MI MI - Danielle Stislicki, 28, Southfield, 2 Dec 2016 #7

[persimmon]

I completely agree. I've honestly been shocked at the number of posts I've seen on this particular thread implying it's unwise to refuse to speak with LE. Even worse, it has been implied one must be guilty if they do.

On the contrary, regardless of guilt or innocence, it is unwise to speak to LE about a crime without a lawyer present. You may know nothing and unknowingly say something that makes you look guilty. Confirmation bias and tunnel vision are very real things and can be impossible to prevent.

For example, say you agree to speak to LE about a crime you didn't commit because you don't have anything to hide. They ask you about a robbery that occurred last Tuesday that left the store owner dead. You tell them you were with your friend John last Tuesday and that he will confirm it. Besides, you tell them, you don't even own a gun. As it turns out, you had your days mixed up. John tells the police that you were together on Wednesday, not Tuesday. Now, the police want to know what you may be hiding and why you lied to them about your alibi. They're also wondering how you knew a gun was involved. They had only mentioned that he'd been killed; they specifically left out that he'd been shot. (You had only assumed that was the case because most armed robberies involve guns.) The store is right down the road from your house, and you shop there frequently. In fact, the security footage shows that you'd stopped by there on the very same day the robbery occurred. LE doesn't have any other credible leads, and now you're suspect numero uno.

The justice system operates like any other organization. There are consequences for employees who fail to close cases and promotions for those who do. Unfortunately, that is only one of many factors that result in the convictions of innocent people every single day.

PS. The law professor seen in that YouTube video also released a book recently, "You Have the Right to Remain Innocent". It's well worth a read.


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Thanks for the book reccomendation. I'm going to check it out.

 

[jbelle]

Has it been reported by LE that her phone was taken out of state? Honestly, in any scenario I've considered (including trafficking), it doesn't make sense that she would still have access to her phone. If it was taken out of state, it could have been a ruse. But she obviously didn't leave voluntarily and the perp likely ditched her phone early on. JMO

God, think how easy to toss the phone in some vehicle, talk about a red herring, not saying I think that's what happened or not but it would be so easy.

 

[mommylicious]

There is a good chance that LE has her texts. Carriers typically keep text content for 3-5 days (some longer, some not at all). I believe LE knew this was suspicious very quickly and were able to preserve the texts.

I recently had cell phone issues and had to replace my phone. The new phone loaded my 90 most recent text messages as soon as I linked to my carrier so I'm sure they can get her messages. I'm with Verizon.

 

[Momma2cam]

I recently had cell phone issues and had to replace my phone. The new phone loaded my 90 most recent text messages as soon as I linked to my carrier so I'm sure they can get her messages. I'm with Verizon.

You need the old phone to transfer pictures, texts, etc. They are not automatically transfered when activating a new phone unless you backed them up on the cloud, etc. However, as someone said previously, through subpoenas, it does appear you can obtain the records from most carriers within a reasonable time period.

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[jbelle]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/patch....g-in-detroit?client=ms-android-hms-tmobile-us
https://www.google.com/amp/www.mliv...ivor_sto.amp?client=ms-android-hms-tmobile-us

Those are two of them that come to mind.

Reading the cases you linked I just see typical trafficking, women in bad relationships who were lured and then not allowed to leave.
I want to see cases of happy healthy 30 year old women. I KNOW trafficking happens and it's horrendous, no argument there, it just doesn't fit 99% of
the cases I follow here. They don't snatch up women that will be missed, that's why that one man in the first article could keep them all in a house without moving them around to different locations, the neighbors even saw the women, they weren't missed. That's what's so depressing about it.

 

[cujenn81]

I honestly don't know what to think about this case because two things in particular have stood out to me about the investigation.

1) The reward in this case jumped to a much higher amount in a very short period of time than I've seen in other cases.

2) The number and types of agencies involved also seems unusual

This makes me believe that LE thinks something much bigger than a single coworker abduction is at play here. Clearly, they believe SG may have the answers they need, even if they lead elsewhere. Otherwise, they wouldn't waste time with the search warrants. I'm just conflicted about what I think his involvement may be or to what degree.


