MI MI - Julia Niswender, 23, EMU student, Ypsilanti, 10 Dec 2012 - #4

[Spellbound]

Thank you for sharing your thoughts and suggestions, fleurdelea! And welcome to our discussion group here.

 

[Trojan1966]

Thanks fleurdelea. I believe LE has been investigating all those possibilities. Julia was so social and was on so many sites, they said they really had their work cut out for them. This could be the work of someone who has done this before as it seems there was quite a bit of pre-planning and thought put into this. I have thought of so many scenarios that most of my waking hours are consumed thinking of exactly how and why she was murdered. I hope and pray each and every day : Justice for Julia !

 

[fleurdelea]

One more thing that comes to mind is that apartment complex staff would have access to Julia's apartment. Were there any maintenance calls made, either to the complex, or to an after hours answering service with a request for service? Or, did a staff member access her apartment without permission? Was the apartment complex a client of JT's cleaning business? I can see someone with a small business seeking out clients through word of mouth. Could Julia's missing key have been taken to cover up the perpetrator's tracks?

 

[fleurdelea]

Justice for Julia.

 

[Trojan1966]

Erg, holding the highest degree in law is not a requirement for all judges nor is it a requirement that they practice law for many years. For example, in PA, the requirements are that a person is a legal citizen and a member of the bar (neither of those requiring the highest degree in law, i.e., an S.J.D nor many years of practice). In many states, certain judges are elected, so what is required is determined by the electorate. I'm not sure about unlimited access to specialists, either. US Supreme Court judges are appointed and there is no requirement that they have law degrees at all. That is not to say that many judges aren't very well qualified and wise.

I found this site concerning Michigan Judges for Circuit Court..............
http://ballotpedia.org/Judicial_selection_in_Michigan

Court of Appeals and Circuit Court

See also: Nonpartisan election of judges

The 28 judges of the Michigan Court of Appeals and the 221 judges of the Michigan Circuit Courts are selected in an identical manner, each serving six-year terms. Like the supreme court justices, they are chosen in nonpartisan elections and must face re-election if they wish to continue serving. Unlike the supreme court, however, candidates are placed on the ballot via nonpartisan primaries or by nominating petitions.[1]
Selection of the chief judge
The chief judges of the appeals and circuit courts are selected by supreme court appointment to terms lasting two years.[1]
Qualifications
To be elected to either of these courts, a judge must:
 be a qualified elector of his or her district;
 be licensed to practice law in the state;
 have at least five years of law practice experience;
 be under the age of 70.[1]
Sitting judges who reach age 70 are allowed to serve out the remainder of their term.[2]

 

[FindHG]

This is my first time posting here. Trojan1966, I am very sorry for your loss. I hope you find justice for Julia very soon. You're obviously a loving, caring man, and she was lucky to have you for her grandfather.
I just wanted to leave some of my thoughts here in case they are helpful. I believe there's a possibility that this is a sex crime. If so, whether the perpetrator(s) killed Julia accidentally or intentionally, I don't know. What I do know is that there are people out there with sex fantasies who role play dangerous and potentially dangerous sexual fantasies such as erotic asphyxiation, choking, and bondage, to name a few. I think normally one finds an interested participant, but it's also possible that one would either initiate the fantasies in hopes that one would participate, or by force. It sounds to me like Julia was single and dating. Whether she was dating the one guy she was described as "seeing" is unclear to me. Is it known if Julia had any online dating profiles? I know from experience that there are plenty of creeps on these dating sites, and it's not always evident until after the initial charm. I would search every possible dating site and any type of site meant for meeting people to see if Julia had a profile. Maybe the profile would still be active or accessible if it was never deleted. If so, maybe there's a way to see if she was talking to anyone new leading up to her death. There could be someone out there that was new in her life who was able to slip into the shadows because he was never introduced or mentioned. Maybe this has been done already, but you could do an online search for any key words or user names that could link you to Julia. I for one searched myself with my first name only and the name of my town, and was easily able to find one of my own profiles.
I also think the police should review their files of people they already cleared. Sometimes people are wrongfully written off as unreliable witnesses or sources. Take the Lyon sisters case, which is being solved 40 years too late because the perpetrator was written off as an unreliable source while everyone was focused on another suspect.
With that said, I think JT is looking pretty guilty. I just hope no stone is left unturned.

