MI MI - Julia Niswender, 23, EMU student, Ypsilanti, 10 Dec 2012 - #5

[sherlock221b]

Yes, suggesting that he forget them yes, but what I'm really suggesting is that he may have been wearing two pairs of gloves. After all, how did he get out of the appartment without leaving finger prints?

If so, is it possible that the gloves he wore over the others were used gloves that he picked out of a garbage can in order to draw suspicion away from himself?

I will give You an easy explanation, he entered and remembered what he touched and just wiped off prints with a towel. He is smart enough, besides he is not found in 5 years. He had time to do whatever he wanted in that apartment in the middle of the night to wipe out evidence that he might have left. He just made a mistake leaving the gloves, when he realized he didn't want to risk getting caught turning back because he probably saw that he forgot the gloves when he got home and opened the pillow case of evidence that he collected. Knowing that only the dna is found on those gloves no fingerprints, besides he knew he won't be found since his DNA wasn't in the database. That's just my theory. And I think he has double DNA since they found two separate DNA in the gloves, which points out that he had a bone marrow transplant or that he was sick and had chimera DNA, You can google about it.


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[rosesfromangels]

I will give You an easy explanation, he entered and remembered what he touched and just wiped off prints with a towel. He is smart enough, besides he is not found in 5 years. He had time to do whatever he wanted in that apartment in the middle of the night to wipe out evidence that he might have left. He just made a mistake leaving the gloves, when he realized he didn't want to risk getting caught turning back because he probably saw that he forgot the gloves when he got home and opened the pillow case of evidence that he collected. Knowing that only the dna is found on those gloves no fingerprints, besides he knew he won't be found since his DNA wasn't in the database. That's just my theory. And I think he has double DNA since they found two separate DNA in the gloves, which points out that he had a bone marrow transplant or that he was sick and had chimera DNA, You can google about it.


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Hi Marko/Sherlock: I just read your original post; somehow I missed that. Thank you so much for helping. Many of us on this thread have been researching away for a few years, so we sincerely appreciate your ideas and reasoned theories.

One additional data point. At some point, one of the roomies, who was supposedly staying with a boyfriend during the period Julia was murdered, stopped by to pick up more clothes, or whatever. Apparently Julia's T.V. was on quite loud. I speculate the Perp was there at that time. How bold is that?
It seems to me he must have known the roomies were scheduled to be away...

Love the Sherlock quote; a good reminder for most aspects of life, not just researching murders.

Thank you for being here and contributing. Justice for Julia!

 

[Ibiz]

EBM

Not just folks, FBI behavioral analysts.

Why would a perp who took his time committing the crime and who was careful enough to wear gloves be careless enough to drop them? If he had actually been wearing them, why would he take them off before leaving? I don't believe the perp ever wore or even touched the gloves; I think he probably either swiped them from a doctor's office (or wherever) or bought them just to plant them.

I don't believe the DNA profile on either glove belong to the perp.

I'd say there's a 90% chance James Turnquist is the perp, but 90% certainty isn't enough for an arrest.

Wouldn't they have tested James Turnquist DNA?

 

[sherlock221b]

Hi Marko/Sherlock: I just read your original post; somehow I missed that. Thank you so much for helping. Many of us on this thread have been researching away for a few years, so we sincerely appreciate your ideas and reasoned theories.

One additional data point. At some point, one of the roomies, who was supposedly staying with a boyfriend during the period Julia was murdered, stopped by to pick up more clothes, or whatever. Apparently Julia's T.V. was on quite loud. I speculate the Perp was there at that time. How bold is that?
It seems to me he must have known the roomies were scheduled to be away...

Love the Sherlock quote; a good reminder for most aspects of life, not just researching murders.

Thank you for being here and contributing. Justice for Julia!

wow! I didn't know that information! Maybe I missed it in the posts! Thank You for kind words, I really appreciate it. You don't speculate, You are right no need to speculate, it all makes sense now. He was so bold, and lucky! He is smart but not that smart after all.
For Ibiz
They checked his DNA it wasn't a match.


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[Ibiz]

wow! I didn't know that information! Maybe I missed it in the posts! Thank You for kind words, I really appreciate it. You don't speculate, You are right no need to speculate, it all makes sense now. He was so bold, and lucky! He is smart but not that smart after all.
For Ibiz
They checked his DNA it wasn't a match.


