MI MI - Jessica Heeringa, 25, Norton Shores, 26 April 2013 #7

[giagreen]

I just wish they would grant immunity for someone with info about where she is. Why els would someone ask about immunity if they didn't know something. And if that person who asked about immunity does know something then it seems to me they are ready to talk if immunity was granted...they are just scared to come foreword.

 

[PBJ2585]

I agree! Rewards aren't the answer. Look at Kortne Stouffer's case..lher reward is at 42,000 and nothing! While it's a nice gesture it won't get results like immunity.

Right, so if a person has knowledge and is an accessory to the crime/ abduction, then they could be convicted as well, so if they were looking to get that reward money, there's no way...maybe granting immunity will achieve in Jessica being found, though.......
IMOO.

 

[imamaze]

http://www.mlive.com/news/muskegon/index.ssf/2013/08/jessica_heeringa_abduction_cas_2.html
Jessica Heeringa abduction case: Grandparents 'disheartened' as 100th day since disappearance nears
For the grandparents of Jessica Heeringa, the nearly 100 days their granddaughter, whom they affectionately call their "little pixie girl," has been gone feels like 100 years.
Sunday, Aug. 4, will mark the 100th day that the 25-year-old gas station clerk from Muskegon disappeared, allegedly abducted while finishing her night shift.
A suspect or suspects have not been identified and authorities have said they have very little to go on in terms of solving the case. A police official whose department is heading the case described the investigation as becoming "frustrating."

 

[Treelights]

http://www.mlive.com/news/muskegon/index.ssf/2013/08/jessica_heeringa_abduction_cas_2.html

"Shaw said the only real solid piece of evidence they have – the very small droplet of blood discovered outside the Exxon station that was determined to have belonged to Heeringa – didn’t really answer anything."


"The only thing anyone allegedly saw was an obscure silver or gray minivan near the gas station around the time Heeringa was last seen inside the business. A sketch was created based on a witnesses description of the driver of that van, but police can’t say without a doubt whether that man or the van is responsible for Heeringa’s disappearance."


So there ya go............they cannot determine/say without a doubt if the man in the sketch or van is responsible for Jessica's disappearance.........

Where are you Miss Jessica?

IMOO.

 

[Eileen730]

The only person that knows anything about Jessica's whereabouts is the person that did it and will not claim any reward . His freedom is his reward. IMO the person responsible knows her . If a stranger did this I think she would be found.

 

[Treelights]

http://www.mlive.com/news/muskegon/index.ssf/2013/08/jessica_heeringa_abduction_cas_2.html

Per the article sounds like Shaw is questioning the use of the private detective and the article says the facebook page has caused some grief. Shaw is wondering, with the detective being hired, if Jessica would be moved around again, if that is the case.

Well, there is no proof given to the media that she is alive or dead.
If they don't search, they don't find.
Having only one person on Jessica's case seems like the case has gone Cold, IMOO.
If it is correct that a detective "snooping" would cause Jessica to be moved, then maybe that would lead to some "evidence". Right now, the case looks like it has gone COLD to me, and I had held out hope for the longest time that LE had something up their sleeve, but I guess they are wearing sleeveless shirts.
SAD!
IMOO.

 

[Treelights]

The only person that knows anything about Jessica's whereabouts is the person that did it and will not claim any reward . His freedom is his reward. IMO the person responsible knows her . If a stranger did this I think she would be found.

You said it perfectly...........His FREEDOM is HIS REWARD!!!!
IMOO.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

http://www.mlive.com/news/muskegon/index.ssf/2013/08/jessica_heeringa_abduction_cas_2.html

"Shaw said the only real solid piece of evidence they have – the very small droplet of blood discovered outside the Exxon station that was determined to have belonged to Heeringa – didn’t really answer anything."

"The only thing anyone allegedly saw was an obscure silver or gray minivan near the gas station around the time Heeringa was last seen inside the business. A sketch was created based on a witnesses description of the driver of that van, but police can’t say without a doubt whether that man or the van is responsible for Heeringa’s disappearance."

So there ya go............they cannot determine/say without a doubt if the man in the sketch or van is responsible for Jessica's disappearance.........

Where are you Miss Jessica?

IMOO.

