MI MI - Danielle Stislicki, 28, Southfield, 2 Dec 2016 #7

[Vresia]

There is a good chance that LE has her texts. Carriers typically keep text content for 3-5 days (some longer, some not at all). I believe LE knew this was suspicious very quickly and were able to preserve the texts.

 

[lilbean727]

Like Chandra Levy. Gary Condit, wrong place, wrong time. Perhaps.

Since the beginning this is what I thought. I don't agree that there is a specific profile for HT because I was almost nabbed by what I can only assume were HTs. I was 25 at the time and left the gym and went next door to Target to get food for dinner. It was about 7:30pm and dark and snowing really bad so there were not a lot of folks in Target or at Target. I've always been interested in crime and started college as a criminology major. So I've always been very aware of my surroundings.

I noticed three men in target and thought it was very strange because none of them looked like they would be "friends". I began noticing one of the men following me as I wandered throughout the store. So I quickly grabbed my stuff and went to checkout. I then noticed that man go to purchase just one item a few aisles down. His friends were nowhere to be found. I began talking to the woman checking me out and stalling so the man would leave ahead of me. When I was all rang up I walked by the exit and looked out and thought ''maybe I should get the store security' but then I talked myself out of it saying I was being crazy. So I went out in the dark snow and opened the hatch of my SUV the second I did that their gold Camry pulled up so close to me that I barely had room to move. The man appeared out of nowhere and grabbed my wrist and said "where are you headed tonight?" I was stunned and didn't know what was happening, I literally froze in place.

Within a second I heard a man screaming at the top of his lungs just screaming and running at us. The man holding my wrist jumped into the car and it sped off leaving me in the parking lot frozen. The other man who was screaming ran up to me and said "are you okay? I saw something happening here and you turned white as a ghost so I ran over here. I have a daughter your age and just noticed something was amiss."

If it wasn't for that man I know I would have been abducted. All it takes is wrong place wrong time. Those men did not look like locals and I live in the suburbs of Chicago. They can be anywhere in my opinion.

I hope for the family's sake that this isn't the case for DS. But part of me feels like it might be. She looks younger than she is and if she was alone it only takes a second for someone to catch you off guard. I'm just praying for her safe return.

 

[GigTu]

Interesting watching a group of amateur and not so amateur sleuths (me) attack and try to resolve a crime... We watch the majorities position shift in unison. The injury to her foot/ankle is released and drugs become the theme. Twelve agencies rush in and we're convinced she is a link to an even wider crime spree. A possible colleague's home is searched and we're convinced she was the target of a stalker or an affair gone awry. And then we forget the 12 agencies, we forget the drugs,....

But today two big things have happened.

1. The Family has announced a vigil, and attending, a present and past state senator.

2. The family is promoting an event in Livonia designated as an event to raise awareness to human trafficking.

Remember...

1. We were asked to share the photo ALL over the country.

2. We were told of "a good chance she could be out of the state"

3. We were told local searches were no longer needed.

4. We were told of the fear "She is being held against her will"

5. And we were told there were 12 agencies involved, right off the bat.

It might be time to give up the "Stalker" and "Romance gone awry" theories....

I want so bad for her to come home

I'm not convinced that's impossible!

In my book, from day one HT has been on the table and I'm still feeling that vibe, even after all the discussion in here. Mostly because LE and family both consistently hint at it without coming right out with it. Abduction for HT is a crime, and DS is possibly a victim of such a crime. We don't know, but that's the way I'm leaning.

We had a PI come in here in the first days after she was reported missing saying he heard from a LE contact that they thought it was HT. That guy got ran off from here, or maybe LE asked him to stay out, but that doesn't mean he wasn't telling what he considered to be truthful. We don't know, but that's the way I'm leaning.

Again, I remind us all that HT is not strictly sexual trafficking because there are all sorts of slave labor rings as well. She's adorable and sweet so possibly it entails multiple types of trafficking, who knows. We don't know, but that's the way I'm leaning.

Connections to senators adds a bit of a twist that concerns me for other reasons, but I'm not feeling a gut instinct that it's related to her missing. More, it shows that her family has big friends in high places, and they all called their connections to the point that 12 agencies became involved from the git-go. We don't know.

Of all the reasons to be abducted, HT is one that results in her still being alive. I can't let go of hope she is out there somewhere and she'll be found. God I hope so!!!!!!!!!

