Michelle Young ~ Pregnant Mother NC Part 2

DNA Solves
DNA Solves
DNA Solves
Status
Not open for further replies.
oceanblueeyes said:
Right and remember Greta and Jim said if they didn't have the lights on out there it would be dark as pitch. Not a thing stirring I bet....except whomever harmed Michelle and the baby.

IMO

Ocean
This is where I have to wonder about how dark it would be though, if the moon was at 91% (as someone looked into earlier in the threads), it would seem to illuminate the area enough to make passage to the house a tad bit easier. I can't say for sure as I don't know what the weather was like that night in NC- just a thought.

What puzzles me also is the comment from Jim or Greta about a "dense forest" behind the house. It just didn't look like a "forest"?
 
PolkSaladAnnie said:
Hi Topsail and w/c to W/S!

Thanks for this insight and background. I feel the Sheriff is *not* going to be pressured into what the public wants and cares less for any media congregation in his town/county - and, in tandem with other posters, said as much way back.

Lord, I hope this is not another husband/spouse-did-it case: But this not being random and Jason's belongings *impounded* and Jason's lawyering up immediately with a well-known crim defense lawyer just makes my tea-leaves spell out a few things that words may not have said.

Again (ag! :banghead: ) my own thoughts and opnion.

Btw: have callers rung into that program with their views?


Again, thanks for your posts!

PSA
Hi PSA,

The station has not aired one word about this case (other than the first day or two after the discovery of Michelle's body) and I find it odd because the host of the program is very loud mouthed and hot headed and opinionated (I mean this in a good way - I love the guy). I wonder if Sherriff Harrison has asked the host NOT to talk about it until at least after an arrest.

While y'all are scanning the WRAL website in the next couple of days you'll notice the Raleigh Christmas parade is today. I'm sure Sherriff Harrison will be there and I'm sure there will be some pics of him sitting upon a float :p Last year he came cruising by in one of the county's rescue boats with one of the our search and rescue dogs - really neat. Oh and my DD is a senior at a local high school and she's in marching band so she'll be there too. :blushing:
 
Morning all!

Yep, I;m addicted. BUT: I'm still of the opinion there is too much of a campaign going on in Jason's camp. There are little things I've been thinking about - such as his lawyering-up...

If we go back to Scott-days, we KNOW that SP completely ignored counsel and blabbed off on TV shows, and basically made a total idiot of himself - at times implicating and incriminating himself.

So, I'm feeling that Jason may have been forewarned about this , has been instructed NOT to say anything and is listening to cousel; he has not and won't squeak. That's telling to me ... LE and his atties know SOMETHING... He's been holed up with his family and BECAUSE he was lawyered up instantly, how do we know his def team aren't sewing seeds of doubt? Possible? Probable? Who knows. But something's not right here. Will he be returning now the house is open? Hmmmm, let's see. I now what I think, but let's see...

At the funeral, he did not even appear to hug let alone spend time with Michelle's mom. Why? Surely there's joint grief? And why does it appear that Michelle's family are distancing themselves? That's very telling ...

Also - we all know that as the husband, he's automatically a POI. But NOT automatically guilty; therefore it's his constitutional right to protect himself. No problem with that. Same applies to the last person to be seen with victim and the person who discovered the body. Now - have those two people instantly lawyered up and left town? No probable cause was issued against them, right? Basically: no one is talking. LE know the legal team they're up against and they know what they're instructing family. Michelle's mom funeral speech eclipsed the basics but did not get into extended family.

So, because HE cannot talk, is there a mini-team of happy-campers going out talking FOR him? If so, why? Is a jury pool on the horizon? Do a certain few need to know the other side? (After all, they all know him SO well, but stop short at critical points in posts when they're asked specific things like time lines and phone calls - now I look at the questions DODGED, not the questions answered and DEFINITELY not statements made).

One poster on CTV (very early in their thread that I finally went through) states all his/her information is through reliable people close to Jason, and has known Jason a decade. Too many details about the house/dog, though. Then - a poster posted about the May '05 car-accident... querying the event.

