GUILTY MI - Carnel Chamberlain, 4, Mount Pleasant, 21 June 2012 #2

[Knox]

She's an "unusual" mother, and according to news reports has been so throughout their lives. *sits on hands*

Michele Gutierrez, the mother of Anthony Bennett, the man who is facing abuse charges stemming from the death investigation of 4 year-old Carnel Chamberlain, has started a Facebook page in her son’s name. She lives out of state in Ohio.

When people are clicking the “Like” button, their comments on freshly posted pictures of Anthony growing up, quickly turn to hate.
“They keep on asking me how can you love a murderer or how can you love your son, and I don’t understand.” Michele said. “It’s starting to get, like, I feel bad that I’m there for my son like I’m doing something wrong.”
Anthony has not been charged with murder, but Michele is well aware that he was the last one to see Carnel on June 21, watching the boy at Jaimee Chamberlain’s Mt. Pleasant home. She drove to be with her son the day after Carnel went missing.

“I questioned Anthony, I asked what the hell was going on if he was the last one seen with that boy how can he just let that boy play outside and have the boy come up missing?” she said.

She could tell something was different with Anthony.

“I could tell there was; his eyes were different, like they were nothing there, you know, like there was no life.” she added.

http://www.fox17online.com/news/fox...bout-anthony-bennett-20120720,0,7070711.story

 

[southernnana]

Chella and Jacie, thanks for your posts!

I didn't think the baby profile photo on AB's FB looked like Carnel's baby photos that I had seen - but, I wasn't certain. So thanks for letting us know.

Jacie thanks for your kind remarks for the mother!

http://www.fox17online.com/news/fox1...138,full.story

Interview with AB's mother.

Btw, it was mentioned on AB's mother's support page that the profile photo on AB's page is AB as a child.

Jacie Estes, thanks for your mention wrt to AB's mother of diminished capacity and compassion.

<snipped> and BBM.

:wave:
Yes, it appears AB's mom's FB is down again ... I was reading from it earlier today ... gross.

AB's facebook link -

https://www.facebook.com/anthony.m.bennett.5

Well, I went back in AB's facebook and the comment that I saw about 30 min. ago saying he and Jaimee became friends in January 2012 is removed. He still has her as a friend using Carnel's photo ... creepy.

 

[katydid23]

I forgot about that tunker, good recall!! If Jaimee and AB had an ATV, why would they borrow one from her family? Or is this the ATV which was never returned? But that ATV was supposedly trashed or damaged, in that case why would LE remove it? :waitasec:

What reason do you think he was taken from his Grandma?

Maybe AB just wanted to keep the ATV so that he is why he still had it. He may have just made false excuses and never returned it.

I think LE removed it to see if it might have been used to transport Carnal out in the woods somewhere.

 

[southernnana]

:steamed:


Does anyone else feel that this sad tale in the link, which is a telephone interview with AB's mother from Ohio, is just a legal defense ploy for sympathy??

This news article does not in any manner diminish my desire for justice of the horrendous murder of innocent little 4-yr old Carnel!!! :heartbeat:


http://www.fox17online.com/news/fox...bout-anthony-bennett-20120720,0,7070711.story

 

[Woodland]

Thank-you southernnana for the last post - have been wanting to say something all day on Michele - AB's mother.

First - while I think AB is as guilty as one is ever 'gonna' get - isn't AB's lawyer wishing his mother would stfu? Not siding with AB in any way shape or form - just being prudent.

Second - according to Michele's kids, and this is according to what I read on Michele's FB page recently, they had no use for her. She apparently was never there for her kids - so what the heck is up now?

Poor her, her poor son, he could not have done this, yada, yada, yada. What does she know if she hasn't been there for her kids? She can't possibly know what they are like.

My point is - is she stretching her 15 minutes into 30 and causing mayhem by doing so?

Her problem is, time will tell on what she is saying and will say. Miranda - anything you say can and will be used against you. Lawyers - stfu. Jmo.

 

[southernnana]

:clap: :clap: :Crown: :clap: :clap:


Thank you beach and JFC!! I wanted to get your posts in this matter all on a single post. And, Beach, thank you very much for "taking the ball and running with it."

Can someone please explain to me WHY Carnel was removed from his grandmother's home?

