MI - Nevaeh Buchanan, 5, Monroe, 24 May 2009 - Body found - #5

[LaLaw2000]

Yes LaLaw look up and you can see Nevaeh now has a subforum in the missing forum.

Thank you so much, Kat! It was so needed!

 

[kiki the parrot]

Thank you, LeLe1953.

There are just any number of ways little Nevaeh could have been murdered as well as several people who could have done it.

One thing about JB is that she is chubby and looks to be out of shape. However, adrenalin carries quite a punch and enables people to do things that they would not normally be able to accomplish.

(hello, my friend!)

Surprising that she's heavy if she was "heavy" into drugs. After keeping her alive, or dead, cover-up/burial was probably done late in the middle of the night when fewer fellow "fishermen" were likely to be encountered.

arrot:

 

[TripleA]

I think that the reason she was covered by such a thin layer was because the perp put her in the hole, filled the hole with river water, dumped the 90lb bag of concrete in on top and stirred it with a stick figuring that it would set with NB at the bottom. However, because the ratio was too much water and not enough concrete for that size hole, it didn't set very fast and NB floated closer to the top while the excess water soaked back down through the bottom. JMO

 

[Donjeta]

Thanks, Mystic. I had not seen this interview. If this is accurate, I suppose this means that LE is confirming the Sunday afternoon KMart trip.
This cites the Detroit paper, but I have searched the Detroit paper site and cannot find this original story. (I am so frustrated trying to find any credible source in this story.) I have seen other mentions of JB walking to Kmart, but again from indirect sources.

It's in this google cache page dated 5th June
http://74.125.77.132/search?q=cache...the+missing+girl,+he+said.&cd=1&hl=fi&ct=clnk

 

[panthera]

I think that the reason she was covered by such a thin layer was because the perp put her in the hole, filled the hole with river water, dumped the 90lb bag of concrete in on top and stirred it with a stick figuring that it would set with NB at the bottom. However, because the ratio was too much water and not enough concrete for that size hole, it didn't set very fast and NB floated closer to the top while the excess water soaked back down through the bottom. JMO

This is what I'm thinking too. Also that there was no form around the area and concrete mix for the water not to run into the earth and set the cement.

 

[Peliman]

It's in this google cache page dated 5th June
http://74.125.77.132/search?q=cache...the+missing+girl,+he+said.&cd=1&hl=fi&ct=clnk

Thanks Donjeta, I had read the caylee daily and clicked the source and it wasn't there, made me begin to wonder. So at court he tells the judge he was burning cardboard.

Easter said he learned of Nevaeh's disappearance when he was called by a girlfriend who lives at the Charlotte Arms Apartments, where the girl had disappeared while playing alone in the parking lot. His girlfriend said she needed a ride to the store, saying the apartment complex was abuzz over the missing girl, he said.

"I had a hard time thinking in my head," Easter said of the questioning.

He told authorities he had been at Kmart that night. He said investigators tried to pin him down, acting like Nevaeh was at the store with her mother that day.

"They kept telling me, 'You followed her out of Kmart,' " Easter said.

 

[MissJames]

Infuriating is right Kiki...everything that has come out of this woman's mouth has pissed me off. The "I trusted her" statement, the statement made to the father about Nevaeh acting like a ten year old when he reminded her that she was only five...this woman should have NEVER been around her daughter unsupervised. Did CPS know the mother was living with the Grandmother who was given custody...that's what I would like to know. To top it off, it sounds like this woman does NOT even understand how her actions lead to her daughter's death. She needs to be charged with whatever they can throw at her.

I'm furious with the grandmother,who had custody of Neveah,for allowing the bio mom to have so much responsibility for the child.There's a reason mom didn't have custody!
I was a foster parent for 20 years and this type of mentality just boggles my mind.Everyone failed Neveah,not just the mom.

 

[not_my_kids]

We can start a seperate media thread now, right?

 

[scandi]

Purple is mine. I agree with so much of your post but disagree with the experts evaluation, yes, lil ole me with no experience whatsoever, disagrees with the experts. Sorry, but IMHO it doesn't take a rocket scientist to dig a shallow grave at a an area rarely frequented by others and put a little body in it and pour dry concrete over it and add some river water. Kind of dumb in my opinion as the concrete didn't cure as it should have leaving powder residue in the shallow grave, and so thin that the man and boy who found her were able to flick the cement away, that is how thin it was. Not to mention throwing the beer can in the grave, kind of sealing the perps own fate(DNA, fingerprints). So MO is LE needs to rethink, the IQ they are giving their perp. JMO.

Hi Truthwillsetufree, I agree with most of your post except for the strength of the concrete. You used 2 words that give a different interpretation of it from Mr Bickley's {sp} story, 'flick' and 'thin'.

