Found Deceased MI - Venus Stewart, 32, Colon, 28 April 2010 - # 2 *D. Stewart guilty*

[pufnstuf]

So I guess it would be possible for someone to call the kids from Dougs phone and do a three way call where they could connect Doug through to make it look like he called from the house...
ETA: The call he made the day before the abduction to his kids

Anyone know ?

Absolutely possible. Also possible to spoof location numbers on caller ID.

Look at #13 on this list.

http://www.artofhacking.com/files/BEATCID.HTM

 

[pufnstuf]

He didn't hide the vehicles, they were parked outside the condo where he lived. IIRC they were found on the 28th, which was probably the first day the local police went looking for them.

As far as the vehicles are concerned, the timeline would be something like this:

Morning of the 26th: she dissappears
"Late evening" of the 26th: LE contacts hubby in Virginia (presumably by phone)
27th: LE decides that he is a POI, decides they need to find the pickup due to sighting by the neighbor, and contacts the Newport police to assist in the investigation.
28th: Newport police assigns someone to go out and investigate, and locates the vehicles.

After that to actually search the vehicles they would need warrants, which would have taken the balance of the time. But it doesn't look like the vehicles had been hidden, LE just didnt have legal access to them until the warrant was issued.

He was determined to be a person of interest/suspect immediately upon report that Venus was missing on the 26th. They put out APB on the vehicles immediately after she went missing. The vehicles were not located until the 28th. I've been through every article about this case and I've seen nothing that stated that Newport didn't assign someone to start looking for the vehicles until the 28th. Do you have a link for that?

 

[cluciano63]

I know that there was some confusion about the fact that LE could not locate vehicles for a few days...or that he would not say where they were? It did not seem that LE came to knowing where they were quickly, in other words...

 

[Natal]

He was determined to be a person of interest/suspect immediately upon report that Venus was missing on the 26th. They put out APB on the vehicles immediately after she went missing. The vehicles were not located until the 28th. I've been through every article about this case and I've seen nothing that stated that Newport didn't assign someone to start looking for the vehicles until the 28th. Do you have a link for that?

They wouldn't have contacted the Newport police and asked them to look until they knew that he was there. Because of the geographic distance I imagine that prior to that they would have been looking locally.

It is not logical for them to be looking for him and the vehicle in Newport immediately after the dissappearance since that would have meant that he couldn't be involved and they were looking at him as though he might be. So, the earliest they might have started looking for the vehicles in Newport would have been the 27th.

Keep in mind that the case only started getting national coverage about a week after she dissapeared, and in that coverage the vehicles were decribed as "missing". But it would appear that they were not missing at all, it was just poor reporting.

 

[thinkaboutthis]

http://www.wwmt.com/articles/margin-1375898-bottom-style.html#slComments

I found this article interesting initially...but check out the first comment that follows...

 

[Natal]

I know that there was some confusion about the fact that LE could not locate vehicles for a few days...or that he would not say where they were? It did not seem that LE came to knowing where they were quickly, in other words...

I think what happened is that he didn't give them permission to do a search, which required them to get warrants. Then somehow that got twisted in the media to be meaning that LE didn't know where they were.

 

[pufnstuf]

They wouldn't have contacted the Newport police and asked them to look until they knew that he was there. Because of the geographic distance I imagine that prior to that they would have been looking locally.

It is not logical for them to be looking for him and the vehicle in Newport immediately after the dissappearance since that would have meant that he couldn't be involved and they were looking at him as though he might be. So, the earliest they might have started looking for the vehicles in Newport would have been the 27th.

Keep in mind that the case only started getting national coverage about a week after she dissapeared, and in that coverage the vehicles were decribed as "missing". But it would appear that they were not missing at all, it was just poor reporting.

It's completely logical to look for him in Newport News. All of the news reports said that LE thought that he and she may be headed back to Newport News. Plus a bolo was issued for the vehicles THE VERY DAY she went missing. He was located late that night that Venus went missing in Newport News. I have no doubt that Newport News police was contacted by MSP on the 26th and became involved in the case then.

