MI MI - Julia Niswender, 23, EMU student, Ypsilanti, 10 Dec 2012 - #3

[rosesfromangels]

I had the distinct honor of knowing one of the Bay Area's best homicide detectives. What a character he was! He was involved in some high profile cases; one wAs even made in to movie. He used to fascinate us all with his tales, and he had the most extraordinary mind. As far as sleuthing goes, I remember him saying a thousand times to focus on the WHY and the WHO will become a natural byproduct of that.

So let's drill down more on the WHY and pull them apart. What are all the top possibilities?

 

[Mountaingazer]

I had the distinct honor of knowing one of the Bay Area's best homicide detectives. What a character he was! He was involved in some high profile cases; one wAs even made in to movie. He used to fascinate us all with his tales, and he had the most extraordinary mind. As far as sleuthing goes, I remember him saying a thousand times to focus on the WHY and the WHO will become a natural byproduct of that.

So let's drill down more on the WHY and pull them apart. What are all the top possibilities?

I like this idea!

why? She knew something about someone and either threatened to tell or the person feared she would tell. Could go along with her "trust no one" post on SM.

 

[dmc43613]

My top Why possibilities :

-Infidelity of Perp
-Discovery of a Crime/Secret of the Perp ...threat to go public
-Accidental and panicked

 

[rosesfromangels]

These are good! I want everyone to come up with three theories, we will find the top 3 top picks, and then drill down from there.

Opposing theories encouraged. Everyone's speculation is respected and appreciated.

 

[Trojan1966]

I like this idea!

why? She knew something about someone and either threatened to tell or the person feared she would tell. Could go along with her "trust no one" post on SM.

This is the best "WHY" that I can think of. She was very friendly and was very outgoing. I believe that she did know something and someone did not want that to be known by anyone. I believe that person was very much afraid that the information would be exposed. Possibly looking for some notes or a diary to see if Julia had written something down - thus the apartment was in disarray! JMO and ideas.

 

[Trojan1966]

Short news flash - JT's pretrial for the child ponograpy charge is scheduled for 9AM on Friday in Monroe Circuit Court. This could be rescheduled as his lawyer is in a "cold case" trial across the state defending one of the suspects. All closing arguments were done yesterday in the trial and it should go to the jury today. I'm sure if he can't get back to Monroe by Friday, he'll request a reschedule. I'll let everyone know what happens on Friday.

 

[MIMOMMY]

Trojan - Thank you for the update. My understanding was that even if court did happen on the 8th - it would not be much to speak of as they would only be confirming that his attorney had had a chance to review the images and they would then be scheduling a trial date.

 

[rosesfromangels]

My top 3 theories:

1. She was going to expose the Perp for something; she was going to tell
2. Heated argument; the Perp lost his temper
3. She slighted a suitor, or random campus weirdo

 

[Forager]

These are good! I want everyone to come up with three theories, we will find the top 3 top picks, and then drill down from there.

Opposing theories encouraged. Everyone's speculation is respected and appreciated.

Three theories?! I only have half of one theory, and I don't have much confidence in it! Coming up with two and a half more has my brain in a snarl of questions, contradictions and doubt - usually a good reason to keep ones mouth shut. Nevertheless:

-- JT, a bipolar, is thrown off kilter by some unidentified stresser in his life and cycles into a hyper-manic state in which judgement suffers and confidence abounds. His already difficult relationship with Julia hit a crisis for some unknown reason and he jumps to the conclusion that a brilliant solution would be to kill her. He's been to her apartment before, and knows, from family members who visited her on the day before her death, that she should be at her apartment that evening. She lets him in the door. He uses a choke hold, which he was able to master using his martial arts skills, to kill her without leaving outward marks. He tries to wash fiber or DNA evidence off of her in her tub. Whatever DNA evidence he does leave has to be written off by LE as explainable thru JT's and JN's known contacts. JT is able to provide a fake but plausible alibi.