This article describes the blood found at the scene as "a very small droplet" while Jessica's grandparents suggested that the blood was "one inch by one inch". To me, that sounds larger than the "droplet" as stated by LE, and I don't find this to be a significant amount of blood. :moo:

Slightly OT: DH and I hosted a family gathering on July 4. We were sitting outdoors, and I was absentmindedly scratching an insect bite on the side of my leg. All of a sudden, one of my sisters pointed out that "blood was running down my leg", and I realized that I must have been scratching furiously and caused the small bite to bleed profusely. I quickly wiped the blood with a napkin and went into the house to clean off the blood and put a bandage on the bite. Blood hadn't dripped onto the deck, but there was more than a "droplet" on my Isotoner slipper. It doesn't take a struggle or being injured by another person to cause an insignificant amount of blood. :moo:

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

:moo:

Right, so if a person has knowledge and is an accessory to the crime/ abduction, then they could be convicted as well, so if they were looking to get that reward money, there's no way...maybe granting immunity will achieve in Jessica being found, though.......
IMOO.

Additionally, I think that fear of retaliation might weight heavily on the mind of someone who knows something about Jessica's disappearance but doesn't want to come forward with information. :moo:

 

[goldenbear]

http://www.mlive.com/news/muskegon/index.ssf/2013/08/jessica_heeringa_abduction_cas_2.html
To me this isan important article. It is the first one that I have been able to post that Chief Shaw says the task force has been reduced to one man. I posted earlier but didnt have a citation. I did not receive any response from TES on them coming for a search. One difficulty for searchers is transportation. My friend who just returned to the area from California had to fly to Chicago and then take a train to the Norton Shores area.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

It could be that it was slow that night and she had all her stuff done and could leave earlier than she did on busier nights.

Still, would she be allowed to lock up before 11:30?
When I worked retail, busy or not, we couldn't close before closing time.
On Friday night, I'd be eager to get out of there so I'd begin counting my drawer maybe twenty minutes before closing hoping to walk out precisely at closing time but not a minute before. So, did Jessica often stay beyond 11:30 in order to mop or help prepare for the next day? Did her job involve stocking shelves or tasks you'd do after you lock all the doors so you won't be interrupted? If so, maybe sometimes she'd stay and do that kind of work and not get home for another hour or so. In that case, his comment makes sense. In other words, what the heck did he mean exactly? Since Jessica was taken at approximately 11:00 instead of closer to 11:30, her exact intentions are important imo. His comment makes it sound as if she'd be closing early when he may mean she expressed she could finish all her duties in time to close and come right home. Either way, she'd be there until at least 11:30. Here's an example of why good communication is important. Or, the reporter could have asked an exact question as in, "What time were you expecting Jessica to arrive home?".

Jessica's mom mentioned duties like cleaning the drink machines. If business is slow, even if one person comes in while your hands are busy/wet cleaning machines, how do you move over to handle cash, etc.? It seems like some jobs would be easier to handle when no customers are around or expected.

 

[Treelights]

What is interesting to me is that when Dakotah called Jessica, he wanted to see how work was going, and to see how fast she was going to be out of there. If she routinely started closing early, then why would he even ask that? He would know by her habits right, about when to expect her home. Why was this night any different that he would ask that question?
Of course we do know that night was different because she was abducted, but as far as her job, I would think that she normally closed this way and if she didn't, why did she want to be home "quick"??
IMOO.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

http://www.wzzm13.com/news/story.aspx?storyid=259133&odyssey=obinsite

This is an older article but one of the most recent - about the private detective who is working on the case. Some of the comments are interesting but nothing we haven't asked about or questioned ourselves. Some of the responses are interesting too.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

http://www.mlive.com/news/muskegon/index.ssf/2013/08/jessica_heeringa_abduction_cas_2.html
To me this isan important article. It is the first one that I have been able to post that Chief Shaw says the task force has been reduced to one man. I posted earlier but didnt have a citation. I did not receive any response from TES on them coming for a search. One difficulty for searchers is transportation. My friend who just returned to the area from California had to fly to Chicago and then take a train to the Norton Shores area.

Your heart is in the right place for sure. I don't believe TES can or will conduct searches when neither the family of the victim nor the police in charge of the case have made a formal request asking them to do so. That is TES has not been invited/asked to search by an official source directly related to the case. They won't respond to random requests. I'm sure there are several reasons why they can't insert themselves into a case without a formal invitation.