This article, from the 26th, states that he's the suspect and that MSP believed he was headed to Virginia. Of course NNP were contacted and began to look for DS on the 26th.

http://www.wsbt.com/news/local/92146019.html

 

[thinkaboutthis]

They wouldn't have contacted the Newport police and asked them to look until they knew that he was there. Because of the geographic distance I imagine that prior to that they would have been looking locally.

It is not logical for them to be looking for him and the vehicle in Newport immediately after the dissappearance since that would have meant that he couldn't be involved and they were looking at him as though he might be. So, the earliest they might have started looking for the vehicles in Newport would have been the 27th.

Keep in mind that the case only started getting national coverage about a week after she dissapeared, and in that coverage the vehicles were decribed as "missing". But it would appear that they were not missing at all, it was just poor reporting.

IIRC the articles that came out right after she disappeared were asking if anyone around where she disappeared had seen either of those two vehicles not that they couldn't be located.

 

[RubyRed]

http://www.wwmt.com/articles/margin-1375898-bottom-style.html#slComments

I found this article interesting initially...but check out the first comment that follows...

The third comment as well about the money.

 

[thinkaboutthis]

It's completely logical to look for him in Newport News. All of the news reports said that LE thought that he and she may be headed back to Newport News. Plus a bolo was issued for the vehicles THE VERY DAY she went missing. He was located late that night that Venus went missing in Newport News. I have no doubt that Newport News police was contacted by MSP on the 26th and became involved in the case then.

This article, from the 26th, states that he's the suspect and that MSP believed he was headed to Virginia. Of course NNP were contacted and began to look for DS on the 26th.

http://www.wsbt.com/news/local/92146019.html

After speaking to him on the 26th they were very clear to say that he was not currently considered a suspect.

http://www.wwmt.com/articles/margin-1375898-bottom-style.html#slComments

April 30, 2010 5:35 PM
ST. JOSEPH COUNTY, Mich. (NEWSCHANNEL 3) – Investigators in St. Joseph County spent Friday searching a wooded area for Venus Stewart.



The search focused on the Adams Lake area north of Colon Township, not far from Stewart's parents home.



The Michigan State Police and the Sheriff's Department canvassed the area on foot but didn't find anything.



Stewart was last seen in her pajamas on Tuesday morning. Her husband, Douglas Stewart, lives in Virginia. He has been questioned by authorities but currently is not considered a suspect.

 

[thinkaboutthis]

Unless there was a leak or it's just a rumour it seems hard to believe that LE would exclusively provide that info to NG. But it's the weekend so this probably won't be cleared up until next week.

I don't think it's any big surprise that we're not hearing both sides of this story. The husband obviously felt he had to protect himself by involving his lawyer right away (and probably wisely) and the only information the police and the media are getting without having to go through process is coming straight from the mouths of VS parents, particularly, her father and NG who is obviously, biased towards promoting the theory that VS parents believe occurred. She let the father call him a murderer on TV. She aired the mother begging DS for VS safe return. This before it's even been determined he was involved in anything.

I still haven't seen anything from LE that links this to DS. Even after 12-13 days, don't you think there would be something by now? It's seeming more and more fishy to me.

 

[panthera]

I think what happened is that he didn't give them permission to do a search, which required them to get warrants. Then somehow that got twisted in the media to be meaning that LE didn't know where they were.

That's my interpretation too since one article I read yesterday clearly said the truck was parked outside his apartment. MOO

 

[pufnstuf]

Jim Kouri, a spokesman for the National Association of Chiefs of Police, says "person of interest" often is a euphemism for "suspect."

"If it's a suspect and you say 'person of interest,' you're using the euphemism to avoid problems down the line," says Kouri, a former New York housing police officer. What problems? Police sometimes "try to maintain that the person really isn't a suspect" in order to get him to agree to questioning without Miranda warnings, Kouri says. "You don't want the guy to lawyer up."

