Found Deceased MI - Kevin Bacon, 25, met someone online, Swartz Creek, 24 Dec 2019 *Arrest*

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Momma2cam said:
Suspected Grindr killer to plead insanity

"Lawyers of an alleged murderer contend their client is legally insane and therefore cannot be held criminally liable for the recent killing of a Swartz Creek man and the subsequent mutilation of his corpse."
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Not surprising based on what we saw in the first video arraignment.

The words of his ex-wife are ringing in my head. I have to go back and find the news article, but parts of it were taken from the divorce, custody and kidnapping cases. His ex-wife said (paraphrasing) she knew he wasn't taking his medication because she counted his pills. IMO, this implies ML is capable of being sane if he stays on his meds. Without meds, he begins to exhibit signs of insanity. It's going to be a long process, which means Kevin's family will face a long and winding road to justice :(

I feel for these families who spend years attending court hearings, they are true victims of crime.
 
Knox said:
. Without meds, he begins to exhibit signs of insanity. It's going to be a long process, which means Kevin's family will face a long and winding road to justice :(

I feel for these families who spend years attending court hearings, they are true victims of crime.
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RSBM, BBM- I totally agree. This was my suspicion from the beginning. Thinking of Kevin's family today and that they can find some peace in knowing ML is at least behind bars.
 
Momma2cam said:
RSBM, BBM- I totally agree. This was my suspicion from the beginning. Thinking of Kevin's family today and that they can find some peace in knowing ML is at least behind bars.
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BBM

I hear you, but for me, it's just not enough. If found insane what happens next?

In Canada we have an NCR designation - NOT CRIMINALLY RESPONSIBLE. Anyone found NCR goes to a Mental Health Institution but they can, and do, see the light of day again.

They are deemed ill. They get put on the right track with meds, counselling, etc. etc., and if they can prove themselves mentally healthy they can be released back into society. Now granted, there are "rules" that they must adhere to but, they can be released to live a real life again.

How is a verdict or designation of Insanity dealt with in the US?
 
Tealgrove said:
BBM

I hear you, but for me, it's just not enough. If found insane what happens next?

In Canada we have an NCR designation - NOT CRIMINALLY RESPONSIBLE. Anyone found NCR goes to a Mental Health Institution but they can, and do, see the light of day again.

They are deemed ill. They get put on the right track with meds, counselling, etc. etc., and if they can prove themselves mentally healthy they can be released back into society. Now granted, there are "rules" that they must adhere to but, they can be released to live a real life again.

How is a verdict or designation of Insanity dealt with in the US?
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I’m not positive but I think they medicate to get them well enough to stand trial. Someone please weigh in! This man never deserves to be out of prison. All IMO
 
In a March 2013 petition for the exclusive use of their home on Tyrrell Road, Emily Latunski noted that Mark Latunski’s schizophrenia could be maintained with medicine. Emily Latunski alleged she knew he wasn’t taking his medication because she was counting his pills.

“(Mark Latunski) is very bright and has a good ability to hide his illness and the fact that he is not taking his medications; however such mental illness eventually overrides even his intelligence,” a lawyer for Mark Latunski’s ex-wife, Emily Latunski, stated in the petition.

In September 2013, Mark Latunski was arraigned on two counts of parental kidnapping related to him keeping two of his children from their mother — Emily Latunski — for more than 24 hours, according to 66th District Court Records. Mark Latunski took the kids to a hotel and refused to return them to their mother, the records stated.

Mark Latunski was found incompetent to stand trial in the court case in February 2014. A judge ordered Mark Latunski to undergo outpatient treatment in May 2014, court records show.

Mark Latunski’s psychiatric treatment was reported in an Aug. 14, 2014 letter to the courts.

“(Mark Latunski) has proven not to be a danger to himself or others, despite brief periods of hospitalization and hasn’t attempted to harm himself or others at any point,” said DanielDeVries, the psychiatrist who treated Mark Latunski.

In October 2014, Mark Latunski’s lawyer motioned to amend his bond so that he could reside in Lansing with a friend who would help him focus on his mental health.

Latunski continued to travel for work through the court case, records show. Between 2013 and 2015, Mark Latunski traveled to chemical engineering conferences for his job at American Chemical Technologies, according to 66th District Court records.

The kidnapping case was reopened in January 2015 when Mark Latunski was found competent to stand trial. It was later dismissed without prejudice in February 2015, according to 66th District Court records.

