GUILTY MI - Carnel Chamberlain, 4, Mount Pleasant, 21 June 2012 #1

[Cubby]

http://www.mlive.com/news/saginaw/index.ssf/2012/06/carnel_chamberlains_mother_rec.html

MOUNT PLEASANT, MI — The last time Jaimee Chamberlain saw her son, Carnel Chamberlain, he was inside their home on East Tomah Road watching cartoons about 3:45 p.m. on Thursday, June 21.


When she returned from work waiting tables at a nearby restaurant about 9:30 p.m., Carnel was gone.



So here is our timeframe...

Chamberlain who is employed as a hostess in one of the Soaring Eagle Casino restaurants worked a 3:45 pm to 10 pm shift on Thursday.
[url]http://www.nativenewsnetwork.com/fou...l-missing.html[/URL]

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Wait a minute. Mom said she worked a shift from 3:45pm to 10:00 pm.

How could she be both at home and at work at 3:45pm? Was she late for work? Or does MSM have it wrong?

 

[laniefi]

Chamberlain who is employed as a hostess in one of the Soaring Eagle Casino restaurants worked a 3:45 pm to 10 pm shift on Thursday.
http://www.nativenewsnetwork.com/fou...l-missing.html

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Wait a minute. Mom said she worked a shift from 3:45pm to 10:00 pm.

How could she be both at home and at work at 3:45pm? Was she late for work? Or does MSM have it wrong?

I think the mom said work was "right down the street"...Maybe she was a few minutes late...she got home early at 9:30pm. I'm sure we can look @ the map but my DD is about to wake up from her nap!

 

[laniefi]

4 hours and 45 minutes.....

 

[Cubby]

It's very close. Within a few miles distance between her home and her job. Still most people who drive short distances don't confuse the time they arrive with the time they left.

It's possible that MSM mixed it up. Especially if she said she the last time she saw her son was when she left for her 3:45 shift, or something similiar.

 

[Jacie Estes]

The way the tribal law works is that the tribal law can be handled by the tribal police, however the tribal police had the FBI step in and handed over the case. This happens when they feel as if it is above them or, in this particular case, because the federal law can pursue death penalty and tribal police can't.

edit: What the person above me said, you beat me at the quick draw.

I am still searching for the Tribal Law Code for the Saginaw/Chippewa Tribe of the Isabella Rez.

The Federal Death Penalty Act of 1994 conditionally eliminated
the death penalty for Native American defendants prosecuted
under the Major Crimes Act or the General Crimes
Act, subject to the penalty being reinstated by a tribe’s governing
body. [further text here...]

http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2010/10/26/09-30193.pdf

Michigan Lawmakers Reaffirm State's Longstanding Ban on Capital Punishment - In a vote upholding the state's longstanding abolition of the death penalty, Michigan lawmakers refused to support a measure that would have put capital punishment before state voters in a referendum. The vote fell 18 short of the 2/3 required for passage. During a lengthy House debate regarding the bill, Representative Jack Minor (D-Flint) told his colleagues that studies show crime rates are lower in states without the death penalty. He noted, "The death penalty's not a deterrent. In fact, the figures would suggest it's just the opposite." Other opponents of the measure stated that "revenge" would not help victims' families. Michigan has not had the death penalty for 158 years, and voters have not addressed the issue since its abolition was included in the 1963 revision of the state constitution. Michigan is one of 12 states in the U.S. that does not have a death penalty. (Michigan Live, March 19, 2004) The state was the first English speaking government in the world to ban the practice

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/det...alty-have-had-consistently-lower-murder-rates

Federal Capital Punishment
Currently, there are 17 men on death row for committing a federal crime; no one has been executed since 1963. In 1988 the federal death penalty was expanded by a statute commonly known as the "drug kingpin" murder provision, which allows the penalty to be imposed for murder in the course of a drug-kingpin conspiracy. Since its enactment, six people have been sentenced to death but none executed.