He said SS to they had been fishing there for awhile, sitting on the 2 real rocks with his feet up on the concrete, up and down as one does when fishing, kicking at the dirt when he stood up on it and it seemed to give way and he realized it wasn't regular ground. He kicked at the dirt on it again and a piece chipped off and he saw skin underneath.

That gives me the idea it might not have been so thin but was instead not very strong. He also said he had the thought someone had poured cement powder on the spot and then thrown water on it which was why it seemed powdery in spots.

So I think the concrete shell over her was thicker than it was thin as he said he chipped a piece off by kicking it after it began to crack. And it was weaker because it was not mixed properly.

xox

 

[panthera]

I'm furious with the grandmother,who had custody of Neveah,for allowing the bio mom to have so much responsibility for the child.There's a reason mom didn't have custody!
I was a foster parent for 20 years and this type of mentality just boggles my mind.Everyone failed Neveah,not just the mom.

Where was Nevaeh's grandmother that evening anyway? Just curious since I don't remember much being said.

 

[Forensic fan]

Kiki, I have my doubts about drowning, but it is possible, for sure.

Autopsy results are not in yet, as far as i know

To drown – possibly a fighting, biting, screaming child – it is not an easy task.
Any injuries, scratches, marks on the POI's?

If she was drowned why not just dump her body into the river ?

I assume the evidence is preserved in the concrete better than at the bottom of the river (fish, wildlife etc)

Cement is very caustic when wet, it can give 3rd degree burns with prolonged exposure. Maybe he thought it wouild make her decompose faster.

 

[not_my_kids]

Cement is very caustic when wet, it can give 3rd degree burns with prolonged exposure. Maybe he thought it wouild make her decompose faster.

Thank you for that little tidbit. I didn't know that and it might change my already shaky theories.

 

[Chilly Willy]

Hi Truthwillsetufree, I agree with most of your post except for the strength of the concrete. You used 2 words that give a different interpretation of it from Mr Bickley's {sp} story, 'flick' and 'thin'.

He said SS to they had been fishing there for awhile, sitting on the 2 real rocks with his feet up on the concrete, up and down as one does when fishing, kicking at the dirt when he stood up on it and it seemed to give way and he realized it wasn't regular ground. He kicked at the dirt on it again and a piece chipped off and he saw skin underneath.

That gives me the idea it might not have been so thin but was instead not very strong. He also said he had the thought someone had poured cement powder on the spot and then thrown water on it which was why it seemed powdery in spots.

So I think the concrete shell over her was thicker than it was thin as he said he chipped a piece off by kicking it after it began to crack. And it was weaker because it was not mixed properly.

xox

Concrete needs a strong stable base. I think it cracked because a body is spongy and flexable, not because it was mixed incorrectly.

 

[panthera]

Cement is very caustic when wet, it can give 3rd degree burns with prolonged exposure. Maybe he thought it wouild make her decompose faster.

If that were the reason, then I'd suspect he worked with cement on a regular basis, and knew what it could do. A lot of people would just think of it covering her remains, or being something to keep her remains from being dug up. It still seems like a lot of work for the perp to go through when he could've just tossed her in the river. So I still think it's somebody who intended to return to the site. MOO

 

[panthera]

Concrete needs a strong stable base. I think it cracked because a body is spongy and flexable, not because it was mixed incorrectly.

Yes ~ and in this case the body was decomposing underneath it.

 

[charminglane]

Can the parents of the other children in the apartment complex press charges against JB for subjecting their children to a known sex offender?
If she were arrested she might crack.

 

[charminglane]

Especially the mother of the girl that spent the night at JB's place. I am sure the childern have all encountered GK at some point.

 

[scandi]

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Concrete needs a strong stable base. I think it cracked because a body is spongy and flexable, not because it was mixed incorrectly.

That could be the case Chilly. He said when he pushed down it popped back up, or SS.

In the first links about the concrete it stated it was 'poured' over her. That might have been the wrong word for the journo to use, but it left me wondering if there could be a pail or bucket involved.

We also read they took Jennifer to the site as there was something she might recognize, right? I've been wondering what was there she could ID and wonder if it could be a pail found either in that 3-4 feet of water or in the trees?

 

[Chilly Willy]

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That could be the case Chilly. He said when he pushed down it popped back up, or SS.

In the first links about the concrete it stated it was 'poured' over her. That might have been the wrong word for the journo to use, but it left me wondering if there could be a pail or bucket involved.

We also read they took Jennifer to the site as there was something she might recognize, right? I've been wondering what was there she could ID and wonder if it could be a pail found either in that 3-4 feet of water or in the trees?

I disagree with the reports that whoever did this was used to working with concrete. Anyone with knowledge of concrete would know that a thin layer poured over a spongy object would crack.

 

[LaLaw2000]

Concrete needs a strong stable base. I think it cracked because a body is spongy and flexable, not because it was mixed incorrectly.

I think you are right, Chilly. Makes me furious that this was done to Nevaeh, and that poor guy could not have possibly known what he was stepping on.