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Where did everyone go? You lost me, what makes sense?

 

[rosesfromangels]

Where did everyone go? You lost me, what makes sense?

That the Perp had the TV blaring to cover up the sounds of what he was doing. Definitely bold. He must have liked the thrill of the kill, (sorry to say that), and the thrill of potentially getting caught. As I type that, I think of someone on meth, or some other amped up drug.

 

[FindHG]

That the Perp had the TV blaring to cover up the sounds of what he was doing. Definitely bold. He must have liked the thrill of the kill, (sorry to say that), and the thrill of potentially getting caught. As I type that, I think of someone on meth, or some other amped up drug.

Or it could have been left blaring to draw her roommates' attention so they would discover Julia sooner?

Then the key off her lanyard and the potential capacity to go in and out?

Why would a perp need to take a key with them anyway?

Unless it would help provide cover for somebody who already had a key possibly?

 

[Ibiz]

Or it could have been left blaring to draw her roommates' attention so they would discover Julia sooner?

Then the key off her lanyard and the potential capacity to go in and out?

Why would a perp need to take a key with them anyway?

Unless it would help provide cover for somebody who already had a key possibly?

I think the key was just for her bedroom door. That's what I thought I read earlier on mlive. He locked her bedroom door when he left.

 

[Ibiz]

That the Perp had the TV blaring to cover up the sounds of what he was doing. Definitely bold. He must have liked the thrill of the kill, (sorry to say that), and the thrill of potentially getting caught. As I type that, I think of someone on meth, or some other amped up drug.

A lot of perps do the old crank up the tv or sterio bit, so neigbors don't hear the victim scream, and call the police. This just shows that he's done it before.

 

[FindHG]

There's was no one else there during Julia's presumed time of death late Sunday into early Monday, IIRC. Her roommates were away for most of the weekend.

 

[Ibiz]

There's was no one else there during Julia's presumed time of death late Sunday into early Monday, IIRC. Her roommates were away for most of the weekend.

I was thinking about people in other apartments possible hearing her scream. Arn't the walls thin?

The roommate that came in the morning mentioned the alarm, but not TV. So wouldn't that mean the perp turned it off when he left?

I'm starting to think that the perp(s) DNA on the glove might be that of the killer(s). Two DNAs, maybe two perps.

 

[FindHG]

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Thank you for the link. I had read the article but now that I've read the affidavit, some of the comments are much better context. The article that shows up below it also has some interesting information (http://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor...dents_family_disc.html#incart_related_stories)

In case it's useful, this is the timeline from those two articles and the affidavit.

12/9 - Julia sees her sisters at Walmart, during her break, for lunch
---- 10:00 PM According to Kim, she and JT go to bed
---- 10:30 PM Julia sends text message to roommate (last known communication from Julia?)

12/10 - 7:15 AM, Kim says Jim leaves for work and "probably picked up an employee...on the way to his worksite"
---- Julia scheduled to work and attend a holiday party that night, she does not show up for either. JT said she was supposed to work for his cleaning business, but her sister says she was scheduled to work at her "retail job" (presumably Walmart)
---- Kim calls Julia with her negative lymphoma results and is unable to reach her
---- Kim and Jennifer play darts at Clamdiggers
---- Jennifer hasn't heard from Julia since 12/9 and sent a text to tell her she was watching Mean Girls

12/10-12/11 Jennifer repeatedly tries to call Julia's cell; calls go straight to VM

12/11 7:30 (?) AM - One of Julia's roommates returns in the morning after a weekend away and does not see Julia but hears her alarm; she leaves for class and work shortly after
---- Julia's roommate returns in the evening after work and school and becomes worried because there is no sign of Julia, she calls the apartment's security office to report that Julia was missing, the apartment security office calls police
---- Jennifer receives a phone call from Julia's friend (her roommate?) saying that Julia hadn't shown up for work on 12/10 nor attended the holiday party
---- Jennifer and family start off for Ypsi, Kim and Jennifer ride together, JT and younger sister drive in a separate vehicle. EMS calls Jennifer/Kim while they are en route to ask if Julia has any known medical problems
---- Julia is found dead at 9:30 PM
---- Julia's family arrives and Jennifer notes that the ambulance is there but does not have lights on
---- Jennifer and Kim run into the apartment but are not allowed into Julia's bedroom, they are told she has died while in the apartment and are subsequently escorted to the lobby

One thing I find curious is that Julia's alarm was sounding in the morning when her roommate returned and left the apartment, but there is no mention of her alarm still being on when the roommate returned that night. Was the killer still in the apartment in the morning? Did the killer enter in the morning after the roommate came back from her weekend away?