Within nano-seconds, this poster was there and described the accident in (too) close detail (imo), even talking about as they approached the bend, Michelle leaning over getting something in the back seat, the "split-second" that Jason took his eyes of the wheel, in that the curve in the road ... and a that exact curve Jason lost control ... Basically there was intimate and intricate detail that I would not have expected a 3rd party to be so articulate over: especially as 'that poster' could not possibly have known what the next poster was going to ask/post? I thought the detail was almost a mirror image as in "huh??? you sound as though YOU WERE IN THE CAR WITH THEM!" ... or over polished on specific stories.

But again, that's MOO.

If local LE do not want this to be a media circus, they're sure sticking to their guns. And that tells me, with Jason moving in with his folks and staying clear, that we may find out a LOT more.

Also: if he's been in Brevard for 10 days - does that mean he's taken compassionate leave? Has he still got his job? Is there something amiss in his testimony that's making his employers .... (er) stay mute on the subject?

From known records and wedding/anniversary/birth dates, this was a shot-gun marriage. BUT - they could have set a date and Michelle got PG beforehand. However, if that's not the case, maybe Jason subconsiously felt trapped from day-one and has resented this feeling all this time? Another baby locks his 'doing time' for an extended period.

No one is perfect and the more the Jasonites campaign out there, the more I actually go off him (at least I'm honest enough to say as much). I feel his Grande Exit may have been part of a perfectly scored alibi... and to think (or assume) that he left earlier than 10:30 is just that: an assumption. BUT ... if he did leave (as we know friends were there when he left) - would those friends arrive maybe 2 hours before Grey's aired? An hour before? unlikely. 30 - 40 mins before - maybe...

The pattern LE has released is brief. That's why I'm not buying more cloth than is necessary. This was not a random crime. Jason is the only person that was issued a probable cause; he lawyered up instantly and has been forbidden to talk. If he does, he may incriminate himself.

I feel this is not going to drag on for 4 months because we do not (tragically) have to wait 4 months for bodies to wash up. And I feel Jason Young has not had this perfect life that is being made out.

Again, look at Chris Porco. He bludgeoned his own parents to death because his image was about to be blown. That act in and of itself blew open this sick man's real persona. But the act shocked and horrified many. Not a drop of blood on him. No DNA. He had an alibi - he was (ehem) at college. Wrong.

Finally, what car is Jason using if his has been impounded? Michelle's? Didn't Meredith see Michelle's car there? If she did - then NO WONDER she walked through the house not scared. Despite beliving Michelle was at work, Meredith may have seen Michelle's car and thought "Oh boy, I hope Shell hasn't seen the fax...".

Meredith did nothing wrong and was led into that place, IMO. If the dog was freaking out - perhaps he'd been left inside to protect Cassidy? Maybe he wanted to do his poopsi-daisies and couldn't get out? Maybe he sensed death (a lot of animals do) and stopped barking when 'family' came to help?

Maybe Jason snuk around through the trailer park to not be detected? Maybe, on other 'sales trips' he's been with someone else? Maybe HE has financial problems, but Michelle didn't? MAYBE if divorce or whatever was in HIS mind, he didn't want to lsoe the house, Cassidy and face another failure?

Maybe ... Jason did commit this crime after all? Maybe not. Will something "happen" now the tapes have been removed? 64 K question...

If this is too long and ya want me to delete, I will.
 
Topsail Girl said:
Hi PSA,

The station has not aired one word about this case (other than the first day or two after the discovery of Michelle's body) and I find it odd because the host of the program is very loud mouthed and hot headed and opinionated (I mean this in a good way - I love the guy). I wonder if Sherriff Harrison has asked the host NOT to talk about it until at least after an arrest.

While y'all are scanning the WRAL website in the next couple of days you'll notice the Raleigh Christmas parade is today. I'm sure Sherriff Harrison will be there and I'm sure there will be some pics of him sitting upon a float :p Last year he came cruising by in one of the county's rescue boats with one of the our search and rescue dogs - really neat. Oh and my DD is a senior at a local high school and she's in marching band so she'll be there too. :blushing:

Lol, I've just posted a book on my thoughts heh!