 

[BloodHoundSleuther]

Something just occurred to me.

Do we know for certain that it was only going to be DS and her friend at dinner that night? Or could there have been another dinner guest -- maybe even someone that DS picked up on her way to the friend's place?

Even though I don't think it happened this way, there is an off possibility Danielle stopped at her apartment with a passenger along for the ride, prior to dropping the passenger off at his home. Considering Danielle had two tasks to complete, one being stopping at her apartment, the other giving someone a ride home, this may explain how the perp knew where she lived and parked. However, there could be many other explanations as to how the perp knew where she lived and parked. If you consider MetLife is geographically in the middle of the two tasks, no matter if she dropped someone off first, she would still need to double back to get to her apt. Conversely, if she went to the apartment first, she would still need to double back to drop off someone needing a ride. Just something to think about, although if she did all this commuting back and forth it would tighten down the timeline considering her phone was off at 7 pm.

 

[LBee]

So weird, the second I saw you say gym next door to Target I thought "hey, that sounds like my gym!" And then when I saw Chicago burbs it made the world feel very small!

Since the beginning this is what I thought. I don't agree that there is a specific profile for HT because I was almost nabbed by what I can only assume were HTs. I was 25 at the time and left the gym and went next door to Target to get food for dinner. It was about 7:30pm and dark and snowing really bad so there were not a lot of folks in Target or at Target. I've always been interested in crime and started college as a criminology major. So I've always been very aware of my surroundings.

I noticed three men in target and thought it was very strange because none of them looked like they would be "friends". I began noticing one of the men following me as I wandered throughout the store. So I quickly grabbed my stuff and went to checkout. I then noticed that man go to purchase just one item a few aisles down. His friends were nowhere to be found. I began talking to the woman checking me out and stalling so the man would leave ahead of me. When I was all rang up I walked by the exit and looked out and thought ''maybe I should get the store security' but then I talked myself out of it saying I was being crazy. So I went out in the dark snow and opened the hatch of my SUV the second I did that their gold Camry pulled up so close to me that I barely had room to move. The man appeared out of nowhere and grabbed my wrist and said "where are you headed tonight?" I was stunned and didn't know what was happening, I literally froze in place.

Within a second I heard a man screaming at the top of his lungs just screaming and running at us. The man holding my wrist jumped into the car and it sped off leaving me in the parking lot frozen. The other man who was screaming ran up to me and said "are you okay? I saw something happening here and you turned white as a ghost so I ran over here. I have a daughter your age and just noticed something was amiss."

If it wasn't for that man I know I would have been abducted. All it takes is wrong place wrong time. Those men did not look like locals and I live in the suburbs of Chicago. They can be anywhere in my opinion.

I hope for the family's sake that this isn't the case for DS. But part of me feels like it might be. She looks younger than she is and if she was alone it only takes a second for someone to catch you off guard. I'm just praying for her safe return.

 

[lilbean727]

So weird, the second I saw you say gym next door to Target I thought "hey, that sounds like my gym!" And then when I saw Chicago burbs it made the world feel very small!

THis was 4 years ago and I believe the gym has since closed but hello from a fellow Chicago suburbanite!

I read a few other comments saying HTs wouldn't leave money and a purse behind but in my case I believe they would have. They wanted me and me only and I am not a drug user. I'm a normal female from the suburbs.

 

[GigTu]

He passed away unexpectedly recently. There is a thread about him and a link to his FB. BoggLed in Ohio knows more.

Thank you for telling us. I did not know and am crushed to hear this news. I'll go visit his thread and honor his contributions to helping people.

 

[mavicolie]

Since the beginning this is what I thought. I don't agree that there is a specific profile for HT because I was almost nabbed by what I can only assume were HTs. I was 25 at the time and left the gym and went next door to Target to get food for dinner. It was about 7:30pm and dark and snowing really bad so there were not a lot of folks in Target or at Target. I've always been interested in crime and started college as a criminology major. So I've always been very aware of my surroundings.

