspect is different than being a suspect.

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Yes, that's correct. No one is a suspect, so everyone is a suspect. The police have said that they cannot rule out Ally's parents or Wes at this time.

 

[black_squirrel]

I think the murderer would have gotten rid of the murder weapon very quickly. Does anyone have any idea how/where the perpetrator could have gotten rid of the gun?

 

[Kittybunny]

Since Ally's parents were her next of kin, assuming she had no children, etc, any outstanding debts, or matters related to her estate fall to them, so that part I don't find odd. But what unpaid medical bills would she have? Wasn't she found already deceased? Or were there other bills unrelated from a previous illness or something? Or maybe they were Nikki's medical bills?




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[black_squirrel]

Another question: Where did the parents say they were when Ally was shot? Was one of them, or both of them at home? Did they give each other an alibi?

combatmedic2121, has this ever come up in conversation with Nikki?

 

[liltexans]

Since Ally's parents were her next of kin, assuming she had no children, etc, any outstanding debts, or matters related to her estate fall to them, so that part I don't find odd. But what unpaid medical bills would she have? Wasn't she found already deceased? Or were there other bills unrelated from a previous illness or something? Or maybe they were Nikki's medical bills?




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She was not deceased when the man whose yard she collapsed in found her. In the Crime Watch Daily video, the man who found her describes putting his hands on her wounds to try to keep her from dying. She was actively bleeding out at that point, but not dead.

 

[always reading]

Yes, that's correct. No one is a suspect, so everyone is a suspect. The police have said that they cannot rule out Ally's parents or Wes at this time.

Yes I got that part. My question was are the parents victims?

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[black_squirrel]

Since Ally's parents were her next of kin, assuming she had no children, etc, any outstanding debts, or matters related to her estate fall to them, so that part I don't find odd. But what unpaid medical bills would she have? Wasn't she found already deceased? Or were there other bills unrelated from a previous illness or something? Or maybe they were Nikki's medical bills?




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I think it is nearly certain that the parents would NOT have to pay for the medical bills. However, if they would inherit after the death of their child, debts could be taken from the estate.

http://www.michiganlegalaid.org/lib...ed_one_legal_and_emotional_concerns/html_view

Don’t assume you will have to pay the debts of the deceased

Debts that are solely in the name of the deceased are not the responsibility of the spouse or family. Aggressive creditors may try to make you believe that you are now obligated to pay them, but never agree to assume that debt without understanding your rights and actual legal obligations. The creditor must make its claim against any assets that are left in the name of the deceased and handled through the probate process. This includes credit cards (if held only by the deceased) and any auto-drafts on bank accounts that are in the name of the deceased. See the previous discussion on bank accounts for more information on this.

One of the debts that is often misunderstood involves leases, including apartments. There is nothing under Michigan law that relieves a person of a debt just because they die before the end of the term of the agreement. If an estate is probated, the party holding the lease can make a claim against the estate. If there are no assets to be probated, there will be nothing for the party to collect. However, that also means that if you are living in an apartment with only the deceased’s name on the lease, you may have to move or try to have the lease changed into your name.

edit: added "NOT"

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Another question: Where did the parents say they were when Ally was shot? Was one of them, or both of them at home? Did they give each other an alibi?

combatmedic2121, has this ever come up in conversation with Nikki?

In some interviews, Nikki seems to suggest that she told Ally to "be careful" on her run, and there was an exchange about why Ally was not taking her cell phone due to earlier rain. Presumably, Nikki was at home when Ally left for her run; not sure about Franz. He's retired, I think, and might have been at home, too.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Since Ally's parents were her next of kin, assuming she had no children, etc, any outstanding debts, or matters related to her estate fall to them, so that part I don't find odd. But what unpaid medical bills would she have? Wasn't she found already deceased? Or were there other bills unrelated from a previous illness or something? Or maybe they were Nikki's medical bills?

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I believe Ally was transported to hospital and attempts to save her were made. Ambulance transport, EMTs, Emergency Room admission/treatment, etc. costs can be astronomical. If Ally had her own health insurance plan, I would think that would cover some medical expenses even though the patient didn't survive. Even if Ally's parents aren't legally responsible for their daughter's medical bills, perhaps they feel a moral obligation to pay what is within their means. :moo:

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

Yes I got that part. My question was are the parents victims?

That wasn’t exactly what you asked originally, but thank you for clarifying! Yes, I think you’re correct. Many of the potential suspects in this case could also be considered victims. IMO

 

[Spellbound]

In some interviews, Nikki seems to suggest that she told Ally to "be careful" on her run, and there was an exchange about why Ally was not taking her cell phone due to earlier rain. Presumably, Nikki was at home when Ally left for her run; not sure about Franz. He's retired, I think, and might have been at home, too.

I don’t remember reading this before, but Ally’s mom was supposedly at church. 7/30/2016 was a Saturday:

[FONT=&amp]Ally was pronounced dead at the hospital.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]Nikki heard the beyond devastating news while she was attending a mass service at church.

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[FONT=&amp]Nikki is thankful to all of those who donated money to a account which was set up to help the family pay for the medical costs after Ally’s murder as well as funeral costs.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]The rest of the money will go to a memorial for Ally. The memorial will likely be built in the spring.https://www.wxyz.com/news/region/oa...jogger-asks-for-publics-help-solving-the-case
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I imagine there were extensive costs at the hospital if they attempted to save her there, but I do not understand why the parents would be responsible for those bills.

 

[Spellbound]

This is old, but I had forgotten about it. A Roseville man was questioned and a search warrant executed at his residence @ November 2016. where is this surveillance image from? Right now, I can only guess someone in the area had home cameras?

[FONT=&amp](He) was told investigators were looking for any evidence that may link him to the murder, including a pair of sandals surveillance images show the suspect they believe was wearing at the time.

with video: http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/local-news/suspect-in-murder-of-holly-jogger-says-he-is-innocent#/
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[Kittybunny]

She was not deceased when the man whose yard she collapsed in found her. In the Crime Watch Daily video, the man who found her describes putting his hands on her wounds to try to keep her from dying. She was actively bleeding out at that point, but not dead.

Thank you liltexans, I missed that part. I never thought about the double tragedy of having to be responsible for a deceased person’s medical bills related to their life-saving efforts. That sucks, to put it mildly!


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[Ozoner]

I imagine there were extensive costs at the hospital if they attempted to save her there, but I do not understand why the parents would be responsible for those bills.

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Thank you liltexans, I missed that part. I never thought about the double tragedy of having to be responsible for a deceased person’s medical bills related to their life-saving efforts. That sucks, to put it mildly!

As others have stated, Ally's parents would NOT be legally responsible for Ally's medical bills (aside from having to use proceeds from Ally's estate to pay her bills).

BetteDavisEyes suggested that they might feel a moral obligation to pay those bills. (Most people wouldn't.)

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

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As others have stated, Ally's parents would NOT be legally responsible for Ally's medical bills (aside from having to use proceeds from Ally's estate to pay her bills).

BetteDavisEyes suggested that they might feel a moral obligation to pay those bills. (Most people wouldn't.)

As parents of an only child who has been married more than 20 years and has a family of her own, if DD was afflicted with a catastrophic illness that burdened her husband, DH and I would probably feel a moral obligation to help pay medical bills. All parents might not feel this way, but we would feel a moral obligation to provide assistance in a time of need.