Thanks for your resonse and GOOD LUCK with your DD's march 'n all. Have fun. Cya later :)
 
PSA,


I haven't checked the other boards (I sometimes feel like I'm going to the dark side when I do) but since you have and are obviously up on what is being posted by someone who says they know Jason, have you seen that person indicate anything about when the arrangement was made to go visit his parents?

Have they given any reason why Jason would go to Brevard on this particular weekend - like a family birthday or some event such as that ?

I ask because I find the timing interesting but there may be a perfectly logical reason why and I am curious, well, down right nosey actually :D .

I'm having a bit of trouble thinking that a meeting somewhere in Virginia is at all convenient to setting up a visit with the folks. So I need, no I think Jason needs, some kind of reason to have gone on this specific weekend - otherwise it sure is starting to smell pretty well premeditated if he murdered his wife. Right now it appears to be a stunning coincidence....TIA
 
raisincharlie said:
PSA,


I haven't checked the other boards (I sometimes feel like I'm going to the dark side when I do) but since you have and are obviously up on what is being posted by someone who says they know Jason, have you seen that person indicate anything about when the arrangement was made to go visit his parents?

Have they given any reason why Jason would go to Brevard on this particular weekend - like a family birthday or some event such as that ?

I ask because I find the timing interesting but there may be a perfectly logical reason why and I am curious, well, down right nosey actually :D .

I'm having a bit of trouble thinking that a meeting somewhere in Virginia is at all convenient to setting up a visit with the folks. So I need, no I think Jason needs, some kind of reason to have gone on this specific weekend - otherwise it sure is starting to smell pretty well premeditated if he murdered his wife. Right now it appears to be a stunning coincidence....TIA

Hi charlie, appreciate your response. I've been up for hours reading many blogs. From all I've read and it's been a 'mission', lol, I've not read or picked up ONE THING that indicates anniversay, birthday, school-reunion, sporting event, mega-star concert ... nothing ... other than Jason was on a business trip and swung-by his parents as it was 'in the area'.

And I'm downer-than-down right nosey, lol! The reason I spent all this time doing so is because I just don't accept what we're told as "fact" and I'm hesitant about the all-out Jason's Perfect and Wouold Never Do This type of poster.

So, I been searching. Searching to back up my gut instinct.

ANYTHING I find, I'll post here... but if we're fighting for justice then as strong as the voices that reign on one side - so all I may offer is a strong voice on the other side. That's all, lol...
 
charlie ... there's a sense of command in the silence this chief is keeping. I don't know why, but I respect his quiet status. perhaps because so often we see folk eager to get into the media. This Sheriff, imo, goes: nuttin doin! I have a job and I am going to do my job and no reporter is going to make me lose focus...

Gosh I sooo believe there is alot more to this ...
 
AlwaysShocked said:
To otto: About computer printers being activated remotely, I have a "4-in-1" machine hooked up to my computer. It is a printer, a copier, a scanner and a fax machine.

The 4-in-1machine stays turned on at all times. Thus, if someone sends a fax, no matter what time of day or night, the machine just prints it out.


P.S. I think the husband did it. (But I always think the husband did it!) I cannot for the life of me believe that an innocent person would not voluntarily be giving fingerprints, blood samples, etc. to assist the police. Yes, I know they have the alleged rape case down there. But this is not a stripper/dancer accuses frat boys of rape -- this is a murder, forgodsade!

And he talked to the police "for about 5 minutes on Nov 3rd"????

I just hope they can nail the b@stard with forensics!
I agree with you. I would like to know why Jason hasn't returned to the house, with the police and looked to see if anything was taken by the person who murdered his wife?
 
PolkSaladAnnie said:
charlie ... there's a sense of command in the silence this chief is keeping. I don't know why, but I respect his quiet status. perhaps because so often we see folk eager to get into the media. This Sheriff, imo, goes: nuttin doin! I have a job and I am going to do my job and no reporter is going to make me lose focus...

Gosh I sooo believe there is alot more to this ...
PSA,

First thanks for responding to my questions - it is appreciated. I figured if we hadn't heard about some reason (why JY went to the folks) there probably hasn't been one mentioned.

