MI MI - Alexandra Brueger, 31, Fatally Shot While Jogging, Rose Twp, 30 July 2016 #3

[Rave1953]

Maybe she was getting calls that she did not want to take and wanted a bit of peace.

I asked Nikki about the phone. She said because it had rained all morning, and looked like it could start up again, she didn't take the phone. She had on shorts with no pockets. She was on familiar roads that she ran every day for 10 years. She was probably very comfortable leaving without her phone. Sadly, this bad decision on her part cost her life.

 

[Shiressleuth]

Ok so LE will definitely have A's phone and can check the validity of the texts and calls on her phone.

Regarding polygraphs have all suspects now taken them? Eg. All the exes?

(Everyone is a suspect minus those who are now cleared so have others been cleared by poly I am wondering? )

Eta probably a good time to post this link. Apologies if it has been posted before.

The Truth About Lie Detectors (aka Polygraph Tests)

 

[inmyhumbleopinion]

Yet they expressed love to each other on the texts Saturday morning at 4:45 AM. That doesn't seem to indicate "something happened Friday night at work", or that "someone ended the relationship".
UNSOLVED - Mi - Alexandra Brueger, 31, Fatally Shot While Jogging, Rose Twp, 30 July 2016 #2

Jul 30, 2016, 4:45 AM
Texts, per screenshots:
Ally – Lol why are you making artwork
Wes – I’m bored and she loves love
Ally – Lol : ) I love you
Wes – I love you too : )

In the most recent article by Vera, Lt. Shaw states the FBI is not involved in the investigation (I realize that their profilers assisted early on, but in the article, he is talking about the current status of the investigation, IMO).

Wes told us that they were multiple times. He even posted “ALL we’ve been told this far is ‘we have agents in Germany and if we need to bring him back to the country.... we will!’” The phone call never even took place.

I choose to believe Lt. Shaw, and thus believe this was a lie, and a pretty elaborate one at that, IMO. It is also telling, IMO, that Wes has not even attempted to explain the discrepancy between what he said and what Lt. Shaw says. I wonder why he felt the need to tell us that the FBI was involved.

So at this point, I am not entirely convinced that those texts are authentic. Even if they are authentic, they do not tell us what time the

“Ally – Lol : ) I love you
Wes – I love you too : )”

exchange took place because as Wes himself pointed out, “iPhone only shows dates and times sporadically.” So even if the conversation started at 4:45 am, the “I love you” part could have happened much later, IMO.

Possible scenario (MOO):

There is a heated exchange between Ally and Wes after he texts “I’m bored and she loves love.”

I wonder about this particularly because of the conversation in the first screenshot where Wes tells Ally he tells her he will be off for ten days starting the following Tuesday and then she tells him she works Monday and Friday.

Following the cat conversation, Ally texts to Wes something like “By the way, I’m flying out to FL on Tuesday after I get off of work that morning and flying back Friday morning before I have to go into work. Excited!” Wes asks “What for!?” Ally texts back “I’m going to hang out with so-and-so (the ex-boyfriend who now resides in FL).”

Wes is enraged. At some point between the exchange and they both get off of work at 7 am, he steals her phone (I’m sorry I’m stuck on this “Ally’s phone goes missing theory”; though it doesn’t make much sense to me, it may be that she really left her phone at home as she set out for her run because it was raining, as explained by Nikki), so that he can get the FL friend’s contact info and threaten him, or even pretend to be Ally and tell the ex-beau she is no longer coming, etc.

Wes gets angrier and angrier over the next couple of hours. He decides he cannot let this FL trip happen and decides to scare Ally into not going, but he doesn’t have much time: Ally is leaving Tuesday morning, and as he is working Sat., Sun. and Monday (I have no idea when Ally planned to go to FL, but the work schedule is what Wes has shared with us).

So he decides to go ahead and confront Ally that day. Since Ally’s phone is in his possession at this point, he deletes the angry exchange between the two from earlier, texts “Lol : ) I love you” from her phone to his own and then texts back “I love you too : ).”

Just in case things go bad, he leaves his phone at home to make it appear as though he never left home. He also turns Ally’s phone off, so that it cannot be traced.