 

[cluciano63]

TES also, as far as I know, wants to have specific areas to search. Where would they start? Where could LE direct them?

 

[cebee]

http://www.mlive.com/news/muskegon/index.ssf/2013/08/jessica_heeringa_abduction_cas_2.html
To me this isan important article. It is the first one that I have been able to post that Chief Shaw says the task force has been reduced to one man. I posted earlier but didnt have a citation. I did not receive any response from TES on them coming for a search. One difficulty for searchers is transportation. My friend who just returned to the area from California had to fly to Chicago and then take a train to the Norton Shores area.

Actually there are several airports closer than Chicago. Muskegon has one and it is about 5 min ( if that ) from the Exxon station. So transportation would not be an issue...

 

[Flutterby80]

http://www.mlive.com/news/muskegon/index.ssf/2013/08/jessica_heeringa_abduction_cas_2.html
To me this isan important article. It is the first one that I have been able to post that Chief Shaw says the task force has been reduced to one man. I posted earlier but didnt have a citation. I did not receive any response from TES on them coming for a search. One difficulty for searchers is transportation. My friend who just returned to the area from California had to fly to Chicago and then take a train to the Norton Shores area.

Muskegon has an airport that you can actually see from the Exxon station. And Grand Rapids Gerald R Ford airport is good-sized. Nobody has to take Amtrack from Chicago, but some people do for whatever reason.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

What is interesting to me is that when Dakotah called Jessica, he wanted to see how work was going, and to see how fast she was going to be out of there. If she routinely started closing early, then why would he even ask that? He would know by her habits right, about when to expect her home. Why was this night any different that he would ask that question?
Of course we do know that night was different because she was abducted, but as far as her job, I would think that she normally closed this way and if she didn't, why did she want to be home "quick"??
IMOO.

The phone conversation about when Jessica would be home from work that night has always been puzzling to me :waitasec: I posted this on June 12:

I thought that the fiancé's comments seemed odd, too. Was he suggesting that Jessica didn't always come straight home from work after her shift but that she was coming right home that particular night? I sure would like to know exactly what was said in the phone call during which JH told her fiancé that she'd be home early (right after work). If she didn't always go home immediately after her shift ended, where did she go? IIRC, fiancé mentioned something about watching a movie, so Jessica must not have been tired enough to crash as soon as she got home from work.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Muskegon has an airport that you can actually see from the Exxon station. And Grand Rapids Gerald R Ford airport is good-sized. Nobody has to take Amtrack from Chicago, but some people do for whatever reason.

There probably aren't direct flights from California to smaller airports in Michigan like there are to DTW. Chicago would be the closest major airport to Norton Shores but would necessitate a plane change to fly into Grand Rapids or one of the smaller municipal airports in the immediate area. These intermediary flights can be quite expensive, so taking the train from Chicago to the Muskegon area would definitely be cheaper.

 

[Flutterby80]

There probably aren't direct flights from California to smaller airports in Michigan like there are to DTW. Chicago would be the closest major airport to Norton Shores but would necessitate a plane change to fly into Grand Rapids or one of the smaller municipal airports in the immediate area. These intermediary flights can be quite expensive, so taking the train from Chicago to the Muskegon area would definitely be cheaper.

Sometimes yes, sometimes no. Grand Rapids is where everyone I know departs from most of the time. Sometimes a drive to Chicago or Detroit is worth it, but when you add in airport parking, a lot of times it doesn't cost any more for someone to just drop you off in Grand Rapids. The only time I ever flew out of Muskegon, it was to Florida with an Atlanta connection. Flying out of Muskegon was nice, but changing planes in Altanta was not fun.

I was really just saying that Norton Shores is not a difficult place to access via air. Something else I see once in awhile on here is that Norton Shores is a resort town. I guess it might seem that way if you are from a very big city, but Norton Shores really is mostly middle class working folks. Lots of factories (although, not nearly as many as there were 5-6 years ago) that depend on the auto industry to survive. There are some very expensive houses on Lake Michigan, and some of those are owned by executives from Chicago, etc...but honestly not that many. Grand Haven, just south of Norton Shores, is a much smaller city that is also on Lake Michigan, but it is much more resorty (if that is a word...probably not).