MI MI - Alexandra Brueger, 31, fatally shot while jogging, Rose Twp, 30 July 2016 #1

[MittenScarpetta]

I wonder whether the surveillance images are good enough to show whether the feet are a man's or a woman's.

Is it safe to say LE believes the the feet are men’s since they initially went after a male suspect and then cleared him of being involved?

 

[Ozoner]

Is it safe to say LE believes the the feet are men’s since they initially went after a male suspect and then cleared him of being involved?

Probably? If only the perp's feet were in frame, the cops might not be able to gauge the sex. The size would be a guide, but some women have really big feet. (Women's feet are getting bigger, probably due to participation in sports.)

 

[JnRyan]

I can envision a scenario where this killer was made at joggers or cyclists out on the roads. I know from experience both jogging and cycling that you come aggressive motorists. Just recently there was a local newspaper article on cyclists and I'd venture to guess 70% to 90% of the online comments were hostile with some even threatening to hit them with an open car door or run them off the road.

Another is that maybe Alexandra may have passed this person while they were out shooting off the road. He makes a cat call or sexually inappropriate loud comment and she verbally responds. Someone with strong sociopath tendencies may have got in the car after her and the shooting was the result.

In either of these scenarios - or a number of others we could come up with - Alexandra would not necessarily know her killer. Could she have known her killer? It's possible, but I'm not convinced she did to the exclusion of random killing.

 

[Hazelnutty]

Are there photos / video of suspect on an earlier thread ?

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[tnith]

I can envision a scenario where this killer was made at joggers or cyclists out on the roads. I know from experience both jogging and cycling that you come aggressive motorists. Just recently there was a local newspaper article on cyclists and I'd venture to guess 70% to 90% of the online comments were hostile with some even threatening to hit them with an open car door or run them off the road.

Another is that maybe Alexandra may have passed this person while they were out shooting off the road. He makes a cat call or sexually inappropriate loud comment and she verbally responds. Someone with strong sociopath tendencies may have got in the car after her and the shooting was the result.

In either of these scenarios - or a number of others we could come up with - Alexandra would not necessarily know her killer. Could she have known her killer? It's possible, but I'm not convinced she did to the exclusion of random killing.

Musing on the locals mentions about their reactions to shots fired that day.

Meditating on the nature of these neighbors, that they reacted to something we might consider normal for their area with trepidation enough to seek legal intervention.

 

[Spellbound]

I wonder whether the surveillance images are good enough to show whether the feet are a man's or a woman's.

And I wonder where the surveillance came from, I thought none of the neighbors had cameras. But I have been wrong before.

 

[Spellbound]

Are there photos / video of suspect on an earlier thread ?

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None, Hazelnutty. Sorry.

 

[JnRyan]

The police mentioned "evidence found at the crime scene" as part of their theory that Ally knew her killer. I think we can infer that she wasn't shot from an especially great distance. Since the shooter only hit her with one shot out of four, the shooter was probably either unskilled or too enraged to take aim carefully.

Or both. There is a common misconception among new and inexperienced hunters that a shotgun throws out a very wide pattern and you don't need to aim - just point in general direction. I can envision the killer shooting from the hip or otherwise not bringing the gun to their shoulder. Even a shotgun with a 21" barrel may only have an 18" pattern at 25 yards. That may sound like a very wide pattern, but if a person is shooting from the hip like they show in the movies and TV they may miss a running target by 3-6 feet.

I once watched a teenage hunter get surprised by a running deer and fire 3 shots from about 15 yards. Missed with all of them. He never raised the gun to his shoulder. When we walked with him over to where the deer had been we found a 8"-10" pattern of buckshot on a tree the deer ran in front of. It was 7 feet up the tree. He missed the deer with that shot by 3-4 feet. Excitement and inexperience.

 

[Spellbound]

Far fetched thought: maybe the shooter was actually trying to scare her by shooting around her and did not intend to actually shoot her dead. From what LE said, she was hit in the back and it hit a major artery or vessel or whatever his terminology was. If so, then he/she is very afraid to come forward now.

 

[tnith]

As far as I knew, victim shaming isn’t allowed here.

Who said Ally was in financial straits?

Why is a trip odd for a runner?!

Snipped by me.

It's almost like no one was able to tell Nikki's words when another repeated them... which really proved the point I was wondering about there.

Subjective Interpretation is a strange thing.

Of course I agree with all that was said, but like the game of Telephone... it's not quite the truth anymore after a pass or 2.

 

[JnRyan]

Far fetched thought: maybe the shooter was actually trying to scare her by shooting around her and did not intend to actually shoot her dead. From what LE said, she was hit in the back and it hit a major artery or vessel or whatever his terminology was. If so, then he/she is very afraid to come forward now.

That had not occurred to me and now that it has it is not all that far fetched. Not that it gives them an excuse or defense because they pointed a firearm at person and pulled the trigger. I don't believe it is a strong possibility, but one that could have happened.

 

[rosesfromangels]

I wonder what type of nurse AB was? Could an aggrieved family member/ friend of a patient that passed away under AB's care have blamed AB for their loved ones death and sought revenge on AB?