Thank you, fleurdelea, for your well considered post.

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It certainly seems that bondage took place as her clothes were cut off, the ligature marks reported in MSM, the manner in which she was found, the bum semen, and that the appearance of such may have been orchestrated or not at all hidden. Whenever I think of how she was found it brings me back to these questions:

Was the lack of contact with the household orchestrated?

Why did relations/communications between they and Julia go from intense to cold, after the sisters' lunch?

I imagine that is what LE would like to know too.

One more thing that comes to mind is that apartment complex staff would have access to Julia's apartment. Were there any maintenance calls made, either to the complex, or to an after hours answering service with a request for service? Or, did a staff member access her apartment without permission? Was the apartment complex a client of JT's cleaning business? I can see someone with a small business seeking out clients through word of mouth. Could Julia's missing key have been taken to cover up the perpetrator's tracks?

Good questions. And was her car ever towed? Did she possibly get help with a flat tire or a break down, or ticketed, at some point come in contact with a local towing company? I recall seeing tow trucks in images from around the Pen. Apartments. Would there be a record of that?

Thank you, Trojan, for everything. Every time you post, I'm honored to read and consider your shared wisdom and eloquence.

Justice for Julia

 

[Deleted member 132804]

Erg, holding the highest degree in law is not a requirement for all judges nor is it a requirement that they practice law for many years. For example, in PA, the requirements are that a person is a legal citizen and a member of the bar (neither of those requiring the highest degree in law, i.e., an S.J.D nor many years of practice). In many states, certain judges are elected, so what is required is determined by the electorate. I'm not sure about unlimited access to specialists, either. US Supreme Court judges are appointed and there is no requirement that they have law degrees at all. That is not to say that many judges aren't very well qualified and wise.

In Michigan you have to hold a Juris Doctor degree, pass the Michigan Bar Exam and be a practicing attorney, then it's recommended to obtain a clerkship under a judge. The clerks are required to do extensive research for the the judge they are under. Michigan judges are appointed by government officials or elected.

I, personally know a judge, who consults specialists for cases and has clerks working under him on civil and criminal cases. Oddly enough, it may seem to some that he makes snap decisions on some cases, but he has so much experience with the type of cases that come before him, it's hard to get anything past him. That being said, he tells me that every case is different.

http://www.ehow.com/list_6779026_requirements-become-judge-michigan.html

 

[bessie]

Thanks to Trojan for the SW docs.

Here are links to pdf's

SW 1- signed 20 November 2014

SW 2 - signed 06 January 2014

 

[georgiasblu]

Well, reading that was more disturbing than I expected. I hadn't realized the lack of cooperation began so early. Lots of questions.

 

[Spellbound]

Thanks for the warrant documents. I can understand why he was considered a POI from them. Keep in mind, these are only PART of what LE has to go on, just enough to get the warrants served.

 

[Trojan1966]

FindHG : Julia's car was towed once that I know of. She had parked in a "No Parking" area at her apartment complex (I think near a dumpster) and her car was towed. It was towed by the towing company just down the street from her apartment. She had parked there because there was no place else to park - no "empty spots". The apartment complex settled this with the towing company the next day. There were just too many "visitors" that night to the apartment complex.

 

[jbelle]

I cannot imagine the pain this family is going through on all sides. This is all just my opinion after finally getting all caught up on this thread. Sorry if it gets long, I am making all my comments now.


First, I knew the child *advertiser censored* case wasn't going to fly when I found out how many of the thousands pics that were on the computer were "questionable". I don't want to give too many personal details but my ex hubs job entails pretty much finding anything EVER that has been on a computer. I asked about this during the Jodi Arias trial and he explained how they would know if images were deliberately sought out or if they were put there inadvertently. Part of it had to do with what searches were made from the computer.