As to the above comment - I get the same feeling about the Sheriff - no nonsense, no games, just pure and honest effort. I think this is reinforced in the article I will post at the end of this - note how calm this fellow Kiger is in both his thoughts and how he expresses them. For a neighbor who has had a horrific crime occur not far from him - he shows no fear. His demeanor really struck me. Like the police have spent great effort assuring these folks...

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=local&id=4773352

It's caused a lot of anxiousness," said Carl Kiger, who lives across the street from the Youngs' house.

He and other neighbors worried about a killer on the loose until investigators said it was not a random crime. Since then, they worried about how seeing a crime scene each day would affect their kids.



Surely the reassurance is backed with some knowledge !!!
 
raisincharlie said:
PSA,

First thanks for responding to my questions - it is appreciated. I figured if we hadn't heard about some reason (why JY went to the folks) there probably hasn't been one mentioned.

As to the above comment - I get the same feeling about the Sheriff - no nonsense, no games, just pure and honest effort. I think this is reinforced in the article I will post at the end of this - note how calm this fellow Kiger is in both his thoughts and how he expresses them. For a neighbor who has had a horrific crime occur not far from him - he shows no fear. His demeanor really struck me. Like the police have spent great effort assuring these folks...

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=local&id=4773352

It's caused a lot of anxiousness," said Carl Kiger, who lives across the street from the Youngs' house.

He and other neighbors worried about a killer on the loose until investigators said it was not a random crime. Since then, they worried about how seeing a crime scene each day would affect their kids.

Surely the reassurance is backed with some knowledge !!!

Tks for the link, charlie; I read the article... here's something: if you go back and revisit that article, does the sayng "A picture paints 1000 words" strike you when you stop reading and look at the picture? Does to me.

That reassurance *has* to be well-founded. In this day and age - and aside from crime: terror, natural disasters, school shootings ... these recent (horrific) rains in that part of the world, a simply "you have nothing to worry about" is not good enough.

This takes me back to Concerned Citizen's post on another forum: think it may have been discussed here ... where LE are allegedly saying bad things about JY.

Let's re-work that 'nasty' statement.

Maybe the things about JY are bad - and that's not nice to hear? Maybe these 'things' have reached JY and co's ears?

First responsemight be: "Ambush, derail and then attack LE, useless team that they are - JY's NOT a suspect and he'd never do this. I know because I've known him for 10 years, but while you're at it, check the baby's dna for paternity ... bla bla bla ...!"

All week this has bugged me, so FWIW, I'm openly joining 'the other camp' - no holds barred. For Michelle and every other woman that's endured this. If my forum contributions are all I do - then so be it. This trend has got to stop... It's barbaric - no matter who the perp is! A pregant woman? God almighty - no way!
 
Put it this way: if my sister was supposed to be at work and my bil rang me - I'd happily oblige (maybe delighted to be 'IN' on a surprise for her, too). On arrival at sister's house and I saw her car - I'd casually walk in and not be 'put out' other than calling out to the dog to hush-up!

Freedom-of-spirit may have morphed into freezin-of-spirit as Meredith continued to walk through, getting no reply. Baby footprints must have phazed her mind ... a million thoughts may have rushed through her head. If it was me and I saw and followed those tiny foot prints, my first thought would be "Oh God! Cassie's hurt herself ..."

Meredith may have let the dog out - or he/she may have followed Meredith to the main bedroom where the dog's 'freaking-out' drew softer, then to whimpers and turned to the silence we all heard on that tape. SOMEONE had found his beloved owner. The dog was then quiet as Meredith made a call she probably never dreamt in a million years she'd have to make.... Under instruction from 911 and for Cassie - she braced the worst and waited for the voice of sanity to instruct her...

The truth had to be mind-blowing ... and the campaigners who wanted the fax to be a Chirstmas surprise were couple months too early for 'the average man' and then turned the fax to an anniversary surprise - and were a month too late on that one, too ...

jmho...
 