I noticed three men in target and thought it was very strange because none of them looked like they would be "friends". I began noticing one of the men following me as I wandered throughout the store. So I quickly grabbed my stuff and went to checkout. I then noticed that man go to purchase just one item a few aisles down. His friends were nowhere to be found. I began talking to the woman checking me out and stalling so the man would leave ahead of me. When I was all rang up I walked by the exit and looked out and thought ''maybe I should get the store security' but then I talked myself out of it saying I was being crazy. So I went out in the dark snow and opened the hatch of my SUV the second I did that their gold Camry pulled up so close to me that I barely had room to move. The man appeared out of nowhere and grabbed my wrist and said "where are you headed tonight?" I was stunned and didn't know what was happening, I literally froze in place.

Within a second I heard a man screaming at the top of his lungs just screaming and running at us. The man holding my wrist jumped into the car and it sped off leaving me in the parking lot frozen. The other man who was screaming ran up to me and said "are you okay? I saw something happening here and you turned white as a ghost so I ran over here. I have a daughter your age and just noticed something was amiss."

If it wasn't for that man I know I would have been abducted. All it takes is wrong place wrong time. Those men did not look like locals and I live in the suburbs of Chicago. They can be anywhere in my opinion.

I hope for the family's sake that this isn't the case for DS. But part of me feels like it might be. She looks younger than she is and if she was alone it only takes a second for someone to catch you off guard. I'm just praying for her safe return.

THIS.

My sister was with her 2 daughters at a Kroger. She noticed a man following her. She stalled around, looked at every item, he stayed about 20 feet from them the whole time.
She gave him a "death stare" a few times and he left before her.
She talked herself out of being afraid because she's 27, had her kids with her, it was daylight, lots of people, etc etc.
She walked out to her car and was putting the first daughter in and he appeared out of nowhere. It was daughter in car-sister-cart with daughter-him. He had his hands on the cart and said he'd take it for her. She screamed at the top of her lungs while grabbing daughter from cart, getting in the back with the girls, and shoved the cart at him.

He ran to his vehicle and sped out of the lot.

She got in the drivers seat, locked up, looked around and went to drive home.

Suddenly, this vehicle was following her. She drove to the police station with 911 on her phone and he passed right by once she pulled in the station.

She's not HT "criteria".
She had daughters with her that are 2&3 but that entire situation was not a dead ringer for an "easy" HT abduction.

There are easy targets, sure. But there are also situations that the bad guys just don't think through, I suppose.

I said in a previous post (which may apply to you and my sister)- maybe the people that aren't part of the "normal criteria" fit a specific or asked for criteria. If that's the case, there's no safe age/look/lifestyle/criteria.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I257 using Tapatalk

 

[Momma2cam]

Thanks to those who have shared frightening personal experiences. It is a good reminder to practice daily safety skills and be aware of our surroundings when out in public. I've worked entirely in urban, inner cities and have had a handful of "gut feeling" suspicions of danger. I've ran into my car without finishing getting gas as an unknown man walked briskly toward me. It is frightening to not know what could have happened and I'm glad for the flight reflex that kicked in!

That said, I think those experiences could have lead to a variety of things, HT only being one of them. Statistics and personal experiences only tell us one side of things and there can always be outliers, which makes it important to keep an open mind and not rule anything completely out until we have more information. The info that we have right now with heavy emphasis on the SG and HOI leads to many more probable scenarios.

I worry that focusing too intently on HT will complicate what is likely right in front of us as what happened. The reason we have such unreliable data on the prevalence of HT is because the victims are generally groomed and selected in a way they are manipulated so they do not leave. Traffickers want their victims to love and trust them and they don't want victims who will be missed.

I do understand the desire to keep hope for HT or come to that conclusion from frightening personal experiences that are being triggered. And, as sad as it is, that may be the best outcome for DS.

Sent from my SM-G935T using Tapatalk

 

[missgulfsouth]

THIS. H

My sister was with her 2 daughters at a Kroger. She noticed a man following her. She stalled around, looked at every item, he stayed about 20 feet from them the whole time.
She gave him a "death stare" a few times and he left before her.
She talked herself out of being afraid because she's 27, had her kids with her, it was daylight, lots of people, etc etc.
She walked out to her car and was putting the first daughter in and he appeared out of nowhere. It was daughter in car-sister-cart with daughter-him. He had his hands on the cart and said he'd take it for her. She screamed at the top of her lungs while grabbing daughter from cart, getting in the back with the girls, and shoved the cart at him.

He ran to his vehicle and sped out of the lot.

She got in the drivers seat, locked up, looked around and went to drive home.

