MI MI - Alexandra Brueger, 31, fatally shot while jogging, Rose Twp, 30 July 2016 #1

[black_squirrel]

I'm still hung up on the fact that she was "only" shot once, and they left her with the possibility of still being alive? Unless there was so much damage (as in close range) to insure she was deceased. Perhaps this was the case, but we don't know. It was mentioned upthread that there was extensive collateral damage above and beyond the entry point, if I understood correctly.

I think there may be several reasons why the killer did not check whether Ally was dead.

The place where Ally collapsed was on private property, near a house. Perhaps the killer felt it was too risky to approach the body.

In the scenario that I imagine, the perpetrator got out of a car before shooting Ally. But I believe she was shot from a distance. So it would take some time (say 20 seconds) to approach the body and to go back to the car (say another 20 seconds). So again the risk of being seen might be too high.

The good samaritan came to the crime scene. The perpetrator might have seen someone coming and fled.
The good samaritan said he was at the pond. I presume this is the pond on his property, about 150-200 yards from the road. The perpetrator may have been as far as 100 yards away from Ally when he shot her. So it is possible that the perpetrator saw the samaritan as he approached the body.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Respectfully snipped, and popping this back up. I have started to go through the entire thread, and this thought really resonates with me. Who at that hospital might have had a serious grudge or bizarre obsession with the Victim? Nurses are often targets for crackpots, and typically are extra cautious when walking to their cars after shift, etc. for this reason.

In particular, I'd be looking very closely at security personnel who worked at the hospital. Any change in behavior, schedule, movement in the days following the Victim's murder?

Anyone with ties to the hospital - maintenance personnel, security guards, patients and/or family members, etc. - would have had to know where Ally lived and that she had recently moved back in with her parents. The hospital where Ally worked is in Novi, and she had been living in that area with ex-boyfriend prior to moving back to Holly/Rose Twp.

 

[JnRyan]

Going on Google Maps and looking at the areas around 11200 Fish Lake Road I see a county park on the east side of the road and 11200 is about the north boundary of the park at least where it comes right up to the road. Looking at info on the park there are trails for equestrians, hikers and mountain bike/cross country cyclists. But as far as hunting goes it appears to be only available to bow hunting per the county web site and then only during the deer season.

https://www.oakgov.com/parks/parksandtrails/Rose-Oaks/Pages/default.aspx

https://www.oakgov.com/parks/recreation/Pages/Hunting.aspx

Going north on Fish Lake Road there is an electrical high power line right-of-way crossing the road. I would imagine that if anyone wanted to go out and test fire a shotgun that would be a possible spot.

I hope LE has asked home owners in that area if they heard shooting on the right-of-way and if they saw anyone out there during that time.

This is all qualified by the fact that Google Maps for Fish Lake Rd. is dated 2009. 7 years before the murder and the landscape could have changed since then.

 

[rosesfromangels]

Going back to comments upthread speculating that someone might have been firing warning shots...

I'm taking this as my first theory, but I'm analyzing it.
Is there anyone who lives on the circuit Alexandra ran who might be annoyed by her running every day? Someone of diminished capacity who saw her as an intruder? Is there anyone along that route that would fall in to this category potentially? Someone with dementia, etc.?

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Going back to comments upthread speculating that someone might have been firing warning shots...

I'm taking this as my first theory, but I'm analyzing it.
Is there anyone who lives on the circuit Alexandra ran who might be annoyed by her running every day? Someone of diminished capacity who saw her as an intruder? Is there anyone along that route that would fall in to this category potentially? Someone with dementia, etc.?

I suggested this a while ago. Folks who live in rural areas like the peace and quiet it affords. Strange vehicles, runners, walkers, etc. might cause dogs to bark because they're unaccustomed to the intrusion of any outsiders. Anyone not living in the immediate area is probably looked on as being somewhat suspicious as it upsets the pastoral environment. It's certainly possible that residents along Ally's running route might not have liked the daily intrusion. :moo:

 

[inmyhumbleopinion]

I would want to know if it is possible to go from Tyler lake road to Fish lake road through the woods without being seen.

It look like I will actually be able to make it out there today!

As to the woods you are talking about, is it the area I circled in red in the ss below?

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[JnRyan]

I suggested this a while ago. Folks who live in rural areas like the peace and quiet it affords. Strange vehicles, runners, walkers, etc. might cause dogs to bark because they're unaccustomed to the intrusion of any outsiders. Anyone not living in the immediate area is probably looked on as being somewhat suspicious as it upsets the pastoral environment. It's certainly possible that residents along Ally's running route might not have liked the daily intrusion. :moo:

Absolutely. My grandmother's farm in the mid-west could only be accessed by a gravel road. We all took note when we heard a vehicle coming down the road and more likely than not grandma knew who they were as they drove past. I would hope that LE has questioned home owner's along that road.

 

[DexterMorgan]

But a grumpy neighbor would have given her a very stern warning from the gate or get go. And she would have mentioned it to someone. Idk

 

[black_squirrel]

It look like I will actually be able to make it out there today!

As to the woods you are talking about, is it the area I circled in red in the ss below?

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Yes.

South of the lake is a private property belonging to a retreat center:

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Maryville-Retreat-Center/494701457262545

I wonder how easy it would be to park there, and go through the woods to fish lake road.

 

[JnRyan]

Yes.

South of the lake is a private property belonging to a retreat center:

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Maryville-Retreat-Center/494701457262545

I wonder how easy it would be to park there, and go through the woods to fish lake road.