Suspect in Kevin Bacon murder case has long history of mental illness, records show

Much more at link~
 
Only4Justice said:
I’m not positive but I think they medicate to get them well enough to stand trial. Someone please weigh in! This man never deserves to be out of prison. All IMO
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I am NOT a specialist on Michigan law, and the following represents my general understanding of the insanity defense and how it works:

Insanity is an affirmative, or complete, defense at trial. The defendant has to show by a specified standard of evidence that he or she was mentally ill AND that (1) he or she was unable to comprehend the wrongfulness of the action taken, i.e., he or she could not tell the difference between right and wrong, OR (2) he or she was unable to behave within the confines of the law. If a person is found not guilty by reason of insanity, then he or she is "not guilty" of a crime because of an inability to formulate the requisite intent to commit it. The judge may still commit the insane person for evaluation and treatment for up to a specified number of days and then for more days upon a finding that further evaluation and treatment are needed. This can be extended for long periods of time.

If a person pleads not guilty by reason of insanity, a jury (in some states) can return a verdict of "guilty but mentally ill. This means the jury found that the government proved its case beyond a reasonable doubt AND that the defendant was mentally ill BUT that the defendant did not prove by the appropriate legal standard one of the two prongs mentioned in the preceding paragraph. If a person is found guilty but mentally ill, the judge can sentence that person to any penalty prescribed by law with the caveat that the defendant must be provided mental health treatment. Once he or she is treated, then he or she will go to prison to serve the remainder of the sentence.

Again, I am NOT a legal expert, and I'm not an expert on Michigan law. This is my general understanding of insanity and insanity-related defenses and procedures. (Michigan's standards and procedures could be different than above, so if anyone has expertise in Michigan law, please correct me.)
 
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Knox said:
Not surprising based on what we saw in the first video arraignment.

The words of his ex-wife are ringing in my head. I have to go back and find the news article, but parts of it were taken from the divorce, custody and kidnapping cases. His ex-wife said (paraphrasing) she knew he wasn't taking his medication because she counted his pills. IMO, this implies ML is capable of being sane if he stays on his meds. Without meds, he begins to exhibit signs of insanity. It's going to be a long process, which means Kevin's family will face a long and winding road to justice :(

I feel for these families who spend years attending court hearings, they are true victims of crime.
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Yes, there should be trouble for not taking his medications knowing he can function well with them.
 
Well my point for joining this site was to bring a little different perspective to the table. Someone who suffers schizophrenia, from what I read, hears voices, loses touch with what is real, thinks everyone is out to get them and so on.
If someone who knows that area which I wrote about before on magic, might see a stronger path than what I could find in my free time.
If the accused could hear voices in his head then he may have decided that following magic would be a safe path to follow. After all in his mind the neighbors were poisoning the water. On top of that his delusions at work. So he may of thought that magic was the only thing he could trust (those voices)

So if someone very knowledgable in the area of magic / spells agreed and said that this is what he was following or thought he was (moon stages and magic). Due to the fact that he could not trust anyone in the physical world, after losing his job, supposed husband, etc.
The voices may of told him that he needed to make sacrifice to some entity so that in 2020 he could get his life back together.
If something along those lines were true then it very much could be possible that he premeditated this crime by the voices he heard.
Nothing surprises me, no, nothing should surprise me anymore. But every so often I become reminded. Just like this crime.

I talked through a personal friend that I grew up with who talked directly to the source. While messaging me the words horrific, painful and suffering were used to describe what the victim had endured in that basement. Then a cold chill came across me.
 
Self_Propelled_1 said:
Well my point for joining this site was to bring a little different perspective to the table. Someone who suffers schizophrenia, from what I read, hears voices, loses touch with what is real, thinks everyone is out to get them and so on.
If someone who knows that area which I wrote about before on magic, might see a stronger path than what I could find in my free time.
If the accused could hear voices in his head then he may have decided that following magic would be a safe path to follow. After all in his mind the neighbors were poisoning the water. On top of that his delusions at work. So he may of thought that magic was the only thing he could trust (those voices)

So if someone very knowledgable in the area of magic / spells agreed and said that this is what he was following or thought he was (moon stages and magic). Due to the fact that he could not trust anyone in the physical world, after losing his job, supposed husband, etc.
The voices may of told him that he needed to make sacrifice to some entity so that in 2020 he could get his life back together.
If something along those lines were true then it very much could be possible that he premeditated this crime by the voices he heard.
Nothing surprises me, no, nothing should surprise me anymore. But every so often I become reminded. Just like this crime.

I talked through a personal friend that I grew up with who talked directly to the source. While messaging me the words horrific, painful and suffering were used to describe what the victim had endured in that basement. Then a cold chill came across me.
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While this is certainly a possibility with a schizophrenia diagnosis, there is a spectrum. So far, we haven't heard evidence of hearing voices from his estranged husband or MSM and the prior custody case.

I would argue that the evidence they will have regarding his interactions on dating apps with others who may come forward, other witnesses who have met up with him, etc may contradict any claims that he was only listening to the voices. When someone is in active psychosis and has severe schizophrenic symptoms that may garner them insane, they are likely so out of touch with reality that they could not engage with individuals on a dating app in a reasonable way to arrange the meet up.

I'm sure the defense will be using this strategy and wouldn't be surprised if they obtain a mental health expert witness to offer testimony to support that (although they are expensive and may be difficult with a PD) but I believe that ultimately justice will be served. He should be ordered to mental health treatment but likely life in prison, too. Moo
 
Momma2cam said:
While this is certainly a possibility with a schizophrenia diagnosis, there is a spectrum. So far, we haven't heard evidence of hearing voices from his estranged husband or MSM and the prior custody case.

I would argue that the evidence they will have regarding his interactions on dating apps with others who may come forward, other witnesses who have met up with him, etc may contradict any claims that he was only listening to the voices. When someone is in active psychosis and has severe schizophrenic symptoms that may garner them insane, they are likely so out of touch with reality that they could not engage with individuals on a dating app in a reasonable way to arrange the meet up.

I'm sure the defense will be using this strategy and wouldn't be surprised if they obtain a mental health expert witness to offer testimony to support that (although they are expensive and may be difficult with a PD) but I believe that ultimately justice will be served. He should be ordered to mental health treatment but likely life in prison, too. Moo
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exactly. In the world of reality to know about dating apps, meet his dates, get them to wear whatever, but he is out of touch with reality? Sorry, don’t buy it
 
Momma2cam said:
While this is certainly a possibility with a schizophrenia diagnosis, there is a spectrum. So far, we haven't heard evidence of hearing voices from his estranged husband or MSM and the prior custody case.

I would argue that the evidence they will have regarding his interactions on dating apps with others who may come forward, other witnesses who have met up with him, etc may contradict any claims that he was only listening to the voices. When someone is in active psychosis and has severe schizophrenic symptoms that may garner them insane, they are likely so out of touch with reality that they could not engage with individuals on a dating app in a reasonable way to arrange the meet up.

I'm sure the defense will be using this strategy and wouldn't be surprised if they obtain a mental health expert witness to offer testimony to support that (although they are expensive and may be difficult with a PD) but I believe that ultimately justice will be served. He should be ordered to mental health treatment but likely life in prison, too. Moo
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I agree, Momma2cam. I have seen no mention anywhere of hallucinations, confusion over his own identity, or being out of touch with reality. The FB posts I read seemed lucid, and the communication and interaction with the husband (as described by the husband) seemed normal and unremarkable. The first mention of an alternate identity, as far as I know, was at the arraignment. I think the insanity defense is an uphill battle anyway, and it seems especially so in this case. I'm not a mental health professional, so here's a question for you: Is it possible that what he did to Kevin triggered the mental state ML is now in? In other words, could it be that he did something so terrible that it caused him to "go nuts"? This might suggest incompetence at the present rather than insanity at the time of offense. (Might not make sense, but I'm just wondering...)
 
I’m not trying to minimize what happened to Kevin, but it is entirely possible it isn't as sinister as everyone is making it. It is entirely possible that the act wasn't premeditated (hence the "open murder" charge instead of a specific premeditated murder charge yet). And the mutilation charge is deceptive in name, as simply moving a body can result in that charge. It is even possible that the Kevin's death was accidental or even possibly a result of a preexisting medical condition. I don't mean to remove blame because in this situation Kevin is helpless and the "dominant" needs to be very aware of any concerns and stop all activity and call 911 if something goes wrong.

No matter what, Kevin didn't deserve to die. But we don' know anywhere near all the facts yet.
 
Valiant said:
I’m not trying to minimize what happened to Kevin, but it is entirely possible it isn't as sinister as everyone is making it. It is entirely possible that the act wasn't premeditated (hence the "open murder" charge instead of a specific premeditated murder charge yet). And the mutilation charge is deceptive in name, as simply moving a body can result in that charge. It is even possible that the Kevin's death was accidental or even possibly a result of a preexisting medical condition. I don't mean to remove blame because in this situation Kevin is helpless and the "dominant" needs to be very aware of any concerns and stop all activity and call 911 if something goes wrong.

No matter what, Kevin didn't deserve to die. But we don' know anywhere near all the facts yet.
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I see where you are coming from,but the autopsy has been done and if it were an accidental death due to a pre existing condition the ME would be able to tell,and the charges would be changed to reflect this IMO.
It is possible that it wasnt premeditated,but I am convinced it was murder and ML meant it. JMO
 
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