-- An acquaintance of Julia's visits her, freaks out for some unknown reason, chokes her in a way that, by sheer luck, leaves no marks. The killer moves her body to the bathroom with the vague thought that it would be less likely to be seen thru the curtained first floor window in her room. The killer is a man (strength and violence) with problems with impulse and anger control. He is familiar with Peninsular Place and might already have been in to her apartment for some legitimate reason. Wierd bad luck somehow prevents LE from quickly scooping up a suspect for this unplanned, amateur murder by someone with links to Julia.

-- A serial killer with great charm and or conning skills talks his way into an acquaintance with Julia and gets into her apartment with her permission. He artfully asphyxiates her. He loses his mojo, or didn't have a sexual motivation in the first place, washes the body of trace evidence, and leaves. (I think that TSR* should be alerted to this theory).

I'm going to go back now, if I may, to the maps, where I have more of a chance of being right about something.

* TSR = Television Script Writers.

 

[FindHG]

My top 3 theories:

1. She was going to expose the Perp for something; she was going to tell
2. Heated argument; the Perp lost his temper
3. She slighted a suitor, or random campus weirdo

My top Why possibilities :
-Infidelity of Perp
-Discovery of a Crime/Secret of the Perp ...threat to go public
-Accidental and panicked

Three theories?! I only have half of one theory, and I don't have much confidence in it! Coming up with two and a half more has my brain in a snarl of questions, contradictions and doubt - usually a good reason to keep ones mouth shut. Nevertheless:

-- JT, a bipolar, is thrown off kilter by some unidentified stresser in his life and cycles into a hyper-manic state in which judgement suffers and confidence abounds. His already difficult relationship with Julia hit a crisis for some unknown reason and he jumps to the conclusion that a brilliant solution would be to kill her. He's been to her apartment before, and knows, from family members who visited her on the day before her death, that she should be at her apartment that evening. She lets him in the door. He uses a choke hold, which he was able to master using his martial arts skills, to kill her without leaving outward marks. He tries to wash fiber or DNA evidence off of her in her tub. Whatever DNA evidence he does leave has to be written off by LE as explainable thru JT's and JN's known contacts. JT is able to provide a fake but plausible alibi.

-- An acquaintance of Julia's visits her, freaks out for some unknown reason, chokes her in a way that, by sheer luck, leaves no marks. The killer moves her body to the bathroom with the vague thought that it would be less likely to be seen thru the curtained first floor window in her room. The killer is a man (strength and violence) with problems with impulse and anger control. He is familiar with Peninsular Place and might already have been in to her apartment for some legitimate reason. Wierd bad luck somehow prevents LE from quickly scooping up a suspect for this unplanned, amateur murder by someone with links to Julia.

-- A serial killer with great charm and or conning skills talks his way into an acquaintance with Julia and gets into her apartment with her permission. He artfully asphyxiates her. He loses his mojo, or didn't have a sexual motivation in the first place, washes the body of trace evidence, and leaves. (I think that TSR* should be alerted to this theory).

I'm going to go back now, if I may, to the maps, where I have more of a chance of being right about something.

* TSR = Television Script Writers.

Those about cover it for me, a combo of roses 1. dmc's infidelity, and Forager's JT. Awesome conjecture.

 

[Aynia]

What I think is most amazing about this particular thread is that not only do we have family members - but we also have an employer of the POI, as well as family friends. It's not often in the case's that I follow on here that you have the ability to question many different angles of the victims life.

Completely agree and thank you all insiders for being civil in your discussions, you're all an invaluable source of information. You're all just awesome persons, you made me restore my faith on human kind. So THANK YOU!!!

 

[FindHG]

Short news flash - JT's pretrial for the child ponograpy charge is scheduled for 9AM on Friday in Monroe Circuit Court. This could be rescheduled as his lawyer is in a "cold case" trial across the state defending one of the suspects. All closing arguments were done yesterday in the trial and it should go to the jury today. I'm sure if he can't get back to Monroe by Friday, he'll request a reschedule. I'll let everyone know what happens on Friday.