Suddenly, this vehicle was following her. She drove to the police station with 911 on her phone and he passed right by once she pulled in the station.

She's not HT "criteria".
She had daughters with her that are 2&3 but that entire situation was not a dead ringer for an "easy" HT abduction.

There are easy targets, sure. But there are also situations that the bad guys just don't think through, I suppose.

I said in a previous post (which may apply to you and my sister)- maybe the people that aren't part of the "normal criteria" fit a specific or asked for criteria. If that's the case, there's no safe age/look/lifestyle/criteria.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I257 using Tapatalk

That is frightening, I'm glad you are ok. Not to minimize your experience by any means, I'm sure ALL females have stories we could share. Creeps are everywhere ... always have been ... always will be. That doesn't mean it's sex trafficking.

 

[monkeypants]

THIS.

My sister was with her 2 daughters at a Kroger. She noticed a man following her. She stalled around, looked at every item, he stayed about 20 feet from them the whole time.
She gave him a "death stare" a few times and he left before her.
She talked herself out of being afraid because she's 27, had her kids with her, it was daylight, lots of people, etc etc.
She walked out to her car and was putting the first daughter in and he appeared out of nowhere. It was daughter in car-sister-cart with daughter-him. He had his hands on the cart and said he'd take it for her. She screamed at the top of her lungs while grabbing daughter from cart, getting in the back with the girls, and shoved the cart at him.

He ran to his vehicle and sped out of the lot.

She got in the drivers seat, locked up, looked around and went to drive home.

Suddenly, this vehicle was following her. She drove to the police station with 911 on her phone and he passed right by once she pulled in the station.

She's not HT "criteria".
She had daughters with her that are 2&3 but that entire situation was not a dead ringer for an "easy" HT abduction.

There are easy targets, sure. But there are also situations that the bad guys just don't think through, I suppose.

I said in a previous post (which may apply to you and my sister)- maybe the people that aren't part of the "normal criteria" fit a specific or asked for criteria. If that's the case, there's no safe age/look/lifestyle/criteria.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I257 using Tapatalk

I wonder if it was the kid he wanted.....

 

[GigTu]

Since the beginning this is what I thought. I don't agree that there is a specific profile for HT because I was almost nabbed by what I can only assume were HTs. I was 25 at the time and left the gym and went next door to Target to get food for dinner. It was about 7:30pm and dark and snowing really bad so there were not a lot of folks in Target or at Target. I've always been interested in crime and started college as a criminology major. So I've always been very aware of my surroundings.

I noticed three men in target and thought it was very strange because none of them looked like they would be "friends". I began noticing one of the men following me as I wandered throughout the store. So I quickly grabbed my stuff and went to checkout. I then noticed that man go to purchase just one item a few aisles down. His friends were nowhere to be found. I began talking to the woman checking me out and stalling so the man would leave ahead of me. When I was all rang up I walked by the exit and looked out and thought ''maybe I should get the store security' but then I talked myself out of it saying I was being crazy. So I went out in the dark snow and opened the hatch of my SUV the second I did that their gold Camry pulled up so close to me that I barely had room to move. The man appeared out of nowhere and grabbed my wrist and said "where are you headed tonight?" I was stunned and didn't know what was happening, I literally froze in place.

Within a second I heard a man screaming at the top of his lungs just screaming and running at us. The man holding my wrist jumped into the car and it sped off leaving me in the parking lot frozen. The other man who was screaming ran up to me and said "are you okay? I saw something happening here and you turned white as a ghost so I ran over here. I have a daughter your age and just noticed something was amiss."

If it wasn't for that man I know I would have been abducted. All it takes is wrong place wrong time. Those men did not look like locals and I live in the suburbs of Chicago. They can be anywhere in my opinion.

I hope for the family's sake that this isn't the case for DS. But part of me feels like it might be. She looks younger than she is and if she was alone it only takes a second for someone to catch you off guard. I'm just praying for her safe return.

You told this in a riveting manner and it really scared me. I'm so glad that guy saw everything and I hope (at that time) both of you reported it. There's no telling how many women they snatched up from your area in that timeframe. Have you ever looked into that?

It makes me think back to so many times that I've made dumb decisions and NOT followed my gut.

 

[Momma2cam]

That is frightening, I'm glad you are ok. Not to minimize your experience by any means, I'm sure ALL females have stories we could share. Creeps are everywhere ... always have been ... always will be. That doesn't mean it's sex trafficking.