Assuming they were on foot. But I thought the witness heard a car and possibly a car door shut.

 

[black_squirrel]

Assuming they were on foot. But I thought the witness heard a car and possibly a car door shut.

I don't think it is clear whether the killer was on foot or by car. Some white/light colored 4-doors sedan car was seen around that time nearby. I don't know if anyone heard a car or a car door.

 

[ThinkThinkThink]

I don't think it is clear whether the killer was on foot or by car. Some white/light colored 4-doors sedan car was seen around that time nearby. I don't know if anyone heard a car or a car door.

This is the element that makes this the most confusing. If the car in the area had nothing whatsoever to do with Ally getting shot, it changes so much. I heard the 911 call of the man who came upon the scene, and he said he thought she may have gotten out of a car and then gotten shot...

So it's hard to know if SAW that -- or saw the car take off and pieced it together, as making the most sense.

 

[DexterMorgan]

This is the element that makes this the most confusing. If the car in the area had nothing whatsoever to do with Ally getting shot, it changes so much. I heard the 911 call of the man who came upon the scene, and he said he thought she may have gotten out of a car and then gotten shot...

So it's hard to know if SAW that -- or saw the car take off and pieced it together, as making the most sense.

If she jogs 10 miles a day during the same route. Then everyone should know her. Like. Thats the lady I see jogging everyday.

So if the guy lives there. He should have known that she is a jogger and would not be in a car. Idk

 

[Elisaa444]

Do these individuals know that they are being quoted? Do they realize that their text messages have been shared on this public forum? Did they give permission for private conversations, texts, etc. to be posted on Websleuths? :thinking:

To answer your questions; my answer to all of them is: I don't know.

None of us here know if they know that they were being quoted on this site. None of us here know if permission was given. Permission could have been given. Since we do not know for sure either could be right (they don't know and didn't give permission or they do know and gave permission.) No one here knows for sure because they have not come forward as a VI on this case on this site.

I said before "many people don't feel comfortable doing that." I should have elaborated. I said that because I was once in the same situation. I was giving my opinions on if a certain close friend of mine did what he was accused on a public forum. It became very uncomfortable and I stopped sharing my opinion/info with the others and I will never do it again. It can be intimidating to share on public forums your opinions when it comes to a tragic situation that involves people you know and your circle of family, friends and acquaintances. So, I'm saying it doesn't speak to me one way or another that they are not being more vocal publicly. They may not even know about this site. Or they could know and are ok with what was quoted and posted. Again, we don't know either way.



Jmo/Moo/Imo/Jmho/Etc.

 

[Spellbound]

And how are we to take it if the quoted persons do not know and are being quoted inaccurately? We have no way to confirm or refute them. I guess we just toss them out with no consideration?

 

[rosesfromangels]

I suggested this a while ago. Folks who live in rural areas like the peace and quiet it affords. Strange vehicles, runners, walkers, etc. might cause dogs to bark because they're unaccustomed to the intrusion of any outsiders. Anyone not living in the immediate area is probably looked on as being somewhat suspicious as it upsets the pastoral environment. It's certainly possible that residents along Ally's running route might not have liked the daily intrusion. :moo:

This just rings true. I think this might be a case where a dementia patient, or someone of diminished capacity, shot at her out of annoyance. This just really makes sense. The other scenarios don't add up.
Either this, or a random drive by wacko thrill kill.

 

[ThinkThinkThink]

"Spellbound" posted the 911 call earlier in the thread... just bumping it forward, for anyone who didn't hear it (thanks, Spellbound):

https://soundcloud.com/wjbk-fox-2-detroit/woman-found-shot-in-rose-twp-911-call

 

[inmyhumbleopinion]

Yes.

South of the lake is a private property belonging to a retreat center:

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Maryville-Retreat-Center/494701457262545

I wonder how easy it would be to park there, and go through the woods to fish lake road.

Thank you for getting back to me, black_squirrel!

So ... I have bad news and good news:

Bad news: No pictures this weekend .

We were actually in the area for a soccer tournament.

Much to the parents’ surprise, our boys’ team kept winning and winning, qualified for the championship game, which they actually won. My initial plan was to spend the afternoon taking photos, but due to his team playing those extra game, it didn’t quite work out the way I had hoped.

Good news: We will be back in Oakland County this coming Sunday for another game (regular season/non-tournament). I should actually have more time to take pictures and videos this time.

I’m so sorry for the disappointment.

In the meantime, if anyone has additional requests, please let me know.

 

[Spellbound]

Thank you for getting back to me, black_squirrel!

So ... I have bad news and good news:

Bad news: No pictures this weekend .

We were actually in the area for a soccer tournament.

Much to the parents’ surprise, our boys’ team kept winning and winning, qualified for the championship game, which they actually won. My initial plan was to spend the afternoon taking photos, but due to his team playing those extra game, it didn’t quite work out the way I had hoped.

Good news: We will be back in Oakland County this coming Sunday for another game (regular season/non-tournament). I should actually have more time to take pictures and videos this time.

I’m so sorry for the disappointment.

In the meantime, if anyone has additional requests, please let me know.

Congratulations to your son's team! And thank you for trying ... and planning for another attempt.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

And how are we to take it if the quoted persons do not know and are being quoted inaccurately? We have no way to confirm or refute them. I guess we just toss them out with no consideration?

Precisely. And, in the case of screen shots, we see only excerpts of "conversations". Who initiated the discussion about Ally's parents? How did the subject come up? I would like to hear/read the entire conversation, not just carefully selected excerpts. We may not get that opportunity until a trial :sigh: