MI MI - Julia Niswender, 23, EMU student, Ypsilanti, 10 Dec 2012 - #4

[Deleted member 132804]

My guess is that the killer did not know that Julia was alone that evening and that the murder was not pre-meditated. I doubt if Julia knew that she would be alone that evening. In fact, Julia wasn't completely alone. One of the roommates (KM) did come in that Sunday evening, but left after a short time. She only picked up a few items before staying at her boyfriend's place. My guess is that KM didn't plan this far ahead, otherwise she would have taken the items with her before she left the house. So I think it is unlikely that Julia knew about KM's plans for that evening, especially since Julia and KM weren't on good terms. To put it differently, I think the only people who knew that Julia would be alone that evening were KM and her boyfriend. But I understand that KM and her boyfriend are not suspects and have passed a polygraph test.

I think that it is more likely that the perp somehow entered Julia's apartment (perhaps Julia let him/her in) and then noticed that she was alone. I do think that she may have talked to someone earlier that day about her evening plans. Perhaps someone was coming over for a visit, or perhaps just to pick up or drop off something. Also, I believe that some of her coworkers were aware that she had gone on a date the night before.

So the big question in my mind is; Who would visit Julia's apartment late Sunday night? And why? Also, I read in an earlier thread, items from the apartment were missing (taken). I wonder if the items only belonged to Julia? I don't recall LE or family even saying what items were missing. It's unusual to think LE wouldn't have a fingerprint or something to go on since someone entered the apartment and Julia's room and bathroom. They would have locked two doors behind them. Could they have wiped to doors clean to cover their tracks? I agreed, it may not have been pre-meditated, however, once it did happen, someone must have covered their tracks quickly and well. Better than most unplanned.

 

[FindHG]

In response to the unknown random assailant theory, up thread, that has seemed less likely to me, the more I've learned about Julia:

So, Julia either opened the door or somehow ended up with somebody in her room, after work, while planning to study for exams, at the end of the semester, when fewer are still around in her apartment or school, to notice her missing, after a lunch with her sisters even, so not expecting them to check in soon either, after the text she may or may not have last sent before 11 pm. Then, she, Julia without a struggle, stood half clad by her tub while this person stole her breath and drowned her.

It's a hard sell, seems to me, that she didn't know this person well or that they didn't know her well. This person knew her well enough to try to set up her murder like an accident, and that was important to this person that it take place in a bathroom, it seems to me. After all, alone in her room, over-powering her, obviously, this person had all kinds of choices in how they chose to murder her, why choose this way?

LE has checked out all her friends, pertinent videos, and yet still wait for Turnquist to give a full accounting of where he was, as the focus seems to have honed in on him with more information coming into the Monroe PD, perhaps?

 

[Deleted member 132804]

In response to the unknown random assailant theory, up thread, that has seemed less likely to me, the more I've learned about Julia:

So, Julia either opened the door or somehow ended up with somebody in her room, after work, while planning to study for exams, at the end of the semester, when fewer are still around in her apartment or school, to notice her missing, after a lunch with her sisters even, so not expecting them to check in soon either, after the text she may or may not have last sent before 11 pm. Then, she, Julia without a struggle, stood half clad by her tub while this person stole her breath and drowned her.

It's a hard sell, seems to me, that she didn't know this person well or that they didn't know her well. This person knew her well enough to try to set up her murder like an accident, and that was important to this person that it take place in a bathroom, it seems to me. After all, alone in her room, over-powering her, obviously, this person had all kinds of choices in how they chose to murder her, why choose this way?

LE has checked out all her friends, pertinent videos, and yet still wait for Turnquist to give a full accounting of where he was, as the focus seems to have honed in on him with more information coming into the Monroe PD, perhaps?

I wonder about JT's alabi, in that, he could have waited for his wife and child to fall asleep in Monroe. Found an extra key to Julia's apartment, maybe the mom kept. Drove to Ypsilanti, got into the apartment and surprised Julia while she slept. But why end her life? Did she have something on him? I know there is talk of possible abuse in the past but unless it's investigated at the time of occurrence it seems like a he said/she said going no where. Could Julia have said something at the lunch she had earlier in the day to her sisters about JT that got back to him. Enraging him enough to want to confront her and/or scare her by entering the apartment unexpectedly while she slept. Maybe he entered the apartment to assault her and things went wrong. He may have went in disguise and she ID'ed him. Did JT ever make inappropriate comments or passes at Julia? If JT did drive to Ypsilanti Sunday night/early Monday morning and he had his cell phone on him, even if it was off, LE might be able to track this.

