MI MI - Julia Niswender, 23, EMU student, Ypsilanti, 10 Dec 2012 - #4

[Spellbound]

Thank you, Bessie. I do hope we can move along smoothly again. I was sure lost without the thread.

 

[indianwin2001]

Thank you--Remember, this thread is about Julia--thats whats important

 

[Spellbound]

Thank you--Remember, this thread is about Julia--thats whats important

Hello indianwin2002, and welcome to our corner. This is a very dedicated group who really want justice for Julia that it gets tense at times. Hope that does not scare you away. We really care deeply about "our girl."

 

[Trojan1966]

It is great to be back!!! Let's concentrate on helping solve Julia's murder. The JT child *advertiser censored* case will take care of itself and hopefully by the first week of August that will be a done deal. I have been a bit restless the last few nights with Julia being on my mind. Lots of questions and very few answers right now. I guess about all I can do is to be patient and see what develops in the future. Maybe someone will come forward with new information that may solve this case. Someone in that building at Peninsular Place had to hear or see something. Someone knows something and I just hope and pray that they will come forward to the authorities. I miss Julia so much my heart is constantly aching to see her and hear her say "Oh grandpa!".

 

[indianwin2001]

Hello indianwin2002, and welcome to our corner. This is a very dedicated group who really want justice for Julia that it gets tense at times. Hope that does not scare you away. We really care deeply about "our girl."

LOL--No it won't scare me away. I understand emotions get high,but my concerns are always for the victims and their families.

 

[Spellbound]

Trojan, your last sentence is why we are here. How I wish we could give that to you, but because we cannot, we will be by your side to see this through. Thank you for sharing and caring and expressing your love. I can almost "see and hear" Julia's smile as she would say that to you. She still has that magnetism. :therethere:

 

[Spellbound]

LOL--No it won't scare me away. I understand emotions get high,but my concerns are always for the victims and their families.

Good! New eyes are always needed. Glad to have more .

 

[4ist]

(modsnip)

Needless to say, I am just really hoping and praying that we can move on and concentrate on the facts as we know them. I know there is a 'LE' presence in here. That's good enough for me. WHICH probably explains why many folks who are standing behind the ('JT is not guilty of doing anything wrong') are not making public posts, and why none of the Julia's family that lived under the Turnquist roof, are in here, but only feeding folks information to post in here.

So let's try our hardest to let LE do their thing, and see if we can wait and see what happens with JT child *advertiser censored* charge, and then after that let's wait and see what happens with him being a POI in Julia's murder investigation. Other then that, WHO else is in our radar to concentrate on? We have tossed a whole lot of stuff around in here before and after JT's arrest on Child *advertiser censored* charges. Some avenues, we may need to go back down again, to see if we may need to look closer at! What do you think.? Thank you all for caring enough about Julia's case to contribute OPENLY in these treads. You all have had some very good ideas to think about. WE are the only FAMILY members that have openly come forward on this site to seek Justice for Julia! I think that is saying something.

 

[4ist]

Quote Originally Posted by black_squirrel View Post: Wrong again. It was 4ist who shared this.

I was going to look for the snapshot of this when I got home. Thanks!

Yes it was me, that had posted that KT had told us that she had seen the child *advertiser censored* pictures in question and she said she carried them around in her purse. Crazy as that is, it is exactly what she told us, we have proof that she said it. Her doing that was so wrong on so many levels, I know for sure, I sure would never be carrying pictures of child *advertiser censored* in my purse. AND the question is WHY in the heck would she do that??? IMO

 

[bessie]

ADMIN NOTE: Attempting to "sleuth" personal information about other members is a TOS violation. So is "baiting" -- alluding to information one cannot divulge. If you can't talk about it, don't!

 

[Spellbound]

My apologies, Bessie. I did not realize responding to a particular post might be considered sleuthing. I think I understand the admonition.... thank you.

 

[bessie]

My apologies, Bessie. I did not realize responding to a particular post might be considered sleuthing. I think I understand the admonition.... thank you.

Asking others questions about where they reside, work, attend school, attend church, etc., is considered crossing a line toward "sleuthing". But as I said, by the same token, "baiting", or "inviting", by alluding to inside information one cannot reveal is also a TOS violation.

And if you quote and reply to a post which violates TOS, your post is subject to removal -- or "snipping" -- as well.

Further, "exit" posts are not allowed.

WS is a moderated discussion board. The rules are stated pretty clearly, particularly under Etiquette and Information.

Words of advice: Be careful which posts you quote; and don't take the bait.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2279603

 

[4ist]

<modsnip> and thanks for caring about our Julia. <modsnip> Sorry to all of you faithful Sleuthers, and thanks for caring about our Julia.

 

[bessie]

Inviting outside contact or alluding to "private" additional information:

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Additionally, please don't drop hints or post on the board that you know something or are privy to inside information but you won't or can't post it.

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Baiting /Trolling / Inciting Conflict:

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[Spellbound]

Asking others questions about where they reside, work, attend school, attend church, etc., is considered crossing a line toward "sleuthing". But as I said, by the same token, "baiting", or "inviting", by alluding to inside information one cannot reveal is also a TOS violation.

And if you quote and reply to a post which violates TOS, your post is subject to removal -- or "snipping" -- as well.

Further, "exit" posts are not allowed.

WS is a moderated discussion board. The rules are stated pretty clearly, particularly under Etiquette and Information.

Words of advice: Be careful which posts you quote; and don't take the bait.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2279603

BBM
Aha! Your clarification is welcome! I did not know either of the two above bolded statements. Particularly, the part about quote/reply to another post. There are so many TOS that it gets a bit hard to find the part I need sometimes, so thanks again for your help.