He is aware of Ally’s jogging schedule (from the CWD article: “her ‘usual’ afternoon run”), so he parks near the Brueger residence just as Ally sets out for her run. A confrontation ensues. She is shot dead; if she survives, she can identify the perpetrator.

In the midst of the chaos, Ally’s phone gets left at the scene, and later it is recovered by LE. They learn that she told someone earlier in the day she couldn’t find her phone, leading them to theorize the perpetrator was someone who had ready access to her phone.

MOO

 

[Shiressleuth]

I asked Nikki about the phone. She said because it had rained all morning, and looked like it could start up again, she didn't take the phone. She had on shorts with no pockets. She was on familiar roads that she ran every day for 10 years. She was probably very comfortable leaving without her phone. Sadly, this bad decision on her part cost her life.

I can't see how leaving without her phone cost her her life. The guy who heard the shots and saw her called 911 immediately.

How could having her phone have helped in this scenario?

 

[mommylicious]

I can't see how leaving without her phone cost her her life. The guy who heard the shots and saw her called 911 immediately.

How could having her phone have helped in this scenario?

Unless she noticed something suspicious and was able to pull her phone out to call/scare off someone? But since we don't know what happened really, we don't know if it would have made a difference or not. That said, I can't imagine not taking my phone with me when I run, even if it's going to be rainy. Not a fan of running in the rain, personally, but the times I have, I put my phone in a Ziploc so I still have it.

 

[Shiressleuth]

In the most recent article by Vera, Lt. Shaw states the FBI is not involved in the investigation (I realize that their profilers assisted early on, but in the article, he is talking about the current status of the investigation, IMO).

Wes told us that they were multiple times. He even posted “ALL we’ve been told this far is ‘we have agents in Germany and if we need to bring him back to the country.... we will!’” The phone call never even took place.

I choose to believe Lt. Shaw, and thus believe this was a lie, and a pretty elaborate one at that, IMO. It is also telling, IMO, that Wes has not even attempted to explain the discrepancy between what he said and what Lt. Shaw says. I wonder why he felt the need to tell us that the FBI was involved.

So at this point, I am not entirely convinced that those texts are authentic. Even if they are authentic, they do not tell us what time the

“Ally – Lol : ) I love you
Wes – I love you too : )”

exchange took place because as Wes himself pointed out, “iPhone only shows dates and times sporadically.” So even if the conversation started at 4:45 am, the “I love you” part could have happened much later, IMO.

Possible scenario (MOO):

There is a heated exchange between Ally and Wes after he texts “I’m bored and she loves love.”

I wonder about this particularly because of the conversation in the first screenshot where Wes tells Ally he tells her he will be off for ten days starting the following Tuesday and then she tells him she works Monday and Friday.

Following the cat conversation, Ally texts to Wes something like “By the way, I’m flying out to FL on Tuesday after I get off of work that morning and flying back Friday morning before I have to go into work. Excited!” Wes asks “What for!?” Ally texts back “I’m going to hang out with so-and-so (the ex-boyfriend who now resides in FL).”

Wes is enraged. At some point between the exchange and they both get off of work at 7 am, he steals her phone (I’m sorry I’m stuck on this “Ally’s phone goes missing theory”; though it doesn’t make much sense to me, it may be that she really left her phone at home as she set out for her run because it was raining, as explained by Nikki), so that he can get the FL friend’s contact info and threaten him, or even pretend to be Ally and tell the ex-beau she is no longer coming, etc.

Wes gets angrier and angrier over the next couple of hours. He decides he cannot let this FL trip happen and decides to scare Ally into not going, but he doesn’t have much time: Ally is leaving Tuesday morning, and as he is working Sat., Sun. and Monday (I have no idea when Ally planned to go to FL, but the work schedule is what Wes has shared with us).

So he decides to go ahead and confront Ally that day. Since Ally’s phone is in his possession at this point, he deletes the angry exchange between the two from earlier, texts “Lol : ) I love you” from her phone to his own and then texts back “I love you too : ).”

Just in case things go bad, he leaves his phone at home to make it appear as though he never left home. He also turns Ally’s phone off, so that it cannot be traced.