Kouri says across the country, "it's the legal counsel telling police chiefs that they should instruct their officers and train them to use that term."

http://www.ajr.org/article.asp?id=4042

(MSP Lt. Mike) Risko said Venus Stewart’s estranged husband Douglas H. Stewart, of Newport News, VA, remains the sole “person of interest in the case.”

http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2010/05/michigan_state_police_want_to.html

 

[amysmom]

Not only busted, but conveniently stupid, like so many criminals...

bbm

Like the man (in the sketch) who was seen coming out of the woods soaking wet & asking someone "where am I?"..IOW! Not caring he was seen IF he happens to be the one 'hired to kill' Venus for hubby..I feel this is def something he would do & from all the "murder for hire" cases I've seen they pick mostly morons who are X-Cons..These who will do anything, even murder, for $$$..Sometimes for as little as $5,000..Or even just a vehicle..Most of the time these morons get caught & then rat out the that hired them.

IF this is what happened here he was probably scouting out a place (the night before) to dump Venus after he kidnapped & killed her..I know LE searched this area so maybe he didn't like that spot afterall & chose another one nearby cos I seriously doubt he drove too far with a dead person in the truck (?) & def not all the way back to NN.

 

[thinkaboutthis]

Jim Kouri, a spokesman for the National Association of Chiefs of Police, says "person of interest" often is a euphemism for "suspect."

"If it's a suspect and you say 'person of interest,' you're using the euphemism to avoid problems down the line," says Kouri, a former New York housing police officer. What problems? Police sometimes "try to maintain that the person really isn't a suspect" in order to get him to agree to questioning without Miranda warnings, Kouri says. "You don't want the guy to lawyer up."

Kouri says across the country, "it's the legal counsel telling police chiefs that they should instruct their officers and train them to use that term."

http://www.ajr.org/article.asp?id=4042

(MSP Lt. Mike) Risko said Venus Stewart’s estranged husband Douglas H. Stewart, of Newport News, VA, remains the sole “person of interest in the case.”

http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2010/05/michigan_state_police_want_to.html

Well, it sounds like he lawyered up the same day or the day after she disappeared, so what good does it do to continue to say the he is not a suspect or to simply call him a POI if he is really a suspect when he has already instructed them to go through his attorney for everything?

 

[cluciano63]

I somehow do not think the guy in the woods/water had anything to do with this...just opinion...would be nice if he would come forward but he could even be homeless.

 

[amysmom]

She aired the mother begging DS for VS safe return

sbm

I noticed the very first night when her mother was a basket-case on NG her hubby sat there & did nothing to comfort her..Absolutely nothing & also their chairs were very far apart..That struck me very odd. :waitasec:

 

[thinkaboutthis]

Has anyone requested the content of the PPO filed against VS by DS? Did he have custody of those children by himself for a while? If so, what were the circumstances leading up to that? I'm wondering if there is anything of substance that can be gleaned there?

Also, I'm confused about this whole "Schoolcraft Police" investigation. It seems pretty clear that VS accused DS of doing something while they lived in Schoolcraft (when did they up and move to Newport News?) and of filing a false police report against her father. What was the accusation in the police report that was filed against her father? It appears DS wasn't charged with filing a false police report. Is this info the can gotten through the FOI? Did she leave Virginia and come back to Michigan before February? and then return to Virginia again followed by the "last" trip back to Michigan?

Also, someone mentioned that DS probably received the temporary custody order in the mail a few days after the court hearing and freaked out and went berzerk, but I thought I recalled hearing that he was actually in Michigan for that court hearing, and he would have received those determinations at the court hearing if that was the case.

 

[thinkaboutthis]

sbm

I noticed the very first night when her mother was a basket-case on NG her hubby sat there & did nothing to comfort her..Absolutely nothing & also their chairs were very far apart..That struck me very odd. :waitasec:

I noticed that too. She was distraught. He sat there cold and expressionless. And when she started to fall apart, he just kinda looked over at her like, "what are you doing?" If anyone has a clip of that, I'd love to see it again.

 

[mysticrose]

The third comment as well about the money.

That person is prob. his alibi, and it sounds like an excuse Doug could use for the reason a bunch of money could be missing from his account .. lol (j/k) but it is possible

http://www.wwmt.com/articles/margin-1375898-bottom-style.html#slComments