GUILTY MI - Ricky Holland, 7, Williamston, 1 July 2005

[Bobbisangel]

No wonder they didn't want their faces out there in the news. Maybe someone saw them when they went to get rid of poor little Ricky's body.
On the other hand though, people that have murdered their spouse or children usually don't like to spend much time in the news....it probably isn't due to guilt feelings...probably afraid that they won't be able to keep up the facade.

These people just make me sick. I wonder what poor little Ricky did that they decided warrented being murdered. They knew that little boy had problems when they adopted him. And they kept on adopting more children. Well thank God the other children will no longer be raised by them. All this time they have been complaining about LE looking at them....searching their home, etc, and all of the time they knew right where that beautiful little boy was.

I hope they spend the rest of their lives in prison.....and may they rot in hell when their time comes. You can rest in peace now beautiful little Ricky.

 

[dulcinea]

It breaks my heart time after time when I see how much people on these boards, who've never these children, care about these children so much when their own parents don't. These people are absolute monsters. Unfortunately (IMO), Michigan does not have the death penalty. Even that would be too good for them. I'll bet they thought they were goingto get away with this. It makes me so sick to think of how they viewed several surveillance videos from area stores to see ifthe children on them were Ricky knowing the entire time where he was. I'm stunned at their audacity to complain that LE were considering them suspects. These people are MONSTERS and I hope they have a long, miserable life in prison. At least maybe now those who loved this little boy can have some peace and may he have a proper burial.

 

[mindi77]

http://www.wlns.com/Global/story.asp?S=4419812&nav=0RbQ





Parents of Missing Local Boy Now Labeled Suspects
Jan 27, 2006, 11:31 AM
Parents of Missing Boy Labeled "Suspects"



The Ingham County Sheriff's Department says Tim and Lisa Holland are now suspects in the disappearance of their 8-year-old boy. Ricky Holland went missing from the couple's Williamston home last July.

 

[mindi77]

http://www.wnem.com/Global/story.asp?S=4421694




Ricky Holland's Parents Arrested In Connection With Disappearance


t a press conference Friday evening, officials said both parents have been arrested, and remains have been found in rural Ingham County while executing a search warrant. Those remains have not been positively identified.

 

[mindi77]

http://www.woodtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=4421747&nav=menu44_2



Parents charged in connection with disappearance of adoptive son



pdate, Ingham County, January 28, 2006, 12:15 p.m.) Saturday morning, Tim and Lisa Holland were video arraigned in the Ingham County Sheriff's Department on charges connected to the disappearance of their adoptive son Ricky.

Tim and Lisa Holland are each charged with obstruction of justice for lying to police about Ricky Holland's death. That charge carries a $5,000 bond. The Hollands are also material witnesses in each other's cases. Consequently, they are being held on $1,000,000 bond.

Human remains are being examined at Sparrow Hospital in Lansing. They were found Friday near Williamston Road and Ewers Road, just south of Dansville. Investigators are waiting for results of dental records to make a positive identification. They expect those results Saturday afternoon or Sunday.

 

[mindi77]

http://www.lsj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060128/NEWS01/601280328/1001/news



Police: Ricky is dead, parents to be charged

By Kevin Grasha and T.M. Shultz
Lansing State Journal

MASON - Ricky Holland is dead, police said Friday.

Tim and Lisa Holland of Williamston were arrested Friday in connection with the disappearance and death of their adopted 7-year-old son, six months after they reported him missing.

Both provided personal knowledge about what happened to Ricky, said Ingham County Sheriff Gene Wriggelsworth.
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"What appears to be human remains were located at a rural location in Ingham County," Wriggelsworth said. He would not specify where.

 

[aussiegran]

In a strange chain of events, a couple's argument inadvertently touched off a massive search for a missing boy and led to the discovery of the decomposed body of an adult hidden in a thicket.

http://www.mlive.com/news/fljournal/index.ssf?/base/news-30/1121525403216830.xml

Joanne Putman lives just up the street from the Hollands. She says the family moved in on the first of May and mostly keep to themselves. She's never even seen Ricky outside playing, but she knows he has run away a few times - he was found once in her neighbor's kitchen.

"In talking with family, he asked for someone to cook him some eggs. The sheriff came and took him home. A few days later he was in another neighbors home asking for a peanut butter sandwich," Putman said.

That second time, Putman says, Ricky had a bag with him full of clothes and asked his neighbor if he could live with them.

http://www.woodtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=3603073&nav=0RcecDpo

I just went back over the thread and found your post Myst and it has made me cry all over again ,Poor ricky was trying to tell someone what was going on and no one listened.I see the B**tards are trying to blame each other.I hope they rot in HELL.

 

[aussiegran]

Update, Ingham County, January 28, 2006, 12:15 p.m.) Saturday morning, Tim and Lisa Holland were video arraigned in the Ingham County Sheriff's Department on charges connected to the disappearance of their adoptive son Ricky.

Tim and Lisa Holland are each charged with obstruction of justice for lying to police about Ricky Holland's death. That charge carries a $5,000 bond. The Hollands are also material witnesses in each other's cases. Consequently, they are being held on $1,000,000 bond.

Human remains are being examined at Sparrow Hospital in Lansing. They were found Friday near Williamston Road and Ewers Road, just south of Dansville. Investigators are waiting for results of dental records to make a positive identification. They expect those results Saturday afternoon or Sunday.

Eight-year-old Ricky Holland has been missing since July after police say Holland, then seven, ran away from his Williamston home. His adoptive parents were arrested Friday afternoon.
http://www.woodtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=4421747
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:behindbar I tthought I would post it here too .