Note: I'm only inquiring about Julia maybe having a conversion about JT with the sisters and it enraging JT because it's been intimated before JT may "fly off the handle" so to speak about family stuff.

 

[Forager]

So the big question in my mind is; Who would visit Julia's apartment late Sunday night? And why? Also, I read in an earlier thread, items from the apartment were missing (taken). I wonder if the items only belonged to Julia? I don't recall LE or family even saying what items were missing. It's unusual to think LE wouldn't have a fingerprint or something to go on since someone entered the apartment and Julia's room and bathroom. They would have locked two doors behind them. Could they have wiped to doors clean to cover their tracks? I agreed, it may not have been pre-meditated, however, once it did happen, someone must have covered their tracks quickly and well. Better than most unplanned.

LE hadn't said that items were missing. Only Jennifer Niswender had, in a passing comment. and didn't specify what. Her opinion on that conflicted with reports from other family members.

 

[psyquestor]

LE hadn't said that items were missing. Only Jennifer Niswender had, in a passing comment. and didn't specify what. Her opinion on that conflicted with reports from other family members.

(Quoted from link below) Investigators have said Julia's room was found in a "disarray," but have yet to release further details, aside from the fact that items of a significant value were still left in the room. Kim said there were still-wrapped Christmas presents in her daughter's room.

Yuhas said police do not believe robbery was the motive.

Kim said Wednesday that she is in possession of Julia's purse, which was untouched, and still has all of her credit cards and identification inside.

Investigators declined to say whether Julia's keys were in the room. Julia's bedroom door was locked from the inside, but her bathroom door was unlocked.

Yuhas said the department has investigated the case as a homicide since day one, ruling out suicide and medical reasons
http://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/index.ssf/2013/11/julia_niswender_family.html

BBM -- Robbery was not the motive according to LE. They did not reveal what items (if any) were missing. I believe it has been stated that Julia's apartment key was missing (citation needed) but the above quote states her bathroom entry was not locked.

fwiw

 

[black_squirrel]

LE hadn't said that items were missing. Only Jennifer Niswender had, in a passing comment. and didn't specify what. Her opinion on that conflicted with reports from other family members.

Which reports from other family members does Jennifers comment contradict? IIRC, a key was missing.


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[Trojan1966]

As far as I know, the trial for JT will begin soon. Regardless of what happens in the JT child *advertiser censored* trial, everyone must realize that there definitely was *advertiser censored* on the computer. Who saved it or looked at it is kinda immaterial as either way it was definitely pornographic material. I hope and pray that once we get past this event that JT and the immediate family will be more cooperative with LE to help clear up the investigation into Julia's murder. Anything LE needs to "clear" family members should be provided so they may continue doing their investigation outside the "family". I hope and pray each and every night for Justice for Julia. What has happened in the last few months concerning her "family" would be a very big disappointment to her and yet everyone must realize that all everyone wants is the truth.

 

[black_squirrel]

As far as I know, the trial for JT will begin soon. Regardless of what happens in the JT child *advertiser censored* trial, everyone must realize that there definitely was *advertiser censored* on the computer. Who saved it or looked at it is kinda immaterial as either way it was definitely pornographic material. I hope and pray that once we get past this event that JT and the immediate family will be more cooperative with LE to help clear up the investigation into Julia's murder. Anything LE needs to "clear" family members should be provided so they may continue doing their investigation outside the "family". I hope and pray each and every night for Justice for Julia. What has happened in the last few months concerning her "family" would be a very big disappointment to her and yet everyone must realize that all everyone wants is the truth.

I think the $64,000 question is whether the *advertiser censored* found on the computer is actually child *advertiser censored*. If it is just "regular *advertiser censored*" then I don't see any problem with that.

 

[Spellbound]

Why would a prosecutor even take a case to trial if they could not at least prove it was CHILD *advertiser censored*? That indicates to me that there is good reason to go forward with a trial. And what if "whatever kind of *advertiser censored*" it is could be related to other crimes? I have no idea if this is a possibility, but at this point I do give the benefit of doubt to LE for pursuing the *advertiser censored* case. I suppose I could question who actually put the *advertiser censored* on the computer, so could they have the wrong person? Maybe, but not likely IMO. Prosecutors do not take cases to trial if they are not confident that their case can be proven.