He is aware of Ally’s jogging schedule (from the CWD article: “her ‘usual’ afternoon run”), so he parks near the Brueger residence just as Ally sets out for her run. A confrontation ensues. She is shot dead; if she survives, she can identify the perpetrator.

In the midst of the chaos, Ally’s phone gets left at the scene, and later it is recovered by LE. They learn that she told someone earlier in the day she couldn’t find her phone, leading them to theorize the perpetrator was someone who had ready access to her phone.

MOO

I don't think texts can be deleted once sent. And now Rave has confirmed why A didn't have it on her and left it at home. Where did he get the shotgun and know where she was going jogging? Especially if he had stolen her phone.

 

[inmyhumbleopinion]

I don't think texts can be deleted once sent. And now Rave has confirmed why A didn't have it on her and left it at home. Where did he get the shotgun and know where she was going jogging? Especially if he had stolen her phone.

I’m so sorry, I hadn’t seen Rave’s post yet!

As to sent texts, I can delete on my iPhone.

 

[Shiressleuth]

I’m so sorry, I hadn’t seen Rave’s post yet!

As to sent texts, I can delete on my iPhone.

That's ok. I meant actually delete them from the system wherever they are stored. Eg. They are probably just hidden from view in an archive folder or something. NB may have just said that if LE had asked her to I guess. I'm just poking holes.

 

[Shiressleuth]

The tributes were sent to me voluntarily at the request of Ally's friends and family. I did not solicit them - I collected them and arranged for editing, layout, etc. The one time I did include his comments in an Ally article, Nikki took offense to what he said and submitted a letter to the editor disputing some of the things he said. He told me after that he would never be quoted by me again. I contacted him a second time for a quote and he ignored it. So no, I didn't bother.

What were the comments that drew the complaint to the editor. Did you have to remove them?

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

2 years later, Oakland County jogger's shooting death remains unsolved

 

[Shiressleuth]

Hey BDE I just spotted this and was about to post.

Let's hope for more articles.

Eta Hunting and gunshots are a regular occurrence and first murder for 20 years.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Nothing yet, but this is the primary newspaper for Oakland County. Ally's murder was previously covered by Oakland Press. Local News

 

[SeesSeas]

One year ago:
Family of jogger killed in Rose Township asking for public's help to solve murder
Posted: 11:29 PM, July 31, 2017
Updated: 11:29 PM, July 31, 2017
[...]
Nikki and Franz Brueger don't believe their daughter's attacker was someone she knew. Each of them has a different theory of what could have happened to Ally.

"The person who did this, they crossed paths, and something was said. That person got upset, went home and got a shotgun and came back because who would ride around with a shotgun? Yes there's people that do, but, like, it doesn't make any sense. So again, to me, it could be someone in the neighborhood or close by," Franz said.

Nikki Brueger believes someone tried to kidnap Ally.

"Because she was so small, she looked really young. She was 31 but she looked like she was 17. When she ran, she looked like a kid and I think someone tried to abduct her by gunpoint," Nikki Brueger said. "I know for a fact she would never have gotten in anyone's car ever because these are things we talked about."
[...]

 

[inmyhumbleopinion]

That's ok. I meant actually delete them from the system wherever they are stored. Eg. They are probably just hidden from view in an archive folder or something. NB may have just said that if LE had asked her to I guess. I'm just poking holes.

Good point.

Besides, now that we know Ally’s phone was at home per Rave’s earlier post (“I asked Nikki about the phone. She said because it had rained all morning, and looked like it could start up again, she didn't take the phone.”), and thus it was not in Wes’ possession, even if he deleted texts from his phone, they still would have been found on Ally’s.

Now I’m wondering if the “I love you”’s were really the last words Ally and Wes said to each other. We only have Wes’ words that they were, IIRC.

Maybe those were the last texts they sent to each other but then there was a phone conversation after they got off of work in which words were exchanged. It could even be that there was an angry text exchange and LE has recovered it from their phones, but it wouldn’t prove anything anyway.

As far as where he could have gotten a shotgun, he might have already had one in his apartment. Or he could have stopped at a friend’s or a family member’s house and borrowed one. Either way, he could have easily gotten rid of it after the murder. As far as the person he might have borrowed the gun from, they would probably be too scared to contact LE.

