MI MI - Danielle Stislicki, 28, Southfield, 2 Dec 2016 #9

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Midge Montana said:
Respectfully, do you think a judge would sign a search warrant(s) on such flimsy reasoning? Not to mention they did multiple searches. I hope to heck it takes more than such a loose profile to do that.
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The Judge certainly didn't give them a warrant for his arrest. It's possible SG has a record and thus makes the process all that much easier when forgoing his 4A rights.
 
hashbrownz said:
Just thought of something. In the scenario somebody else drove DS's Jeep, I wonder if the mud (that her mom said is usually always there) helped cover their tracks of where they took it. Has anyone considered this in prior threads?
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It's my understanding that when things such as mud and debris is taken from under the car and other areas, they can tell where the automobile has been and what areas are likely to have this type of ground/dirt debris. This may narrow down a specific location for them to get samples and compare likenesses if they have a location in mind. It may be a special kind of debris that only apply's to certain areas. Just MOO. I remember hearing about a case where this happened. It seemed only a certain kind of weed was prevalent.
 
recovering said:
http://www.npr.org/sections/alltech...new-car-has-a-black-box-wheres-the-off-switch

The car has a black box in it. That is a newer car. If you looked at it's EDR (it's black box) it'd tell you exactly what that car did once it left the parking lot.

I do not trust the Foxnews anonymous source.

Also, the rampant speculation towards the SG is ludicrous. He hadn't worked there since October. He wasn't in the building with her that day. I said in the previous thread #8 that it's more likely he's all the police had to go off of when trying to find a possible suspect. They look at things like "disgruntled former employee who was familiar with missing person" as a way of developing leads based on profiles that fit that kind of description.
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How about you give us a link to this for her model of car so we can look it over? What I found does not show the information that you stated is recorded.
 
recovering said:
http://www.npr.org/sections/alltech...new-car-has-a-black-box-wheres-the-off-switch

The car has a black box in it. That is a newer car. If you looked at it's EDR (it's black box) it'd tell you exactly what that car did once it left the parking lot.

I do not trust the Foxnews anonymous source.

Also, the rampant speculation towards the SG is ludicrous. He hadn't worked there since October. He wasn't in the building with her that day. I said in the previous thread #8 that it's more likely he's all the police had to go off of when trying to find a possible suspect. They look at things like "disgruntled former employee who was familiar with missing person" as a way of developing leads based on profiles that fit that kind of description.
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It depends on the model and type of car and what the black box actually records...I read about it in another case I saw here but I cannot remember the name, I'll have to look later at my laptop history but I'm not with my laptop right now.

I could buy that maybe the SG wasn't a viable possible suspect if he had his house searched once but they did it twice..

Also has anyone heard if the cars that they took were returned to the owners yet? It has been so long. Just wondering outloud here, I doubt LE offers up replacement/rental to drive if they confiscate someone's vehicle lol I wonder if people in the SG situation actually complain to LE about not having a car to drive, even if you end up not being a PI I'd imagine pestering the cops on when your car is going to be returned is a bad idea. No real point here, just that it's a long time for someone not to have their car and I wonder how long it usually takes to examine an entire vehicle
 
Gardenista said:
How about you give us a link to this for her model of car so we can look it over? What I found does not show the information that you stated is recorded.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeep_Renegade_(BU)

Here is her car. It's a newer design and you can guarantee (because of the as stated insurance reasons) that this car is equipped with an ECR due to it being, as a platform only 3 years old.

Honestly, I'd fully expect cars even from the 90s to have ECR's in some form. Any car that is fuel-injected has a computer on it. It has sensors and it records that information and syncs it in order to run the car. I know this sounds crazy to some of you, but it's not a leap in reasoning to anyone who understands computers and how they work.
 
recovering said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeep_Renegade_(BU)

Here is her car. It's a newer design and you can guarantee (because of the as stated insurance reasons) that this car is equipped with an ECR due to it being, as a platform only 3 years old.

Honestly, I'd fully expect cars even from the 90s to have ECR's in some form. Any car that is fuel-injected has a computer on it. It has sensors and it records that information and syncs it in order to run the car. I know this sounds crazy to some of you, but it's not a leap in reasoning to anyone who understands computers and how they work.
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I didn't say it didn't have one. I want to see that the events you stated in your post are actually recorded by the EDR in her Jeep. What I found does not show what you stated.

http://www.jeep.com.eg/en/docs/om/bu/files/assets/basic-html/page292.html
 
recovering said:
Good find but read carefully:

"typically 30 seconds or less"

That is because people are concerned over privacy and don't want to think their car is recording them every time they turn it on.

If the data is being recorded, it is there.

So, I'll be your expert. When you turn in harddrives after they have sensitive material on them, you don't just "hit delete" on everything. All that does is tell the operating system that this old file is now not viewable. To get rid of data you have "z" it out. What this means is that the harddrive is overwritten (usually in 0's) multiple times to prevent that information from ever being restored.