 

[concernedperson]

We are hearing way too much about adoptive parents and them killing the children or abusing them. CPS has got to start evaluating these situations more closely including but not limited to psychological exams as well as background checks. Also, it wouldn't hurt to observe people in their work environments and spot home checks.

Since a lot of foster parents receive financial gain this should even be a closer evaluation. Just placing children shouldn't be the priority it should be the child's welfare first and foremost.

 

[mysteriew]

Whoa, I hadn't been in this thread for a while!
In a way, I hope that is Ricky that they found. At least he can now be put to rest properly.
It sounds like the domestic assault split the couple, and maybe "Dad" is talking? Right after "Mom" gets arrested, then they find the body. So they are being held both being held as material witnesses in each other's case. LE isn't going to take any chances of either of them clamming up again. Holding "Dad" under the same charges as "Mom" means that he knows that he still isn't in the clear yet, and that if he clams up, he could go down on murder also. Salt in the wound so to speak, as he is already mad at "Mom" for the domestic assault.

 

[ketel0ne]

Body of Missing Seven Year Old Identified, Parents Arraigned

 

[Alice253]

http://www.woodtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=4421747

That poor little boy. RIP Ricky.

BTW, the stepmother was arrested earlier this week. This is from the link...
It's the second time this week that Lisa Holland has been arrested. She was in court on Thursday after being charged with domestic violence for throwing a hair dryer into her husband's shower. She was later released on bond. Lisa and Tim Holland are scheduled to appear in court February 7th for their preliminary hearings.

OK, my bets are on Lisa.

 

[hoppyfrog]

Here's another link:

http://woodtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=4421747

 

[hoppyfrog]

There is another longer and more complete thread here at websleuths about this case. Here is the link:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25775

Hoppy

 

[Bobbisangel]

Poor little Ricky going to neighbors asking for food and then asking if he could live with them. I wonder if anyone ever asked him if he had eaten that day or why he wanted to live with them? Did they just blow him off or just call the sheriff and send him back home? Did the sheriff ask him what the problem was? Sounds like another child that no one paid any attention to when he was trying to tell them that something was wrong. It shouldn't have ended like this.

I wonder why they adopted all of those kids? I wonder if any of the other kids were abused. I hope LE has the good sense to talk to the kids and find out what their lives were really like.

I'd like to know which parent told LE where Ricky's body was. Evidentally they both knew he was dead and where he was this whole time. They knew and they let his little body just lay out there and rot away while they fussed about LE calling them suspects. They complained about LE searching their house. I'm glad that Lisa got mad at Tim and threw that dryer at him because if she hadn't we may never have know what happend to little Ricky.
Glad she let that temper get away from her. Now she can pay the price for what she did and so can her husband.

 

[petra]

This makes me so sick. Poor little Ricky.

How could children have been placed in this home with these lying monsters??

Hope papa gets court martial....with his (cough) hot shot important army intelligence job that he can't be shown on media????? will he wear a bag on his head during trial???

I am so angry about this.....just disgusted.
Kudos to LE for being more patient than I am.

 

[tabloidtrisha]

I'd like to know which parent told LE where Ricky's body was. Evidentally they both knew he was dead and where he was this whole time. They knew and they let his little body just lay out there and rot away while they fussed about LE calling them suspects. They complained about LE searching their house.

According to news accounts Tim Holland was the one who led LE to Ricky's remains. He was according to those news accounts inside of a plastic bag and had been thrown down a ravine. The area was approximately 15 minutes, I believe from the Holland home. It was in some sort of hunting preserve. I am surprised no hunters made the discovery. The news accounts said the body was not covered with brush or anything.

I am also just sickened by all of this but I did figure it was at the Holland's hands that Ricky was murdered. I never believed he ran away from home and was abducted by strangers. Poor Ricky.

 

[hoppyfrog]

Here's a link with more info:

http://woodtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=4431228

Here's part of the article:

"I wasn't confident we'd ever find Ricky's remains," says Sheriff Gene Wriggelsworth. "But there were things that happened, even the first day, that would make even an inexperienced police officer think, 'Something's wrong here, this story isn't right.'"

He says, as thousands of community volunteers joined officers and experts from around the country in searching for the boy, Lisa Holland brought him an updated picture of Ricky, then asked the location of the search team mounted on horses. Her other children wanted to see them.

"Never once asked how the search was going, if she could get anything else. Her focus was on entertaining the rest of the kids. This is my 40th year in the business and never have I seen a reaction like that from a parent whose child is missing," says Wriggelsworth.

 

[mysteriew]

So the hair dryer was plugged in!
I still can't decide if it was Lisa or Tim that actually comitted the murder, though I am leaning toward Lisa. Still it could have been Tim, and the throwing the dryer in the shower merely a reaction to an argument, and a "after all I have done for you, by keeping my mouth shut" type of response. Personally, I don't really care which committed the murder and which participated in the coverup. IMO both should be tried and convicted for the murder.
The way it is, except for Tim leading LE to the body, by both blaming the other, unless one confesses- they are both providing reasonable doubt for the other. I wonder if that was planned? Try them together, like you would any two people who conspire to kill someone else, and let them both take the fall. One may be innocent of the murder, but they assisted with the coverup and endangered the other children by allowing the other parent to remain in contact with them.

 

[dulcinea]

LE has stated that there is enough difference in the stories they are telling to determine which one is lying. I'm keeping my fingers crossed on that. I'd hate to see them BOTH get off because of reasonable doubt. I'm sure they'd be convicted on other charges, but I want to see them pay for what they did. I still cannot believe the "innocent" parent didn't run immediately to the phone and call the police.