Personally, I believe Wes was very familiar with Ally’s jogging route (per Rave upthread: “She was on familiar roads that she ran every day for 10 years”).

 

[bluesneakers]

I’m so sorry, I hadn’t seen Rave’s post yet!

As to sent texts, I can delete on my iPhone.

It's easy to delete them and remove entire chunks of conversations. What one person's phone shows is not necessarily how a conversation went.

For example, not saying this was what happened, just a demonstration:

a: I love you.
b: I love you too
b: but we can't stay together
b: It's over
b: I never want to see you again
a: Oh yeah? That's what you think!
a: I'll see you tomorrow!

can easily turn into:

a: I love you
b: I love you too
a: I'll see you tomorrow!

 

[Kankan]

It's easy to delete them and remove entire chunks of conversations. What one person's phone shows is not necessarily how a conversation went.

For example, not saying this was what happened, just a demonstration:

a: I love you.
b: I love you too
b: but we can't stay together
b: It's over
b: I never want to see you again
a: Oh yeah? That's what you think!
a: I'll see you tomorrow!

can easily turn into:

a: I love you
b: I love you too
a: I'll see you tomorrow!

Right but her phone was at home so it would have shown the full conversation if that’s what happened. Also it would be odd if LE didn’t get phone records to look for any suspicious calls, messages or behavior.

 

[Kankan]

I can't see how leaving without her phone cost her her life. The guy who heard the shots and saw her called 911 immediately.

How could having her phone have helped in this scenario?

I can see how having her phone could have saved her life. If it was an altercation gone bad when things got heated she could have called 911 or started recording. That would be a huge deterrent to the person that shot her. It could have ended the altercation instead of letting it evolve. It could have stopped the person and saved her life.

 

[bluesneakers]

Right but her phone was at home so it would have shown the full conversation if that’s what happened. Also it would be odd if LE didn’t get phone records to look for any suspicious calls, messages or behavior.

I'm not talking about what's on her phone. I'm talking about how someone could delete texts and then show someone a conversation that shows something other than what it is. AFAIK we haven't seen any screen shots of her phone.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Family, detectives still looking for clues in murder of Ally Brueger

MSP: parents no longer considered suspects

 

[SeesSeas]

The tributes were sent to me voluntarily at the request of Ally's friends and family. I did not solicit them - I collected them and arranged for editing, layout, etc. The one time I did include his comments in an Ally article, Nikki took offense to what he said and submitted a letter to the editor disputing some of the things he said. He told me after that he would never be quoted by me again. I contacted him a second time for a quote and he ignored it. So no, I didn't bother.

@Rave1953 -
RE:The one time I did include his comments in an Ally article, Nikki took offense to what he said and submitted a letter to the editor disputing some of the things he said.

I don't find Nikki's 'letter to the editor' at this link. Is it available?
Letters To The Editor

Here is your article with Wes' comments, and it's so lovely that I wonder what Nikki disputed:
Jogger’s death continues to haunt family, community
Dec 29, 2017
In addition to her parents, Ally is mourned by her boyfriend, 30-year-old Weston “Wes” Sutherland. He is a Neuro ICU patient care technician at Providence Park Hospital in Novi, where he and Ally met. They dated for two and a half years. “Our first date was on New Year’s Eve,” he said.

 “I wasn’t prepared to lose Ally,” he said. “I served six years in the Army as a combat medic with the infantry. I spent two years in Iraq and lost many good friends. It was extremely painful but I was mentally prepared for that reality.

 “I wasn’t prepared to lose Ally. She was smart, adorable, funny, and the most kind-hearted person you could meet. Ally was my best friend and I loved her more than anything in the world,” he said.

 “Ally’s death turned my world upside down and my life will never be the same without her; as I know is true for her family, friends, and anyone who knew her,” Sutherland said.

 “I’ve slowly had to accept that she’s gone, but no explanation, no one held to account for what they did to her that day — that’s not something I’ll ever be able to accept,” he said. “The hunt will continue until the monster that took her away from us is held to account.”