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[stellabelle]

Hi, I'm new here. This case has compelled me to join WS. I've been following this case since day one. I used to live in a complex next to the one Danielle lives in and we have mutual friends. DS seems like such a beautiful soul and I pray and hope she is found.

 

[AggieLou]

If POI everyone is referring to did this why hasn't he bolted. Sick wife or not if he is stalker or having affair or kidnapped someone he is probably more concerned for himself.

 

[LBee]

My point wasn't that they just snatched suburban housewives off the tennis courts but that the whole "she's too old" to be trafficked isn't actually true. I've said it before, but I have no idea what happened to her so I'm trying to not make up my mind without all of the facts. For me, that's when complacency sets in and if I can help find her it would be terrible if I missed something because I wasn't looking that direction any more.

Reading the cases you linked I just see typical trafficking, women in bad relationships who were lured and then not allowed to leave.
I want to see cases of happy healthy 30 year old women. I KNOW trafficking happens and it's horrendous, no argument there, it just doesn't fit 99% of
the cases I follow here. They don't snatch up women that will be missed, that's why that one man in the first article could keep them all in a house without moving them around to different locations, the neighbors even saw the women, they weren't missed. That's what's so depressing about it.

 

[kimoWAsabi]

If POI everyone is referring to did this why hasn't he bolted. Sick wife or not if he is stalker or having affair or kidnapped someone he is probably more concerned for himself.

I would think he has not bolted because his home was searched and there's no better agency than SONiC - who per MSM has been "extremely helpful" from day one - involved to conduct surveillance. He doesn't sneeze without them knowing about it.

 

[AggieLou]

In my book, from day one HT has been on the table and I'm still feeling that vibe, even after all the discussion in here. Mostly because LE and family both consistently hint at it without coming right out with it. Abduction for HT is a crime, and DS is possibly a victim of such a crime. We don't know, but that's the way I'm leaning.

We had a PI come in here in the first days after she was reported missing saying he heard from a LE contact that they thought it was HT. That guy got ran off from here, or maybe LE asked him to stay out, but that doesn't mean he wasn't telling what he considered to be truthful. We don't know, but that's the way I'm leaning.

Again, I remind us all that HT is not strictly sexual trafficking because there are all sorts of slave labor rings as well. She's adorable and sweet so possibly it entails multiple types of trafficking, who knows. We don't know, but that's the way I'm leaning.

Connections to senators adds a bit of a twist that concerns me for other reasons, but I'm not feeling a gut instinct that it's related to her missing. More, it shows that her family has big friends in high places, and they all called their connections to the point that 12 agencies became involved from the git-go. We don't know.

Of all the reasons to be abducted, HT is one that results in her still being alive. I can't let go of hope she is out there somewhere and she'll be found. God I hope so!!!!!!!!!

There is trafficking in humans for just about anything you can imagine including their organs and tissues which is also a growing problem. People with money will go black market and pay whatever it takes and no questions asked. Pretty gruesome to think of that. Again though it is people that won't be missed that are most likely victims.

I think DS family neighbor retired from the Senate a year or so ago.

 

[soanyway]

Do we know that he hasn't?

If POI everyone is referring to did this why hasn't he bolted. Sick wife or not if he is stalker or having affair or kidnapped someone he is probably more concerned for himself.

 

[soanyway]

I agree and just because it continues to be discussed as a possible scenario, IMO, doesn't imply that anyone is dismissing other theories. I personally find it odd that some ridiculous victim-bashing theories (drug use, affairs, etc.) can be given attention, yet the subject of trafficking doesn't warrant the same discussion. Not calling anyone out. IMO, the actual number of victims is hugely understated as the vast majority of victims do not come forward (for obvious, legitimate reasons). Force and coercion can be powerful tools at any age and when drugs can motivate people to commit crimes against their own family members, I don't think it's too far-fetched to think it could happen to anyone. All MOO.