First off I want to say thank you for your previous post

Second, I am going to answer this question but sorry everyone I dont have a link or video... Because I heard from a direct source, can't link that!(lol)

But anyway I know for a fact the reason Carnel was taken back into Jaimees care back in May was because JC was in a fight with her mother. The fight was because Anthony Bennet had borrowed the familys ATV and had lost it somewhere, or probably had totaled it. Anyhow this resulted in them all getting angry with AB and that in turn caused JC to be mad at them, and taking Carnel into her care. Also, this is not a fact but it is also thought another motive for Jaimee taking him was because the tribe issues the parents the childrens' checks in June. This happens 3 times a year but the child has to be living in the household for this check to be received. Again that is just stipulation, but I wanted to answer your question to the best of my ability.

Thank you for explaining in detail, to the best of your knowledge.

For those who may have missed it, JusticeforCarnel is a verified insider in this case. I personally spoke with this person. I feel completely confident JFC has no agenda here - we talked at length and not one time did JFC speak ill of Jaimee. Just the facts AFTER I asked specific questions during the verification process. In no way did JFC "bash" Jaimee. The focus was strictly on...well, as the screen name implies, Justice for Carnel.

Thank you for participating and being generous enough to share your personal insight. It is much appreciated. You are doing the right thing by Carnel and he is smiling down on you now. :hug:

 

[Knox]

:steamed:


Does anyone else feel that this sad tale in the link, which is a telephone interview with AB's mother from Ohio, is just a legal defense ploy for sympathy??

This news article does not in any manner diminish my desire for justice of the horrendous murder of innocent little 4-yr old Carnel!!! :heartbeat:


http://www.fox17online.com/news/fox...bout-anthony-bennett-20120720,0,7070711.story

Quite the contrary, IMO. She said a few damaging things which will be useful for the prosecution, like ...

Does she believe he is capable of hurting a young child?

&#8220;I&#8217;m not too sure about that. I don&#8217;t know. Could possibly if, I always heard Anthony comment and said the boy was unruly and he didn&#8217;t like to listen. I don&#8217;t know.&#8221; Michele said frustrated.

So Anthony told her this on more than one occasion? I guess this is the reason for that "training" we heard about from Jaimee in the Nancy Grace interview.

 

[southernnana]

:dunno: ...... Mother ... :tmi:


Hi Woodland ... good to "talk" with you!!

I'm glad you posted because you usually have some of the same thoughts I do!!

My thoughts and opinion are the attorney may have encouraged the MSM interview ... probably wanted some of AB's background out to the public, which it already is ... but if he didn't provide a script in advance or discuss with AB's mother what he considered to be inappropriate revelations for his purposes ... and she was just winging it ... then he may be thinking today :banghead: ... what have I done!!! :cow:

Then, the attorney may not have been involved at all with the interview.

I read the mother's first FB supporting AB and read exactly what you are describing. And, now she reveals her kids went to foster care in 2005, and the medical diagnosis for AB at age 8, and stabbing the sister with a knife in the arm ... on and on as you said yada, yada,yada about poor son now.

I am intentionally being a little vague here ... those that have not read the news article or watched the video may want to do so.

Hopefully, other posters will come forward and give their opinions for more exchange of discussion.

http://www.fox17online.com/news/fox...bout-anthony-bennett-20120720,0,7070711.story

Thank-you southernnana for the last post - have been wanting to say something all day on Michele - AB's mother.

First - while I think AB is as guilty as one is ever 'gonna' get - isn't AB's lawyer wishing his mother would stfu? Not siding with AB in any way shape or form - just being prudent.

Second - according to Michele's kids, and this is according to what I read on Michele's FB page recently, they had no use for her. She apparently was never there for her kids - so what the heck is up now?

Poor her, her poor son, he could not have done this, yada, yada, yada. What does she know if she hasn't been there for her kids? She can't possibly know what they are like.

My point is - is she stretching her 15 minutes into 30 and causing mayhem by doing so?

Her problem is, time will tell on what she is saying and will say. Miranda - anything you say can and will be used against you. Lawyers - stfu. Jmo.

BBM

 

[tunker2000]

I forgot about that tunker, good recall!! If Jaimee and AB had an ATV, why would they borrow one from her family? Or is this the ATV which was never returned? But that ATV was supposedly trashed or damaged, in that case why would LE remove it? :waitasec:

What reason do you think he was taken from his Grandma?