I find the discrepancy between JT's story (per the affidavit) that Julia was supposed to work for him that day and Jennifer's assertion a year later (per the AA news article) that Julia was supposed to work at Walmart, not for JT, to be very interesting. Did JT tell LE on the night of the murder that Julia was supposed to work for him because he need a story that would explain why his vehicle would be in the vicinity on the morning of 12/10? Or is there some other explanation? Who was the (other?) worker who JT was supposed to pick up at 7:15?

bumping Skigirl's timeline

 

[Skigirl]

I will give You an easy explanation, he entered and remembered what he touched and just wiped off prints with a towel. He is smart enough, besides he is not found in 5 years. He had time to do whatever he wanted in that apartment in the middle of the night to wipe out evidence that he might have left. He just made a mistake leaving the gloves, when he realized he didn't want to risk getting caught turning back because he probably saw that he forgot the gloves when he got home and opened the pillow case of evidence that he collected. Knowing that only the dna is found on those gloves no fingerprints, besides he knew he won't be found since his DNA wasn't in the database. That's just my theory. And I think he has double DNA since they found two separate DNA in the gloves, which points out that he had a bone marrow transplant or that he was sick and had chimera DNA, You can google about it.


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There's a simpler explanation for two peoples' dna on the gloves, and that's that someone else handled them or used them or even that they were contaminated by law enforcement or the lab. I think any of those is more probable than that chimera which is extremely rare.

 

[sherlock221b]

There's a simpler explanation for two peoples' dna on the gloves, and that's that someone else handled them or used them or even that they were contaminated by law enforcement or the lab. I think any of those is more probable than that chimera which is extremely rare.

It could be simple, but if it was simple police would figure it out by now. There is also a possibility that it was double DNA from bone marrow transplant. Chimera DNA also explains the motive. Imagine if he is really a chimera, he would be sick at some age and would be treated since it is treatable medically, he would find out he could have been a twin and had his best friend but unfortunately he didn't. So he grows jealousy to other twins he saw every day. There is a pattern then, a serial killer wiping of twins but not both of them , only one of course so the other twin feels just like he does. With chimerism hallucinations come along, but after treatment it should go away, so there, a killer was born. This would be most likely if it happened to other twins but we don't have that kind of information and don't know if it happened before this, my theory makes sense if it happened before but there is also a chance that this was his first "kill"... Theory could be proven if they check the medical records of people with this conditions (vasectomy, bone marrow transplant or chimera dna) but as Trojan said, getting a warrant is tricky. Serial killers , since they said he is one, are like bees. They don't go too far or too close from their place to get material for honey, just like serial killers, they do not "kill" too far or too close to their home..


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[MittenScarpetta]

It could be simple, but if it was simple police would figure it out by now. There is also a possibility that it was double DNA from bone marrow transplant. Chimera DNA also explains the motive. Imagine if he is really a chimera, he would be sick at some age and would be treated since it is treatable medically, he would find out he could have been a twin and had his best friend but unfortunately he didn't. So he grows jealousy to other twins he saw every day. There is a pattern then, a serial killer wiping of twins but not both of them , only one of course so the other twin feels just like he does. With chimerism hallucinations come along, but after treatment it should go away, so there, a killer was born. This would be most likely if it happened to other twins but we don't have that kind of information and don't know if it happened before this, my theory makes sense if it happened before but there is also a chance that this was his first "kill"... Theory could be proven if they check the medical records of people with this conditions (vasectomy, bone marrow transplant or chimera dna) but as Trojan said, getting a warrant is tricky. Serial killers , since they said he is one, are like bees. They don't go too far or too close from their place to get material for honey, just like serial killers, they do not "kill" too far or too close to their home..