What happens is, you go to a *advertiser censored* site, and it could be totally vanilla regular *advertiser censored*, you go to a category you want, you click the video that interests you, but what pops up is not the video you sought, so you close it and have to click the video link you want again. Sometimes you have to do it a few times to get the video you want to play.
Also, *advertiser censored* in general doesn't tend to be an occupation for older women, a good chunk (I'd say the majority) of the girls are in their low twenties or under, if the girl is unknown I am not sure how you tell if she was 17 or 18 or 19?
If you look up *advertiser censored* statistics you will see the majority of people under 40 watch it. I remember reading an article that scientists in Montreal were trying to do a study where they were trying to find men in their 20's that HAVEN'T watched *advertiser censored* and couldn't find any! And ALL of those people who view online *advertiser censored* will have images like what JT had on his computer. All of this is also why you get so many viruses from viewing this stuff, you don't know WHAT you are getting.

One more point of interest, during one of the trials for a woman having sex with an underage guy showed how a sex clip with them went online to a mainstream site. There were people that clicked it and watched it and watched it again, they were technically watching child *advertiser censored*, but I doubt they'd get convicted for that, and I am glad, I have a son and nephews and if they could be locked up for any of this I'd be truly frightened. I am not naive enough to think that no one in my life watches this stuff.

I am also going to fess up right now. I save sexy images and clips in an obscurely labeled file on my desktop. I like to send my fiance sexy stuff during the day sometimes. It's fun and keeps things spicy for us. If that doesn't float your boat, that's cool, but it is legal and not an indicator of abuse. I also let people use my computer all the time. My stuff is hidden away and it's a lot easier for the nephews to google "boobies" to get what they are after than to search through all my crap. It's not some secret abusive plot to get them to open *advertiser censored*. I can assure.


I will sum up some issues I have:

1. We were told he had child *advertiser censored*, later we found out that he just had *advertiser censored* that pretty much everyone that watches online *advertiser censored* has.

2. We were told JT was holed up at the martial arts studio like a madman. We later found out that they did not have a phone in the home anymore and that's where he went to use one.

3. We were told he was a danger to others. A nurse later came out saying that was false.

4. ALL of the information on this thread and in that affidavit come from the SAME 2-3 people. I am not knocking those 3 people and they SHOULD come forward with any info they have,
but that still doesn't change the fact that it all comes from one place. Everyone else in this man's life is on his side as far as I have seen.

5. We were told that JT removed the door off the bathroom, it was somewhat implied that this was for perverse reasons. We later found out that the door was off, the landlord was to fix it and that this was only temporary lodging that they had for a month or two. I have not heard of JT removing doors off the bathrooms of any of their houses before that residence or after. I can tell you, if you have to choose between food or a new door, you will pick food and make due. I have first hand with this, we had to rent a place when I was younger and my parents went through a rough time. The washroom only had a thin plastic accordian door. You could see through cracks on the side, you could see over and under it. We kept a radio in there for "privacy" and just didn't linger near there when someone was using it. Was it horrible??? YES!!! But my parents were not abusive or cruel.

6. My family is all into Taekwondo, and I just want to say, many are elevating JT's martial arts background to legendary ninja status. The guy voluntarily gave 2 polygraphs. Do they matter in court? No, but it's still the first thing everyone asks on any thread EVER. Even if we ignore that, he also gave a DNA sample. Seems he didn't stop cooperating until it was super obvious they were pointing the finger at him pretty early on.

7. Not only did the friend L say they misquoted here, but she denied saying any of it at all. Not sure why, I would think maybe she felt pressured, and she very well may have, but after 1,2, and 3 of my list, I'm not prepared to just take LE's word for it on this case.


It seems it's the same people giving ALL the info about JT, and none of it is facts. These are the people demanding a statement, they brought it up to LE. What does anyone want the guy to do besides tell where he was, have witnesses to his alibi, give DNA, and take a poly??? I must be in bizarre world because in all the other cases I follow that is not considered "uncooperative". I dislike how people are using the fact that he got a lawyer against him. That is his RIGHT. I know everyone on here says they would not do that so I must be in the minority, if my stepkid was killed and I CLEARLY saw I was being fingered for it, I would be getting defense and I would be doing exactly what they told me because I'd be confused and terrified and unsure what to do. That's what I would be paying them for!

I saw on the affidavit that there was question asking how KT knew of Jt's sexual abuse at all if JT doesn't have recollection of it. I of course do not know for sure, but I'd assume since it was his stepmother that told the first wife, it's reasonable to think that she certainly could have told the second wife as well.