Not sure on who's ATV it was and can't find any pictures to tell if it looked damaged or if it was old. I am not on JC's side at all but have worked in the Domestic Violence field for 12 years. I just know that sometimes a mother's new boyfriend may have her get the child back from family, because of power and control. Not only to that family member but also to control JC, what better way to get to a mother, but through her child. Hurting him, to hurt her.Most women who have had DV in their lives tend to pick men that are abusive to them, and when it doesn't work like they want they go after the children. Now I don't want a bunch of people freaking out because you think I am supporting JC, because even if she was in a DV situation there is NO reason to allow ANY ONE to hurt a child. I have helped women from this rez excape and I know it's hard and dangerous but it can be done. JC could have stayed and she could have got Carnell out and placed him with many different people who would have kept him safe.

 

[southernnana]

Hi LadyPirate,

Thank you for your post and for reading the links that I provided on photo scenes of the investigation where Carnel's body was found. I return to those links myself frequently to view the photos.

Many questions have arisen as to the particulars of how AB accomplished this horrible crime. AFAIK, we just don't have answers to the questions. I have brought your post forward so that other posters can have the opportunity to view it again and provide any information or thoughts that I do not have at this time.

I've been following this case, and it's absolutely heartbreaking what happened to this precious little one.

I just looked at the pictures of the police looking under the house. What I don't understand, is how, in that very short period of time, did this man manage to do everything he did, AND get up under that porch to bury the body? Did he commit the crime, hide the body and later on move it under the porch?
The police had to take the porch off to get back under there. How did he do it? I honestly don't think he moved the body later because I would think somebody would have been watching the house, unless he could have slipped in a back way somehow and kept himself hidden.

That really is a short period of time to do everything he did. I'm not saying it couldn't be done, and I'm absolutely in no way saying he didn't do it. I just want to know HOW he did it in that time frame.

BBM

:steamed:
Snippets from the news link describing some of the ongoing search process
on Friday, June 29. Two photos are shown in the link.

http://www.mlive.com/news/saginaw/i...olice_arrive_back_at_c.html#incart_river_news

The link below has a gallery of six interesting, but sad photos showing investigators at work.

Carnel Chamberlain: Search for Evidence
June 29, 2012

http://www.fox17online.com/news/fox...idence-search-20120629,0,1874192.photogallery

 

[legalmania]

:what:


The defense attorney is very self confident!!


http://www.mlive.com/newsflash/inde...boy-indicted/f5069f12d50f49798dd4a181175b5ede

I wonder if the tribal council will go after him? The crime was committed on tribal territory. The little boy was found on Native American Territory and little Carnel and his mother were both Native American. I read somewhere that the FBI and the tribal police were working together.

Here is some info on the Saginaw Cippew Indian Tribe:

http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/2010/November/10-enrd-1349.html

 

[legalmania]

Please see Post #654

There is a distinct difference between Federal and Tribal Federal.

Are they sure this guy is Native American or just claiming to be you have to have proof not just live with another native american.

http://www.lineages.com/research/native-american/

 

[legalmania]

It seem child abuse is becoming a big problem in the Tribal Communities here is some information on this matter


http://www.womenslaw.org/laws_state_type.php?id=10868&state_code=TR

 

[Jacie Estes]

Are they sure this guy is Native American or just claiming to be you have to have proof not just live with another native american.

http://www.lineages.com/research/native-american/

http://tribaljurisdiction.tripod.com/id2.html

'Who is an Indian' is an exercise in every class I've taken in American Indian Studies, on undergrad and grad level. Have you read Pevar's 'The Rights of Tribes and Indians'?

I am quite certain that the Federal Prosecutor handling this case has crossed the I's and dotted the T's as to whether Anthony Bennett is an Indian or not.

 

[Jacie Estes]

I wonder if the tribal council will go after him? The crime was committed on tribal territory. The little boy was found on Native American Territory and little Carnel and his mother were both Native American. I read somewhere that the FBI and the tribal police were working together.

Here is some info on the Saginaw Cippew Indian Tribe:

http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/2010/November/10-enrd-1349.html

There is a reason that Anthony Bennett is in Federal Court. Go back through the thread and read about The Major Crimes Act, The Federal Death Penalty and how it pertains to the Saginaw Chippewa Tribe, same thing for the Federal Three Strikes Law.