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Interesting theory. However, I’m confused about the serial killer reference just because as far as we know Julia’s case is the only case like this. Are you theorizing that this person will do this again to another person who is a twin? Your perspective is intriguing, I just would tend to lean away from a serial killer and more towards isolated.

Let’s look at your possibility of this person being a chimera. The murderer would also then have to know Julia and her sister personally to know they were twins. I also question why a chimera would rape their victim if their reasoning for killing is because of jealousy over twin siblings. IF this person was a chimera and their motive was jealousy driven, then who were they actually trying to hurt-would they kill Julia so she could never again experience her twin bond here on earth OR would their objective have been to make her sister experience the same pain they feel being without their twin? With all of those questions, I have to respectively disagree with your suggestion that there’s a possibility this person could be a chimera who murdered a twin out of jealousy. The theory just doesn’t fit. JMHO

 

[sherlock221b]

Interesting theory. However, I’m confused about the serial killer reference just because as far as we know Julia’s case is the only case like this. Are you theorizing that this person will do this again to another person who is a twin? Your perspective is intriguing, I just would tend to lean away from a serial killer and more towards isolated.

Let’s look at your possibility of this person being a chimera. The murderer would also then have to know Julia and her sister personally to know they were twins. I also question why a chimera would rape their victim if their reasoning for killing is because of jealousy over twin siblings. IF this person was a chimera and their motive was jealousy driven, then who were they actually trying to hurt-would they kill Julia so she could never again experience her twin bond here on earth OR would their objective have been to make her sister experience the same pain they feel being without their twin? With all of those questions, I have to respectively disagree with your suggestion that there’s a possibility this person could be a chimera who murdered a twin out of jealousy. The theory just doesn’t fit. JMHO

Doesn't matter if it was Julia or Jennifer, the point was the "surviving" twin feels the same pain as he did. I just said he was jealous in the beginning and pain inside him just bursted out doing this... Sorry if You didn't understand me at first.


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[MittenScarpetta]

Doesn't matter if it was Julia or Jennifer, the point was the "surviving" twin feels the same pain as he did. I just said he was jealous in the beginning and pain inside him just bursted out doing this... Sorry if You didn't understand me at first.


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I think I understood you correctly. I just can’t rationalize this being the actual motive behind her murder. Stranger things have happened in this world I suppose. Every avenue needs to be explored at this point, considering over 5 years has came and went without Julia having justice. I do tend to believe that rape doesn’t fit in with this motive.


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[sherlock221b]

I think I understood you correctly. I just can’t rationalize this being the actual motive behind her murder. Stranger things have happened in this world I suppose. Every avenue needs to be explored at this point, considering over 5 years has came and went without Julia having justice. I do tend to believe that rape doesn’t fit in with this motive.


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Rape doesn't fit... But was an act of humiliation.. Don't know, I am not Ypsilanti police. I just gave thoughts that nobody considered before. Still my original theory was bone marrow transplant.


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[Spellbound]

If Julia had rebuffed previous advances and had been known by the perp to have been dating others, that could account for the jealousy. But why would she let him in (if she was the one to open the door)? Because he had a close connection to her family, perhaps. Someone she would have to continue to be around. Perhaps a relative, friend to a relative, or a friend she liked but did not want a romantic relationship with. Sh may not have known the depths of his &#8220;desire&#8221;. Just some thoughts, I have no real clue.

I wonder if she ever felt she was being stalked.....

 

[MittenScarpetta]

If Julia had rebuffed previous advances and had been known by the perp to have been dating others, that could account for the jealousy. But why would she let him in (if she was the one to open the door)? Because he had a close connection to her family, perhaps. Someone she would have to continue to be around. Perhaps a relative, friend to a relative, or a friend she liked but did not want a romantic relationship with. Sh may not have known the depths of his “desire”. Just some thoughts, I have no real clue.

I wonder if she ever felt she was being stalked.....

I’ve always been curious if her and roommates kept the main living area door locked. I’m sure they did. If so, she would have had to let him in that door as well. But how did this person know her roommates wouldn’t be there to see them? I have always felt and still do feel like this is someone close to her that did this. No forced entry, no one seen coming or leaving..someone who knew Julia was alone and they would be able to sneak out unseen.