Computer forensics is really fascinating. You have to understand that you can't just plug in a diagnostic machine to recover this data. It's more complicated than that. To assume that privacy measures are being 'built' into the EDR and that it zeros out all data recordings once the car shuts off is willful at best. The truth is that they have the car and it's a huge piece of evidence. One of the agencies working with FHPD should be able to make a detailed account of what that car did. Typically, the newer the car, the easier this data should be able to be obtained.
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From your earlier link https://www.edmunds.com/car-technology/car-black-box-recorders-capture-crash-data.html

it states:

Most event data recorders are programmed to record data in a continuous loop, writing over information again and again until a vehicle is in a front-end collision or other crash. When an accident occurs, the device automatically saves up to 5 seconds of data from immediately before, during and after an incident.

Do you know how long that continuous loop lasts? i.e. does it write over the info each time the car starts up.
 
Bird of Paradise said:
From your earlier link https://www.edmunds.com/car-technology/car-black-box-recorders-capture-crash-data.html

it states:

Most event data recorders are programmed to record data in a continuous loop, writing over information again and again until a vehicle is in a front-end collision or other crash. When an accident occurs, the device automatically saves up to 5 seconds of data from immediately before, during and after an incident.

Do you know how long that continuous loop lasts? i.e. does it write over the info each time the car starts up.
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It says in the manual "typically 30 seconds" but I imagine that because of the relative cheapness when it comes to computer memory, that even if the module was only a megabyte in size, it could have more data on it than just 30 seconds worth before it was overwritten. And, even if it was overwritten, there will still be data that can be recovered by an expert computer forensic scientist.
 
I am not a computer genius, but I understand many operations.

From your statement, recovering, "t's more complicated than that. To assume that privacy measures are being 'built' into the EDR and that it zeros out all data recordings once the car shuts off is willful at best".

Am I misreading this in that when the car shuts off, it is suppose to erase all data recordings? However, that is not usually the case?

If it is suppose to erase all the data, then why have it and what good is it?
 
1&2&3 said:
I am not a computer genius, but I understand many operations.

From your statement, recovering, "t's more complicated than that. To assume that privacy measures are being 'built' into the EDR and that it zeros out all data recordings once the car shuts off is willful at best".

Am I misreading this in that when the car shuts off, it is suppose to erase all data recordings? However, that is not usually the case?

If it is suppose to erase all the data, then why have it and what good is it?
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Sorry, you misunderstood me. I doubt the car erases anything, ever. The only limited resource would be the amount of memory (harddrive/read only memory space) it has before it overwrites old data.
 
recovering said:
http://www.npr.org/sections/alltech...new-car-has-a-black-box-wheres-the-off-switch

The car has a black box in it. That is a newer car. If you looked at it's EDR (it's black box) it'd tell you exactly what that car did once it left the parking lot.

I do not trust the Foxnews anonymous source.

Also, the rampant speculation towards the SG is ludicrous. He hadn't worked there since October. He wasn't in the building with her that day. I said in the previous thread #8 that it's more likely he's all the police had to go off of when trying to find a possible suspect. They look at things like "disgruntled former employee who was familiar with missing person" as a way of developing leads based on profiles that fit that kind of description.
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BBM to ask...Curious, is this an opinion or was it stated as fact somewhere?
(Info about the car black box was quite informative).
 
recovering said:
Sorry, you misunderstood me. I doubt the car erases anything, ever. The only limited resource would be the amount of memory (harddrive/read only memory space) it has before it overwrites old data.
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So exactly what are you saying they can use out of all of this to track the movements of her car the night she disappeared?
 
gam said:
So exactly what are you saying they can use out of all of this to track the movements of her car the night she disappeared?
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Bingo. And even then, it wouldn't be 'tracking' it would be: when was it last used (this would answer if the car arrived their on the 2nd or the next day on the 3rd), how far did it go, what routes could it have conceivable taken, etc.

As for the SG, he could have been in the building there that day I suppose, but it wasn't because he was gainfully employed there...
 
I'm sure an insurance adjuster would know the real story here. Anybody know a current one?
 
Dear Recovering,

Your generosity in sharing your knowledge about this is wonderful !

I not only find this fascinating but looking at other aspects of this case is a breath of fresh air.

Thank you for this. I know this will lead us to looking at other angles of this case.

Welcome !
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recovering:

I think I am misunderstanding you or missing something.

I appreciated hearing that most newer cars are equipped with EDRs. I didn't know this. I remain confused about what meaningful data could be obtained from the EDR in DSs Jeep if it wasn't in an accident or some other unusual circumstance. The manual states:

NOTE: EDR data are recorded by your vehicle only if a
non-trivial crash situation occurs; no data are recorded by
the EDR under normal driving conditions and no per-
sonal data (e.g., name, gender, age, and crash location)
are recorded.

https://www.manualslib.com/manual/1144814/Jeep-Renegade-2015.html?page=278

Which last 2 pages are you referring to ? Starting at 668 or 278 ?
 
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