"Within nano-seconds, this poster was there and described the accident in (too) close detail (imo), even talking about as they approached the bend, Michelle leaning over getting something in the back seat, the "split-second" that Jason took his eyes of the wheel, in that the curve in the road ... and a that exact curve Jason lost control ... Basically there was intimate and intricate detail that I would not have expected a 3rd party to be so articulate over: especially as 'that poster' could not possibly have known what the next poster was going to ask/post? I thought the detail was almost a mirror image as in "huh??? you sound as though YOU WERE IN THE CAR WITH THEM!" ... or over polished on specific stories."

Sounds to me that the husband rehearsed the 'accident' over and over again, in his head and probably while on the road itself, knowing the exact point at which to ask Michelle to reach into the back seat for something. He had so thoroughly rehearsed the story he was going to tell LE after her 'death', that it must have been powerfully convincing to his friends considering the fact that she lived to tell about it. He must have shared every little detail of the 'accident' with them, details that were already set in stone weeks before that fateful trip.
 
Hey PSA- didn't want to take up a bunch more space, so I'm not quoting all your posts here but I want to say I am inclined to agree with much (if not all) of what you typed.



When is it in a crime exactly that LE can call someone a "suspect"? I don't understand the fine line between being a person of interest and a suspect?
 
close_enough,


Since we worked hard last night looking at the brown spot, I'll throw out something else. Going back to the plat maps, clicking two properties to the south of the Young property I found that that plat is owned by the Enchanted Oaks Homeowners Association. Going back to the aerial and moving down to that plat, you can see a street going into it and there appear to be tennis courts and facilities for other activities.

This post is a work in progress so I'll be editing in more as I can collect it.

First - here is the plat map for the facility - note there is a goldish tab that says Open Photo along the right side of the map - click on this to see the entrance to the facility - kinda of interesting. Hold on

http://imaps.co.wake.nc.us/imaps/main.htm?msize=525&cmd=ZOOMPIN&pin=0781818454

http://www.wakegov.com/realestatephotos/photos/WAKE0209/0261F900.JPG

Maybe this will work.

Note the plat map will not hold what i pulled up but - on the left of the map note the tools - run your cursor over the arrow tool - it should say "Select parcel tool" click on this then go to the plat map and move south - go two properties south of the one currently in red and click - it will turn red. On the right it will show the owner as the Enchanted Oaks Homeowners - just above this is a button that says "Open Photo" - click and you will see the entrance view - it will strike you how desolate a location that is as well.

Here I have moved the aerial to show the pool and tennis courts - the young house is to the north east of this,

http://terraserver.homeadvisor.msn.com/image.aspx?T=4&S=9&Z=17&X=7079&Y=39533&W=1&qs=5108+Birchleaf+Drive%7cRaleigh%7cNC%7c&Addr=5108+Birchleaf+Dr%2c+Raleigh%2c+NC+27606-9360&ALon=-78.6999990&ALat=35.7051710

In addition to the brown spot - this would be a good place to hide in the middle of the night. more than likely however there is some kind of security such as cameras. I keep going back to the sheriff saying this is not a random crime. I ask myself if someone parked in either of these spots , someone just wanting to rob or murder - why would they pick the house located between two other houses, why not choose a more isolated house as there are several a bit more remote. Things are adding up.
 
gubblegum said:
"Within nano-seconds, this poster was there and described the accident in (too) close detail (imo), even talking about as they approached the bend, Michelle leaning over getting something in the back seat, the "split-second" that Jason took his eyes of the wheel, in that the curve in the road ... and a that exact curve Jason lost control ... Basically there was intimate and intricate detail that I would not have expected a 3rd party to be so articulate over: especially as 'that poster' could not possibly have known what the next poster was going to ask/post? I thought the detail was almost a mirror image as in "huh??? you sound as though YOU WERE IN THE CAR WITH THEM!" ... or over polished on specific stories."

Sounds to me that the husband rehearsed the 'accident' over and over again, in his head and probably while on the road itself, knowing the exact point at which to ask Michelle to reach into the back seat for something. He had so thoroughly rehearsed the story he was going to tell LE after her 'death', that it must have been powerfully convincing to his friends considering the fact that she lived to tell about it. He must have shared every little detail of the 'accident' with them, details that were already set in stone weeks before that fateful trip.