Thank you, Trojan1966, for this update and being an inspiring and even keeled champion for justice for Julia.

 

[Forager]

Those about cover it for me, a combo of roses 1. dmc's infidelity, and Forager's JT. Awesome conjecture.

Black_Squirrel? I think that I might have plagiarized much of a theory you had offered in your 05-04-2015, 09:38 PM post. Do you want to put it into the running? Any other also-ran candidates to offer for the Three Theories analysis?

 

[Trojan1966]

Trojan - Thank you for the update. My understanding was that even if court did happen on the 8th - it would not be much to speak of as they would only be confirming that his attorney had had a chance to review the images and they would then be scheduling a trial date.

It's a pretrial hearing. If it is determined there is enough evidence for a trial, then he will be bound over for a trial. It sounds like the DA has enough and even found more evidence, so this may merely be a formality.

 

[rosesfromangels]

Is it possible Julia had found out about the child *advertiser censored*?
And, I am so sorry to say this because it's upsetting, but the youngest daughter is at an age that is interesting to pedophiles. I pray there is no such connection.

 

[MIMOMMY]

The hearing scheduled for Friday has been postponed.

 

[rosesfromangels]

The hearing scheduled for Friday has been postponed. I believe we will see other changes in the next few days based on conversations I had tonight.

Such as? Are you suggesting dismissal?

 

[FindHG]

Is it possible Julia had found out about the child *advertiser censored*?
And, I am so sorry to say this because it's upsetting, but the youngest daughter is at an age that is interesting to pedophiles. I pray there is no such connection.

Either that, but if sexual impulse issues, control issues, personal boundary issues, with a possible history of prying on vulnerable impressionable females to get near their children, it could be possible that if the other proclivities hadn't yet pushed his family apart, besides Julia, that news of an affair/s with other women may have? Considering he did clean in the Ypsilanti area, it may be possible Julia ran into him at the wrong place at the wrong time, and he knew and was afraid of her saying something or having some physical evidence thus the disarray in the room? She may have known and had no intention to tell too, and the "Trust no one" text may have been about his attempts to fish for information around her and her reaction.

If Julia was taking action over child *advertiser censored* or whatever else and Turnquist was in any way threatened by this or knew or suspected, then his motive may have only been self-preservation, thus no full statement that would make all this go away, it seems. He may not have ever cared more for his children than himself. What would prompt Julia to take action though? I imagine it would involve support from an other or others along the way, it seems possible. She was a girl who took big strides in a short time.

 

[4ist]

Roses, the earthquake was apparently felt by some in my general area (it occurred aboit 90 miles west of us, I believe), but we did not know it had happened. We have now had a tornado, floods, and an earthquake. Life can be full of changes and drama here.


You have many good questions. What has really bothers me is the idea of having a curtain replace the bathroom door. If true, this is absurd. Sounds voyeuristic, at the very least. Trojan, had you heard this, also? Curtains keep no sounds of bathroom uses blocked out, and little bits that don't "seal" allow for peeks. How old were the girls when this occurred? We all deserve bathroom privacy. Why, why, why would this have been allowed? This has bothered me all day!

Spellbound, indeed JT did remove the bathroom door and they hung a curtain up. I expressed my concerns many times, but Kim made the excuse that they needed to put a shelf in the bathroom & in order for it to fit in the bathroom they had to remove the door.

 

[rosesfromangels]

Spellbound, indeed JT did remove the bathroom door and they hung a curtain up. I expressed my concerns many times, but Kim made the excuse that they needed to put a shelf in the bathroom & in order for it to fit in the bathroom they had to remove the door.

Very disturbing at many levels, especially that Mom didn't protect her girls' privacy. Beyond outrageous. Creepy.