 

[Jacie Estes]

It seem child abuse is becoming a big problem in the Tribal Communities here is some information on this matter


http://www.womenslaw.org/laws_state_type.php?id=10868&state_code=TR

Child abuse is a problem everywhere in this country, not just the reservations.

http://www.childwelfare.gov/can/statistics/stat_natl_state.cfm



ICWA, Indian Child Welfare Act controls the amount of Indian children adopted out to white families, as my mother and father's mother were pre-ICWA, but there are still many Indian children put into foster care with white families, where abuse also occurs..

http://tlpi.wordpress.com/category/indian-child-welfare-act/

 

[southernnana]

:wave: legalmania and Jacie ... Thanks to both of you for the links to resources on child abuse!

It seem child abuse is becoming a big problem in the Tribal Communities here is some information on this matter.

http://www.womenslaw.org/laws_state_type.php?id=10868&state_code=TR[/

Legal, I found this web site a bit too cumberson to easily find useful articles concerning laws for protection from ... prevention of ... and punishments for ... child abuse. Am I making sense?? Again, thanks for the link. I'm just a dumb redhead!

I did find this new article "Orders of Protection for the Welfare and Protection of Children" Updated June 28, 2012 ... but it seems to be only for Puerto Rico.

Child abuse is a problem everywhere in this country, not just the reservations.

http://www.childwelfare.gov/can/statistics/stat_natl_state.cfm

ICWA, Indian Child Welfare Act controls the amount of Indian children adopted out to white families, as my mother and father's mother were pre-ICWA, but there are still many Indian children put into foster care with white families, where abuse also occurs..

http://tlpi.wordpress.com/category/indian-child-welfare-act/

Jacie, I am familiar with the "childwelfare.gov" site and receive selected articles online from them regularly. Great resource. After initially reviewing the "indian-child-welfare-act site," I feel certain it will also be a great resource of information. Thanks again.

 

[Jacie Estes]

:wave: legalmania and Jacie ... Thanks to both of you for the links to resources on child abuse!



Legal, I found this web site a bit too cumberson to easily find useful articles concerning laws for protection from ... prevention of ... and punishments for ... child abuse. Am I making sense?? Again, thanks for the link. I'm just a dumb redhead!

I did find this new article "Orders of Protection for the Welfare and Protection of Children" Updated June 28, 2012 ... but it seems to be only for Puerto Rico.

[/B]
Jacie, I am familiar with the "childwelfare.gov" site and receive selected articles online from them regularly. Great resource. After initially reviewing the "indian-child-welfare-act site," I feel certain it will also be a great resource of information. Thanks again.

MISSISSIPPI BAND OF CHOCTAW INDIANS v. HOLYFIELD ET AL. is the seminal case that reinforced The Indian Child Welfare Act of 1978/ICWA. It was argued in front of and decided by The Supreme Court in 1989. It was a case on appeal from the state of Mississippi.

http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=2358461186912284415&hl=en&as_sdt=2&as_vis=1&oi=scholarr

 

[legalmania]

http://tribaljurisdiction.tripod.com/id2.html

'Who is an Indian' is an exercise in every class I've taken in American Indian Studies, on undergrad and grad level. Have you read Pevar's 'The Rights of Tribes and Indians'?

I am quite certain that the Federal Prosecutor handling this case has crossed the I's and dotted the T's as to whether Anthony Bennett is an Indian or not.

I have read enough Native American law that I was called as an expert witness in a civil case in a Seminole Indian case in Florida. I was mostly questioned about sovereign immunity.
I just don' want to see another Kirk Douglas Billie Case who was Miccosukkee Indian. That was one of the most brutal cases I have ever read. I'm glad Bennett is under Federal Indictment.
Like I said I have read enough Native American Law that I could write my own book.

 

[legalmania]

:wave: legalmania and Jacie ... Thanks to both of you for the links to resources on child abuse!



Legal, I found this web site a bit too cumberson to easily find useful articles concerning laws for protection from ... prevention of ... and punishments for ... child abuse. Am I making sense?? Again, thanks for the link. I'm just a dumb redhead!

I did find this new article "Orders of Protection for the Welfare and Protection of Children" Updated June 28, 2012 ... but it seems to be only for Puerto Rico.

[/b]
Jacie, I am familiar with the "childwelfare.gov" site and receive selected articles online from them regularly. Great resource. After initially reviewing the "indian-child-welfare-act site," I feel certain it will also be a great resource of information. Thanks again.

This site may be a little easier for you, just find what you need to know click the link it will take you to pdf and the go to the page. It can be quite extensive but there is a lot of information there on tribal law, statutes and more.
http://www.tribal-institute.org/lists/codes.htm