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Respectfully snipped, and popping this back up. I have started to go through the entire thread, and this thought really resonates with me. Who at that hospital might have had a serious grudge or bizarre obsession with the Victim? Nurses are often targets for crackpots, and typically are extra cautious when walking to their cars after shift, etc. for this reason.

In particular, I'd be looking very closely at security personnel who worked at the hospital. Any change in behavior, schedule, movement in the days following the Victim's murder?

 

[rosesfromangels]

That had not occurred to me and now that it has it is not all that far fetched. Not that it gives them an excuse or defense because they pointed a firearm at person and pulled the trigger. I don't believe it is a strong possibility, but one that could have happened.

One shot maybe, but not four.
My initial thought was that they were a lousy shot if they fired four. However, if she were running away and zigzagging, they were a marksman.

Now here's a question for all of you. Why leave her with one shot, with the possibility of survival? Why, once down, didn't they insure she was deceased with more bullets? Or perhaps the damage from the bullet that hit was so extensive it was obvious she was deceased?

Sorry for this gruesome line of thinking, but it's important.
Unless the Victim was blown apart (I'm so sorry to say that), then why would the Perp leave her without knowing, absolutely, that she was deceased?

If there is any credence to the above speculation, then this was absolutely some random crackpot killing.

All amateur speculation and opinion only.
Let's find this miscreant.

 

[Jennifer17]

Respectfully snipped, and popping this back up. I have started to go through the entire thread, and this thought really resonates with me. Who at that hospital might have had a serious grudge or bizarre obsession with the Victim? Nurses are often targets for crackpots, and typically are extra cautious when walking to their cars after shift, etc. for this reason.

In particular, I'd be looking very closely at security personnel who worked at the hospital. Any change in behavior, schedule, movement in the days following the Victim's murder?

I think that resentment at the death of a patient is usually directed at doctors, not nurses.

 

[Jennifer17]

One shot maybe, but not four.
My initial thought was that they were a lousy shot if they fired four. However, if she were running away and zigzagging, they were a marksman.

Now here's a question for all of you. Why leave her with one shot, with the possibility of survival? Why, once down, didn't they insure she was deceased with more bullets? Or perhaps the damage from the bullet that hit was so extensive it was obvious she was deceased?

Sorry for this gruesome line of thinking, but it's important.
Unless the Victim was blown apart (I'm so sorry to say that), then why would the Perp leave her without knowing, absolutely, that she was deceased?

If there is any credence to the above speculation, then this was absolutely some random crackpot killing.

All amateur speculation and opinion only.
Let's find this miscreant.

He saw her fall, he may not have known how many shots hit her. We do not know if the last shot hit her or the first.

 

[rosesfromangels]

He saw her fall, he may not have known how many shots hit her. We do not know if the last shot hit her or the first.

Replying to your last two posts.
Yes, you are prolly right...wrath would more likely be directed to an M.D. if a patient were lost. However, we shouldn't dismiss the notion of some obsessed co-worker, if even loosely connected like a maintenance worker, etc.

Regarding the shots fired. Yes, good point. Yet, that still doesn't explain why they didn't make absolute certain she was deceased by inflicting more shots. I'm just stuck on the fact she was only hit once, and they left her that way with the possibility of survival?

 

[Jennifer17]

Replying to your last two posts.
Yes, you are prolly right...wrath would more likely be directed to an M.D. if a patient were lost. However, we shouldn't dismiss the notion of some obsessed co-worker, if even loosely connected like a maintenance worker, etc.

Regarding the shots fired. Yes, good point. Yet, that still doesn't explain why they didn't make absolute certain she was deceased by inflicting more shots. I'm just stuck on the fact she was only hit once, and they left her that way with the possibility of survival?

First bolded by me. But that can happen in any workplace, not just nurses.

Second bolded, Maybe they just wanted to get out of there fast, so as to be not detected or actually shocked that when you shoot someone that you have actually wounded and could have killed them?

 

[rosesfromangels]

I'm still hung up on the fact that she was "only" shot once, and they left her with the possibility of still being alive? Unless there was so much damage (as in close range) to insure she was deceased. Perhaps this was the case, but we don't know. It was mentioned upthread that there was extensive collateral damage above and beyond the entry point, if I understood correctly.

 

[Jennifer17]

I'm still hung up on the fact that she was "only" shot once, and they left her with the possibility of still being alive? Unless there was so much damage (as in close range) to insure she was deceased. Perhaps this was the case, but we don't know. It was mentioned upthread that there was extensive collateral damage above and beyond the entry point, if I understood correctly.

Or maybe panic that they had actually done it? Fantasised about in their rage but when it came to the act, shot blindly.

 

[Ozoner]

Far fetched thought: maybe the shooter was actually trying to scare her by shooting around her and did not intend to actually shoot her dead. From what LE said, she was hit in the back and it hit a major artery or vessel or whatever his terminology was. If so, then he/she is very afraid to come forward now.

I almost posted the exact same thought the other day, but then I decided it wasn't very likely. But maybe the shooter intended to miss; maybe he or she didn't understand that buckshot spreads out at a distance.

The trouble is, you'd think someone who shot her accidentally might have had some remorse and rendered aid or called the cops.