Seems like ... gugglegum (hey, I love your nic - gugglegum, lol! has to be a warm-toasty sentiment behind it, lol!)

Exactly guggle...:(overdoing detail) & everything in this case is overdone, including the vast alibi.

That post I talked about and the response that followed (I checked nics, time, date, substance of ALL posts) ... well this person - who was hearing news indirectly, and was at the funeral, knew Michelle, knows Jason (the ultimate hero, mind you) - instantly responded in second-by-second detail about an accident that happened to friends last May, that I felt I was in the car. Too close for comfort.

Begs a question in my head: rehearsal as you say?? Defense camp?? family?? Pure coincidence by caring friend?? Let's see.
 
Boyz_Mum said:
Hey PSA- didn't want to take up a bunch more space, so I'm not quoting all your posts here but I want to say I am inclined to agree with much (if not all) of what you typed.



When is it in a crime exactly that LE can call someone a "suspect"? I don't understand the fine line between being a person of interest and a suspect?

Gosh, I can't answer that - maybe this 'rush to judgement' thing has stopped LE, DAs, media, family, etc from naming a suspect - as undue attention focuses on that person and they may be wrong?

Perhaps mistrials have been called when evidence comes in exonerating the suspect?

Maybe it's not law - maybe it's being (careful) Politically Correct?

Good call, though! Heck, I spent 6 hours reading every post on every blog! Some posts deleted, some posters zoomed in and out with couple 'telling' statements ... one said "HE LAWYERED UP IMMEDIATELY BUT NOT EVEN HIS HOT SHOT LAWYER IS GOING TO GET HIM OUT OF THIS ONE"

That poster appeared twice & I agreed with subsequent posters ... "THIS ONE" ... ie: he got off the LAST one? The last "what"? Fraud? Lie? Indiscretion? And yes!!! I admit I took that post at face value just as those on the fence are taking a concerned resident's post face-value.

This is just me, goose ... calling the gander good, lol!
 
gubblegum said:
"Within nano-seconds, this poster was there and described the accident in (too) close detail (imo), even talking about as they approached the bend, Michelle leaning over getting something in the back seat, the "split-second" that Jason took his eyes of the wheel, in that the curve in the road ... and a that exact curve Jason lost control ... Basically there was intimate and intricate detail that I would not have expected a 3rd party to be so articulate over: especially as 'that poster' could not possibly have known what the next poster was going to ask/post? I thought the detail was almost a mirror image as in "huh??? you sound as though YOU WERE IN THE CAR WITH THEM!" ... or over polished on specific stories."

Sounds to me that the husband rehearsed the 'accident' over and over again, in his head and probably while on the road itself, knowing the exact point at which to ask Michelle to reach into the back seat for something. He had so thoroughly rehearsed the story he was going to tell LE after her 'death', that it must have been powerfully convincing to his friends considering the fact that she lived to tell about it. He must have shared every little detail of the 'accident' with them, details that were already set in stone weeks before that fateful trip.
the accident doesnt strike me as an attempt on her life, since he was in the car too- it would take a very stupid/brave person to think they could pull of a car accident, and only injure/kill the passenger in the car- now, perhaps he was going to take both of their lives together? then when that didnt happen, the fear of death struck him, and he decided on another "plan" ?
 
Boyz_Mum said:
This is where I have to wonder about how dark it would be though, if the moon was at 91% (as someone looked into earlier in the threads), it would seem to illuminate the area enough to make passage to the house a tad bit easier. I can't say for sure as I don't know what the weather was like that night in NC- just a thought.

What puzzles me also is the comment from Jim or Greta about a "dense forest" behind the house. It just didn't look like a "forest"?
Maybe this photo will help you see the general area. This photo shows the entrance to the Enchanted Oaks Homeowners recreational facility. It is located approximately 150 yards southwest of the young house.

http://www.wakegov.com/realestatephotos/photos/WAKE0209/0261F900.JPG
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Staff online

Members online

Online statistics

Members online
233
Guests online
273
Total visitors
506

Forum statistics

Threads
608,542
Messages
18,240,862
Members
234,392
Latest member
FamilyGal
Back
Top