I want to be clear. I don't know these people, I am not saying JT DIDN'T do it, he very well may have! I am just saying I don't get why everyone is so sure he did.
Again, this is all my opinion and is not meant to upset. I think the family was right in telling LE their concerns. It's just that in my own life, me and my own sister can be
talking about an event from our past and it's almost like we are talking about two completely different instances. We all perceive things differently and when we only get the perception of a few, we don't necessarily get the entire picture. Doesn't make anyone wrong, it's just how it is.

 

[Trojan1966]

Search Warrant Documents : All addresses were removed (whited out) in the documents. I guess they can't release that without permission from those concerned. Yes, there are some things not quite right but for the most part, the information is factual. This was just used to obtain a Search Warrant and by no means will anything in this document be used in court without formal depositions or actual testimony by those concerned. Evidently, there were two different judges in two different counties that said this was reason enough for a legal search warrant.

 

[Trojan1966]

One more thing that comes to mind is that apartment complex staff would have access to Julia's apartment. Were there any maintenance calls made, either to the complex, or to an after hours answering service with a request for service? Or, did a staff member access her apartment without permission? Was the apartment complex a client of JT's cleaning business? I can see someone with a small business seeking out clients through word of mouth. Could Julia's missing key have been taken to cover up the perpetrator's tracks?

I don't believe the apartment complex was a customer of JT's cleaning business. I'm sure LE has looked into your other questions but I am not aware of the answers.

 

[DazednConfuzed09]

Search Warrant Documents : All addresses were removed (whited out) in the documents. I guess they can't release that without permission from those concerned. Yes, there are some things not quite right but for the most part, the information is factual. This was just used to obtain a Search Warrant and by no means will anything in this document be used in court without formal depositions or actual testimony by those concerned. Evidently, there were two different judges in two different counties that said this was reason enough for a legal search warrant.

When an affidavit is signed, the person signing is swearing under oath that ALL information contained within the document is the accurate and the truth. So to say the document contains "some" errors and not others is an irresponsible assumption that the rest is all truth!

 

[Spellbound]

jbelle, thank you for an intelligent, well written and respectable post about "the other side" of possibilities. My only question would be why you believe all the info here or in the warrant only came from 3 people? We have both friends and relatives of the family here .... do you not consider them all credible ? And there were more than 3 witnesses who gave their opinions in the warrant. ( Maybe I misunderstood your statement)

D&C, do we really know if they were errors at the time the report was written? Could be that is exactly what LE knew or were told, and/or believed the report to be accurate when it was written.

 

[DazednConfuzed09]

jbelle, thank you for an intelligent, well written and respectable post about "the other side" of possibilities. My only question would be why you believe all the info here or in the warrant only came from 3 people? We have both friends and relatives of the family here .... do you not consider them all credible ? And there were more than 3 witnesses who gave their opinions in the warrant. ( Maybe I misunderstood your statement)

D&C, do we really know if they were errors at the time the report was written? Could be that is exactly what LE knew or were told, and/or believed the report to be accurate when it was written.

The last page of the first document listed date 11/20/14 is an addendum add by Trojan in his rebuttal to what was within the document that he believes to be erroneous. There are 8 points he makes stating to be incorrect. Not 1, not 2...but 8!

 

[Skigirl]

The last page of the first document listed date 11/20/14 is an addendum add by Trojan in his rebuttal to what was within the document that he believes to be erroneous. There are 8 points he makes stating to be incorrect. Not 1, not 2...but 8!

Although I think it's great that Trojan corrected the record and that Trojan's points were included in the file, I thought most of the points were not central nor do they point to sloppy investigation IMHO.

 

[DazednConfuzed09]

Although I think it's great that Trojan corrected the record and that Trojan's points were included in the file, I thought most of the points were not central nor do they point to sloppy investigation IMHO.

I don't believe the addendum was presented to the judge for clarification before obtaining the judges signature. Am I wrong in this Trojan? Did the judge see this "addendum" prior to signing the document?

 

[georgiasblu]

Although I think it's great that Trojan corrected the record and that Trojan's points were included in the file, I thought most of the points were not central nor do they point to sloppy investigation IMHO.

Agreed. This attitude of a great conspiracy is troublesome to me and I don't see evidence of that within the documents.