Yes. We've had news articles and so many stories of reported possible trafficking based on similar experiences but nothing to really support trafficking. I've talked with LE and colleagues and it seems that as great as it is that public awareness has increased regarding HT, the danger is people mistaking other attempted crimes for such.

We believe it is more common than reported and that a large majority were or are involved in the foster care system (there are some stats that suggest up to 80%!) but even that gets tricky when using for identification because the reports are just so rare. Even more rare than reported sexual abuse/assault v what we believe to be the actual prevalence. I've worked with rescued victims who adamantly deny they are being trafficked and they almost always go back. They seem to truly believe they are choosing to do the things they are doing.

Sent from my SM-G935T using Tapatalk

 

[lilbean727]

You told this in a riveting manner and it really scared me. I'm so glad that guy saw everything and I hope (at that time) both of you reported it. There's no telling how many women they snatched up from your area in that timeframe. Have you ever looked into that?

It makes me think back to so many times that I've made dumb decisions and NOT followed my gut.

Yes, it was reported that evening. They took video footage from inside the store but unfortunately the snow made it impossible to make out a plate number. As far as I know those men were never ID'd.

 

[mavicolie]

I wonder if it was the kid he wanted.....

It could have been either of the kids, really. However, I figure, if you're looking for an easy target you don't approach a momma with her kids in daylight in a crowded area. You nab one that's running in a sea of kids at a park or play area.
But I'm not a criminal, so I don't know what their train of thought is, really.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I257 using Tapatalk

 

[missgulfsouth]

Yes. We've had news articles and so many stories of reported possible trafficking based on similar experiences but nothing to really support trafficking. I've talked with LE and colleagues and it seems that as great as it is that public awareness has increased regarding HT, the danger is people mistaking other attempted crimes for such.

We believe it is more common than reported and that a large majority were or are involved in the foster care system (there are some stats that suggest up to 80%!) but even that gets tricky when using for identification because the reports are just so rare. Even more rare than reported sexual abuse/assault v what we believe to be the actual prevalence. I've worked with rescued victims who adamantly deny they are being trafficked and they almost always go back. They seem to truly believe they are choosing to do the things they are doing.

Sent from my SM-G935T using Tapatalk

Which do you mean:

Children from foster care are being trafficked?
Or some DHS workers are traffickers?

Both are frightening.

 

[InsightfulSage]

It was active again this morning, though. I checked late morning. Not sure what they're doing with it.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Interesting. Wondering why it ever came back online to begin with. Innocent or not, until there are definitive answers about DS, he is going to be harassed. Why would you bother reactivating in his situation?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[Momma2cam]

Which do you mean:

Children from foster care are being trafficked?
Or some DHS workers are traffickers?

Both are frightening.

The children. Again, it is hard to trust numbers when it comes to trafficking because so much data is missing but some suggests that a large percentage of trafficking victims were touched by the foster care system. It could be that they were in foster care homes or that their parents had open cases at some point with mandated services but we know that we need to really increase awareness, identification, and treatment efforts within that population to have any chance at prevention/reducing prevalence.

Sorry to get somewhat off track. I'm in no means trying to minimize others' experiences or box DS outside of the absolute profile of a victim but when you're looking at most probable scenario, it really just doesn't fit.

Sent from my SM-G935T using Tapatalk

 

[kmarques]

Interesting. Wondering why it ever came back online to begin with. Innocent or not, until there are definitive answers about DS, he is going to be harassed. Why would you bother reactivating in his situation?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

It makes no sense, I agree.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[missgulfsouth]

The children. Again, it is hard to trust numbers when it comes to trafficking because so much data is missing but some suggests that a large percentage of trafficking victims were touched by the foster care system. It could be that they were in foster care homes or that their parents had open cases at some point with mandated services but we know that we need to really increase awareness, identification, and treatment efforts within that population to have any chance at prevention/reducing prevalence.

Sorry to get somewhat off track. I'm in no means trying to minimize others' experiences or box DS outside of the absolute profile of a victim but when you're looking at most probable scenario, it really just doesn't fit.

Sent from my SM-G935T using Tapatalk

Thank you for explaining a bit more of the demographics of ST.

Sex crimes are many and varied, as old as time. Sex is a primary motive for abductions and murder. It doesn't have to involve trafficking at all.