JMO

 

[FindHG]

I suppose, and just guessing here, the way a case like Turnquist's would go, is that time is his enemy, if he is guilty of things, as more information trickles in. It takes some effort to hide things well and keep them hidden through time, which may explain how LE came to charge him of child *advertiser censored*, things caught up with him. But if you look at where he's sitting now, in a residence, with an ankle bracelet, not behind bars, I would imagine as more information does come in, his lawyers may want to play for time, and JT as well, because my impression is that his disposition after the trial may be even more restrictive.

 

[Deleted member 132804]

Which reports from other family members does Jennifers comment contradict? IIRC, a key was missing.


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If a key to the apartment was missing, I'll speculate Julia may have let someone in and they took the key to lock the bedroom door and the main door behind them.

In an earlier thread, I believe thread 2, I read YPD was interested in JT as a POI, not necessarily as the killer but as someone who could lead YPD to the killer. I also read that JT was being investigated a month before Julia's death, I'm assuming for child *advertiser censored*. Maybe this is all just speculation but I'm wondering if LE was on the something much larger, with many people in the Monroe area involved.

So the question is could Julia have found out about goings on in Monroe through JT's computer? Maybe she had his email and password. Found out where he was getting his imagery from, who the friends where.

 

[FindHG]

If a key to the apartment was missing, I'll speculate Julia may have let someone in and they took the key to lock the bedroom door and the main door behind them.

In an earlier thread, I believe thread 2, I read YPD was interested in JT as a POI, not necessarily as the killer but as someone who could lead YPD to the killer. I also read that JT was being investigated a month before Julia's death, I'm assuming for child *advertiser censored*. Maybe this is all just speculation but I'm wondering if LE was on the something much larger, with many people in the Monroe area involved.

So the question is could Julia have found out about goings on in Monroe through JT's computer? Maybe she had his email and password. Found out where he was getting his imagery from, who the friends where.

I would hazard a guess that Julia's proximity to Turnquist may have exposed her to more intimate knowledge of whatever it was he may have been trying to hide than just what would appear on his stored media bytes.

As Trojan has mentioned at various times on the threads,

- Julia was helping Turnquist out at cleaning jobs for extra cash (how ironic in part to pay for the gift laptop she had on hold for him)

- and according to a veri. insider whose advert. he answered for work off a craig's list add, around the time, MIMOMMY mentioned on the thread a struggling cleaning business at the time they met.

 

[4ist]

If a key to the apartment was missing, I'll speculate Julia may have let someone in and they took the key to lock the bedroom door and the main door behind them.
In an earlier thread, I believe thread 2, I read YPD was interested in JT as a POI, not necessarily as the killer but as someone who could lead YPD to the killer. I also read that JT was being investigated a month before Julia's death, I'm assuming for child *advertiser censored*. Maybe this is all just speculation but I'm wondering if LE was on the something much larger, with many people in the Monroe area involved. From what I remember Julia's twin sister & Mom sharing with

So the question is could Julia have found out about goings on in Monroe through JT's computer? Maybe she had his email and password. Found out where he was getting his imagery from, who the friends where.

All I have ever heard from LE is the key to Julia's room was missing. As far as I know nothing else is missing from apt. Now it may be that LE doesn't want the public to know if there is anything else missing. Funny thing is I don't know if the key to enter their apt. is missing or was it left on Julia's key chain in her purse, perhaps someone else knows the answer to that.
As for JT being investigated in Nov. 2012 on Child *advertiser censored*??? The first that we heard about the child *advertiser censored* investigation was in Feb. 2015 when Monroe LE went to their home with a search warrant, because the computer that YPSI LE took in Dec. 2014 had Child *advertiser censored* on it.
As mentioned numerous times by Trojan and I, Both YPSILANTI & Monroe LE are telling us that the computer that Julia & Jennifer bought for JT as a Christmas present in 2012 (yes the year that Julia was murdered) is missing. Neither computer taken from the Turnquist's home was JT's computer! If that was such a necessity to have for his business, wonder why it can't be found!?
Also a reminder, LE has Julia's phone, it was recovered from her apt. The day they found her murdered. And they have her computer and purse.

 

[MIMOMMY]

As far as I know, the trial for JT will begin soon. Regardless of what happens in the JT child *advertiser censored* trial, everyone must realize that there definitely was *advertiser censored* on the computer. Who saved it or looked at it is kinda immaterial as either way it was definitely pornographic material. I hope and pray that once we get past this event that JT and the immediate family will be more cooperative with LE to help clear up the investigation into Julia's murder. Anything LE needs to "clear" family members should be provided so they may continue doing their investigation outside the "family". I hope and pray each and every night for Justice for Julia. What has happened in the last few months concerning her "family" would be a very big disappointment to her and yet everyone must realize that all everyone wants is the truth.