 

[black_squirrel]

http://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/index.ssf/2015/07/ann_arbor_man_jailed_for_lurin.html

An Ann Arbor man accused of luring a 15-year-old girl into sex parties involving dog collars was sentenced Thursday to 4 1/2 months in jail and five years of probation.

Christopher Scott Burke, 31, pleaded no contest June 11 to one count of fourth-degree criminal sexual conduct with a victim between the age of 13-16.

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Scott Burke said his son met the 15-year-old's older sister while working at a Wal-Mart in Saline. He said the older sister, who is in her 20s, agreed to come and live with Burke and his wife in a consensual sexual arrangement.

I just came across this news report and I think it might be relevant. Scott Burke worked at the same WalMart where Julia was working. He started there in December 2012 (according to his FB), the month that Julia died. This is also the same place where he met the victim.

https://www.facebook.com/ChristopherDWolfe

 

[dmc43613]

http://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/index.ssf/2015/07/ann_arbor_man_jailed_for_lurin.html


I just came across this news report and I think it might be relevant. Scott Burke worked at the same WalMart where Julia was working. He started there in December 2012 (according to his FB), the month that Julia died. This is also the same place where he met the victim.

https://www.facebook.com/ChristopherDWolfe

Interesting find Black_squirrel! I also find it interesting that he also worked at GameStop in relation to CB being an avid Gamer....hmmmm

 

[Deleted member 132804]

Interesting find Black_squirrel! I also find it interesting that he also worked at GameStop in relation to CB being an avid Gamer....hmmmm

This guy is creepy!, and his wife, but it appears he likes willing participants, inviting them back to his place. If it wasn't for the underage bit, there would be not a crime. Shame on him and the MRS., and the old sister, for coercing a 15 year old into all of this. Clearly MR. Burke (Wolfe) Jr. is taking the fall for all. I guess he'll have some time to think with that sentence.

JMO...As for Julia, he did work at Walmart Saline. That's a possible connection. However, in Julia's case there was no sign of assault or any other contact. Also, the more I find out about all of the details surrounding Julia's sudden death, I'm seeing more of a homicide that was made to look like an accidental drowning in the bathtub. Which leads me to believe someone had something to hide and wanted/or felt they had to silence Julia. I believe finding the "Why" will lead us to the "Who" in this case.

 

[black_squirrel]

This guy is creepy!, and his wife, but it appears he likes willing participants, inviting them back to his place. If it wasn't for the underage bit, there would be not a crime. Shame on him and the MRS., and the old sister, for coercing a 15 year old into all of this. Clearly MR. Burke (Wolfe) Jr. is taking the fall for all. I guess he'll have some time to think with that sentence.

JMO...As for Julia, he did work at Walmart Saline. That's a possible connection. However, in Julia's case there was no sign of assault or any other contact. Also, the more I find out about all of the details surrounding Julia's sudden death, I'm seeing more of a homicide that was made to look like an accidental drowning in the bathtub. Which leads me to believe someone had something to hide and wanted/or felt they had to silence Julia. I believe finding the "Why" will lead us to the "Who" in this case.

IMO, Jullia's death was not staged. The main reasons I think this is because: 1. The perp took Julia's key, so the perp would have known that this would look suspect to police. 2. The room was in disarray. The perp would mae the room look as normal as possible if the scene was staged. But of course, it is possible that the perp wanted the scene to look like an accident.

Julia and Christopher Scott Burke (CSB) don't overlap much at the WalMart. It seems to me that there was no conversation between Julia and the perp over the phone or over the internet, otherwise LE would have known about it. That's why I think that the perp possibly could be found in her work environment. This guy doesn't seem violent, but you never know.

What's with the last name "Wolfe"? Is this a furry name? His wife, also uses that last name on FB. And some of CSB's friends have that same name as well. Are these people related in real life, or just in imaginary, "furry" life?

For people who do not know what I am talking about, google "Furry fandom" ....

 

[Deleted member 132804]

IMO, Jullia's death was not staged. The main reasons I think this is because: 1. The perp took Julia's key, so the perp would have known that this would look suspect to police. 2. The room was in disarray. The perp would mae the room look as normal as possible if the scene was staged. But of course, it is possible that the perp wanted the scene to look like an accident.

Julia and Christopher Scott Burke (CSB) don't overlap much at the WalMart. It seems to me that there was no conversation between Julia and the perp over the phone or over the internet, otherwise LE would have known about it. That's why I think that the perp possibly could be found in her work environment. This guy doesn't seem violent, but you never know.

What's with the last name "Wolfe"? Is this a furry name? His wife, also uses that last name on FB. And some of CSB's friends have that same name as well. Are these people related in real life, or just in imaginary, "furry" life?

For people who do not know what I am talking about, google "Furry fandom" ....

Regarding CSB (Wolfe) I do wonder if YPD interviewed him in relation to working with JN at Walmart Saline. Was it mentioned his wife works at Walmart too? I'm not sure I know who she is, but I'll check the "Wolfe" names. Agreed, "Wolfe" could be a Furry name or maybe it's the wife's last name they are both taking. I'm feeling too old to really understand the whole "Furry" idea, but I've known of a few younger people who like to wear fuzzy cat ears and attachable tails while out with friends. I too wonder if the "Furrys" where at the Halloween Party CB went missing from. It would have been an perfect time to show off Furry customs.

In regards to the missing key, I've contemplated that the POI took the key to lock both doors behind them, helping to stage the appearance of an accidental drowning. However, I'm not 100% sure it was fully planned for that day. Maybe the POI went to talk or to try and reason with JN and lost control. Somewhere in the back of a their mind must have been an idea of the accidental drowning.

The key locking both doors behind them could have bought someone more time away from the scene of the crime too, since incoming roommates weren't able to check in on JN and finally had to call police to open doors.