My point wasn't that they just snatched suburban housewives off the tennis courts but that the whole "she's too old" to be trafficked isn't actually true. I've said it before, but I have no idea what happened to her so I'm trying to not make up my mind without all of the facts. For me, that's when complacency sets in and if I can help find her it would be terrible if I missed something because I wasn't looking that direction any more.

 

[IrisesAndDaffodils]

If POI everyone is referring to did this why hasn't he bolted. Sick wife or not if he is stalker or having affair or kidnapped someone he is probably more concerned for himself.

Maybe he's a narcissist and thinks he doesn't have to because he's going to get away with it.
We can't even be sure of what role he actually played in her abduction. What if he was just an accomplice for someone with more malevolent plans? Or maybe something happened that he didn't expect and he panicked and hurt her. There are so so many possibilities here.

 

[GigTu]

I have some knowledge in this area, due to my occupation. Older teens who have been in the foster care system for most of their lifetime, can end up in trafficking situations. Most often in the inner cities: Detroit, Flint, Grand Rapids.

Older teens who have been in the foster care system for most of their lifetime can also end up drug dealers, good mommies, school teachers, or doctors. Each person does or does not find their inner strength. You don't have to go far for examples of exceptional strength and growth. Look at the variety of people here in WS. Survivors and thrivers, many of us. I'm from the camp that things are only unprecedented until they happen. Then they are a statistic. 1% or 99% both fall into a relevant statistical range.

Discounting a type of crime that a person could be a victim of based on family ties, years in the foster system, age, occupation, education, location, etc., etc., etc. might not be a good way to rule out possibilities.

 

[mavicolie]

I agree and just because it continues to be discussed as a possible scenario, IMO, doesn't imply that anyone is dismissing other theories. I personally find it odd that some ridiculous victim-bashing theories (drug use, affairs, etc.) can be given attention, yet the subject of trafficking doesn't warrant the same discussion. Not calling anyone out. IMO, the actual number of victims is hugely understated as the vast majority of victims do not come forward (for obvious, legitimate reasons). Force and coercion can be powerful tools at any age and when drugs can motivate people to commit crimes against their own family members, I don't think it's too far-fetched to think it could happen to anyone. All MOO.

I also believe the true number of trafficked victims is grossly under reported because a) victims often don't come forward and b) dead people can't tell the entire story of what happened.

It was mentioned up thread that no big or popular cases ever turned out to be HT. However, in many cases, the true motive or full story was never/never will be able to be released, either.

Many people have mentioned the SP case. That never gave any concrete, final answers other than she is home now, right? There's a lot of missing info, and open endings in that one.

This is real life. This isn't Law and Order or Criminal Minds or even Forensic Files where we are given the beginning, middle, end and within them the past, trigger, motive, and final punishment.

It would be nice if we got a whole break down at the end of each case. It would be nicer if the victims of (whatever crime has taken place) can just come home safe and sound.

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[SherlockJ]

You said a PI "came in here" May I asm, Where is "here"?

 

[jbelle]

My point wasn't that they just snatched suburban housewives off the tennis courts but that the whole "she's too old" to be trafficked isn't actually true. I've said it before, but I have no idea what happened to her so I'm trying to not make up my mind without all of the facts. For me, that's when complacency sets in and if I can help find her it would be terrible if I missed something because I wasn't looking that direction any more.

Completely understood! I was just stating that it wasn't just the age issue that makes that theory not fit for me. I have been wrong before and I will be again.
I truly enjoy reading ALL theories, even those not my own so hope I didn't offend. It would be boring if we all thought the same, and I'm sure we've all seen cases
end in ways we never would have expected, I am hoping so hard this is one of them for me.

 

[GigTu]

You said a PI "came in here" May I asm, Where is "here"?

WS. Thread 1.

 

[SherlockJ]

Her phone crossing state lines (IF true) could mean something other than trafficking.

Absolutely! If LE has proof the phone crossed state lines and they also had proof she left Met Life with someone she was acquainted with it would speak volumes. Her mothers question regarding her demeanor would become even more critical; At that point she may have even been questioning whether they ran off together. We don't even know if SG had been seen locally between the time she disappeared and the press conference. That could explain a lot of the family's words....