Again, not trying to stir the pot - but if it was "just" *advertiser censored* that someone downloaded, I personally don't think that plays a factor into the case with Julia. Again, JMO - and a younger generations opinion. If everyone who had "normal" *advertiser censored* saved to their computer was guilty of a crime....there would be a wait list for prison.

 

[MIMOMMY]

I would hazard a guess that Julia's proximity to Turnquist may have exposed her to more intimate knowledge of whatever it was he may have been trying to hide than just what would appear on his stored media bytes.

As Trojan has mentioned at various times on the threads,

- Julia was helping Turnquist out at cleaning jobs for extra cash (how ironic in part to pay for the gift laptop she had on hold for him)

- and according to a veri. insider whose add he answered for work, around the time, MIMOMMY mentioned on the thread a struggling cleaning business at the time they met.

**I dont believe I ever said "struggling". JT came to work as a Contracted cleaning company to my property

 

[FindHG]

**I dont believe I ever said "struggling". JT came to work as a Contracted cleaning company to my property

I'm not sure why, but I had the impression you mentioned when he answered your ad on craigslist for an accredited cleaner, he'd mentioned that his business had been slow in his heart to hearts with you as you grew to become his friend? Perhaps it was something Trojan mentioned, and I could be mistaken, but I had the impression he had two people who assisted him regularly on his cleaning jobs other than Julia, which she did only occasionally.

 

[MIMOMMY]

No, he never mentioned business being slow - he was scheduled weekly to my community among other communities and properties he contracted out to.

He did have employees with him at times, not always

 

[Trojan1966]

Again, not trying to stir the pot - but if it was "just" *advertiser censored* that someone downloaded, I personally don't think that plays a factor into the case with Julia. Again, JMO - and a younger generations opinion. If everyone who had "normal" *advertiser censored* saved to their computer was guilty of a crime....there would be a wait list for prison.

If all LE found was "normal" *advertiser censored*, why would they have been so determined to prosecute? This case has been through District Court and seems to have been somewhat validated to be sent to Circuit Court. If this had been "normal" *advertiser censored*, wouldn't it have been dropped in District Court? District Court is where these things are "weeded out" and District Court can not do a trial for any felonies. Evidently there was enough things to warrant a trial in Circuit Court. I know JT was offered a plea deal which he did not accept but as time goes on, LE has more time to do more investigating. It should be common knowledge, the longer LE "digs" the more things they will find. IMO These "delays" in the trial may have very well worked in LE favor.

 

[Spellbound]

I do not believe in the least that LE would press charges for "normal *advertiser censored*". I also do not believe it is a difference in generations that can accept that some view *advertiser censored* and others do not. Whatever the case is here, If CHILD *advertiser censored* is involved, then I have no respect for the people viewing and probably enjoying it. Do what you want with any other type, just don't let it involve children, or girls young enough to look like children. There is no excuse possible that will change my mind on that. I will be glad when this trial gets going and we know the outcome. For now, my hope for all the family is that it is proven that JT had no child *advertiser censored* (but I find that highly unlikely, or a prosecutor would not have pursued this). I don't want the excuse that there is not enough evidence, or any other nonsense. I know we are supposed to believe a person innocent until proven guilty, but when children may be involved ..... you better be able to prove you aren't a child *advertiser censored* abuser or viewer for me to believe. That doubt will linger in my mind otherwise.

JMO

 

[black_squirrel]

All I have ever heard from LE is the key to Julia's room was missing. As far as I know nothing else is missing from apt. Now it may be that LE doesn't want the public to know if there is anything else missing. Funny thing is I don't know if the key to enter their apt. is missing or was it left on Julia's key chain in her purse, perhaps someone else knows the answer to that.
As for JT being investigated in Nov. 2012 on Child *advertiser censored*??? The first that we heard about the child *advertiser censored* investigation was in Feb. 2015 when Monroe LE went to their home with a search warrant, because the computer that YPSI LE took in Dec. 2014 had Child *advertiser censored* on it.
As mentioned numerous times by Trojan and I, Both YPSILANTI & Monroe LE are telling us that the computer that Julia & Jennifer bought for JT as a Christmas present in 2012 (yes the year that Julia was murdered) is missing. Neither computer taken from the Turnquist's home was JT's computer! If that was such a necessity to have for his business, wonder why it can't be found!?
Also a reminder, LE has Julia's phone, it was recovered from her apt. The day they found her murdered. And they have her computer and purse.

Who in the Monroe police department told you that a computer is missing?