The Violent Crime and Law Enforcement Act (1994) increased to 60 (from 10) the federal crimes punishable by death, including murdering certain government officials, kidnapping resulting in death, murder for hire, fatal drive-by shootings, sexual abuse crimes resulting in death, car jacking resulting in death, and certain crimes not resulting in death (including running a large-scale drug enterprise). Since 1994, 12 people have been sentenced to death under this expanded federal penalty, but none has been executed. The Anti-Terrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act (1996) further limits federal prisoners’ use of habeas corpus, by requiring federal courts to defer to previous state court decisions if the decisions are "reasonable."

http://www.michiganinbrief.org/edition06/text/issues/issue-19.htm

 

[~n/t~]

Not with the heat, he would not have been safer sitting in a car. I'm really rather surprised you suggested that, considering how many children die from being left in a hot car in the summer time.

Though, I do agree with the rest of your post. I don't understand why no one else was available to watch Carnel. Who watched Carnel before AB came around?

I have a feeling the facts about this case are going to become much much worse as time goes on. Anthony Bennet is really reminding me of Nathan Sloop right about now. I can't help but find myself wondering if what little Carnel went through was similiar to what little Ethan Stacy went through, for days? Did Carnel need medical attention when his mother left for work the day he 'disappeared'? Or was this something else?

My heart breaks for little Carnel and what he must have endured at the hands of that monster his mother left him with.

I had the same thought this morning about this becoming worse as time goes on but in my thoughts precious Robert Manwill came to mind.....and that's all I'm going to say.

My heart breaks for Carnel and what he had to endure up until his death.

 

[~n/t~]

I'd like to bring up the fact that she herself may have been being abused by this man. There are many forms of abuse and just because she wasn't covered in bruises doesn't mean she's not hurting too. I've heard mention of a domestic violence shelter but if you look at his behavior how do you think he would have reacted if she broke up with him?

I'm not excusing her or justifying, I'm just saying there could be far more than we'll ever know because we weren't there.

No we weren't there but we heard and read what she said and to me, that is more than enough to form an opinion.

IMO, if I came home from work and my felon bf told me to sit down and tell him I loved him before showing me my son's bruised swollen face from beatings, I think the only love I'd show him after that would be a love he'd never felt before.

 

[JusticeforCarnel]

Jaimee had just started working at the casino... We both were in orrientation together in the end of may-early june. That is probably when AB started watching him for her. Also I just heard from a cousin of Carnel's that there was a case a few years ago of a murder of another tribal member named Auggie... He was cut into pieces and burned... People are talking that AB may have been involved in that. His face feather is probably a gang sign.

 

[Cubby]

Jaimee had just started working at the casino... We both were in orrientation together in the end of may-early june. That is probably when AB started watching him for her. Also I just heard from a cousin of Carnel's that there was a case a few years ago of a murder of another tribal member named Auggie... He was cut into pieces and burned... People are talking that AB may have been involved in that. His face feather is probably a gang sign.

Interesting. MSM addressed the problem with these rumors in Auggie's case several years back, link to that MSM article here at WS in Auggie's thread.....

Auggie's thread can be found here:

MI MI - Augustine Floyd, 18, Mt. Pleasant, 12 Oct 2007 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community


Since Auggie's body has never been found, it can not be verified he was cut up and burned.

Auggie is still missing. His body has never been found. Nor was the car he drove the night be disappeared ever found.

ETA: AFAIK, no one has ever been charged with Auggie's disappearance and/or murder. It appears his disappearance is being investigated as a possible homicide.

 

[kimlynn]

I'd like to bring up the fact that she herself may have been being abused by this man. There are many forms of abuse and just because she wasn't covered in bruises doesn't mean she's not hurting too. I've heard mention of a domestic violence shelter but if you look at his behavior how do you think he would have reacted if she broke up with him?

I'm not excusing her or justifying, I'm just saying there could be far more than we'll ever know because we weren't there.

So out of fear she sacrificed her child to abuse to protect herself? Lovely. And that would be assuming she was a victim of abuse from this man.
I'm sorry for her loss,but even a much younger person would know better than to let a live in handle correction of a child,especially when it ends in bruising and a split lip.
She loved the child,but how much did she care about him?
Rest in Peace,Carnel.

 

[migranny]

Please don't judge this mother, unless you have walked in her shoes. She is telling the truth even though it causes her to be severely criticized.

 

[Cubby]

Where is the anger and animosity towards the person who is believe to have actually murdered and buried this child while his mother was at work?

Anthony Bennett is believed to be responsible for murdering Carnel. Not anyone else. Carnel died at the hands of Anthony Bennett. Yes, Carnels mother made a poor decision to leave her son in the care of this monster. We don't know if both she and Carnel were victims of abuse. We don't know what kind of promises AB made saying he'd never do it again, and he was so sorry. Promises that many abusers make.

Where is the anger at the person responsible - who has been charged with abusing this child? Last I knew only ONE person had been charged, that person being Anthony Bennett.

 

[ToosieJoie33]

Did the construction workers immediately report they saw a fire burning thru the chimney and smelled flesh the day Carnel went missing? Also, the neighbor who said she smelled barbq like smells that day? Wasn't it odd the fireplace was burning as hot as it was?

 

[kimlynn]

Please don't judge this mother, unless you have walked in her shoes. She is telling the truth even though it causes her to be severely criticized.

I truly am sorry for her loss as I know she didn't see this coming,but I do think she was wrong in allowing this man to abuse her child.
And it was abuse.Youth or the way one grew up has nothing to do with it.
People have outside sources to information on proper methods in the correction of children.

IMO

 

[ToosieJoie33]

I pray he gets the death penalty. As soon as he gets to jail, the inmates will take care of him.

 

[kimlynn]

Where is the anger and animosity towards the person who is believe to have actually murdered and buried this child while his mother was at work?

Anthony Bennett is believed to be responsible for murdering Carnel. Not anyone else. Carnel died at the hands of Anthony Bennett. Yes, Carnels mother made a poor decision to leave her son in the care of this monster. We don't know if both she and Carnel were victims of abuse. We don't know what kind of promises AB made saying he'd never do it again, and he was so sorry. Promises that many abusers make.

Where is the anger at the person responsible - who has been charged with abusing this child? Last I knew only ONE person had been charged, that person being Anthony Bennett.

I think it's okay to have anger toward the killer as well as question the actions (or in this case) lack of action of the parent of the child.
I'm aware that she is a victim as well due to the loss of her son.

IMO

 

[migranny]

I truly am sorry for her loss as I know she didn't see this coming,but I do think she was wrong in allowing this man to abuse her child.
And it was abuse.Youth or the way one grew up has nothing to do with it.
People have outside sources to information on proper methods in the correction of children.

IMO

What out side sources did she have? Who could protect her and her child if she spoke against him or tried to throw him out? Maybe the reason she got the job was to save money and get away.

 

[ToosieJoie33]

I think you are right. There are more horror stories to come. After hearing what the construction workers sid I don't doubt Carnel died on Wednesday. They said they didn't see him Thursday. On Nancy Grace Jaimee contradicted herself several times. For one, she said he was wearing something different than the angry bird etc. Then she said she called home during her shift and the bf said the Carnel was missing. Finally, how could Bennett bury Carnel under the house with no one seeing him? I mean, I have been by both the front and back of the house and there are neighbors all around and it is a wide open field as well. Nothing is obstructing the view.

 

[kimlynn]

What out side sources did she have? Who could protect her and her child if she spoke against him or tried to throw him out? Maybe the reason she got the job was to save money and get away.

Mainly I was thinking about earlier posts that were saying she may have grown up in an abusive household as though to say how you grew up is all that you will ever know in life.That is what I meant by outside sources being available to all when it comes to what is proper in rearing a child.
Bottom line, most would know that what happened to Carnel was abusive.
As far as actual sources for help in leaving....I don't know that she was trying to leave,but I would like to think that help would have been available to her and Carnel.
All that it would have taken for me is the first time he struck the child.A way would have been found.

IMO

 

[ToosieJoie33]

Her Aunt and Uncle (who care for her for a few years) lived right next door. She could have called the tribal police. There is a program on the reservation to help. SHE CHOSE not to kick the bf out and ultimately it cost Carnel his life. The way he was murdered was sadistic