Michelle Young ~ Pregnant Mother NC Part 3

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Otto, I was responding to Mystery's question of whether or not she was ready for bed, in bed clothes. We don't have any idea where Michelle was when she was FIRST attacked.

Hello, MrsM! W/back.... missed ya in my last session! I was thinking about this - if the crime happened at ... say midnight or shortly thereafter, I'm thinking Michelle may have already been in bed - and if she slept in her PJ's, they may have been pulled off - to stage a scene, so to speak. I'm in the old school category: in winter (or cooler climes) hey: I really need my jammies on, lol, as offensive as that may sound, heh heh... few years back, we had a Girl's Dinner Party and of 11 gals there, after being in the married world for nearly 20 years, only TWO still slept in the Nick...(our term) regardless.

Again, sheer speculation.... Ag! So we don't need the strong evidence of presumed/suspicious killer/s - just some smaller, incidental details. Y'never know - someone here may crack the good ongoing logic, lol!


(PS: was a riot of dinner - the stories, lol! :crazy: )

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Lets say it is more likely that Meredith is driving her Honda rather than Jason.

Hi charlie - thanks - great stuff! Hope you enjoyed the league! Hmmmm: maybe one has been returned because 'one' hasn't gone to talk to LE and/or to collect 'one's' car. Or - they have reason to keep it? :shrug:

Also - as per my earlier comment (2 pages back) That was said Tongue-in-Cheek. Sorry if it sounded ridiculous or ... really, really dumb, lol.

 

[raisincharlie]

Scandi, I hope you and others don't think I'm the poster on ctv that's throwing around the baby gate stuff as fact. I read there which is known but never post there. This is what I think happened; I brought it up here last night, the poster on ctv read it and tossed it out as fact. If you look at the way that poster started the subject it makes sense. Out of nowhere they state "at least the killer was nice enough to close the baby gate" and from there you see everyone asking where that info came from, links etc.

I think my original post here about it is on the end of the part 2 thread. I did make it clear it was supposition not fact. A logical deduction by me simply drawn from life experiences and what info is available on the case so far. I'm not gonna post over there either and whether there was or wasn't a baby gate it won't solve the crime.

Strach,

I took a quick run over to the CTV board just out of being nosey since it was brought up here. I don't think I'd be too worried about it. I noted they are still arguing about warrants and such. I quess I don't understand why some can't seem to comprehend what the Sheriff said in his interview with Greta, he quite clearly says there have been no warrants to get other fingerprints, those people stepped up and gave what was necessary. I am not going back.

I bring this up because if you look at the bottom of this board it tells you who is here and how many quests are viewing - there are always more quests than members. So someone picked up your idea and dramatically spit it out for effect over on CTV. I reference it this way because your approach is 180 degrees different - no dramatics, just logical thinking and deduction aimed to provoke thought.

 

[terminatrixator]

exactly..they have a body with this one, soooo other than checking the known crime scene, (fingerprints, DNA, fibers & whatnot) they have JY's timeline (cell phone, when he arrived at hotel/business meeting, etc..)

if this one drags on for 4 mos before an arrest is made, i'll be shocked, UNLESS it's a 'random' crime...(which i don't think it is)

It's been almost 19 months with no arrest in Janet Christiansen Abaroa's and her unborn child's murder.

Time is not always on the side of Justice, but no arrest doesn't mean that the person didn't commit the crime.

It's very heartbreaking, day after day waiting for news on a case you are following, when you believe so fully, the way I do, that you know who the murderer is.

I'm praying this case will be solved much sooner.

 

[MrsMush99]

Hello, MrsM! W/back.... missed ya in my last session! I was thinking about this - if the crime happened at ... say midnight or shortly thereafter, I'm thinking Michelle may have already been in bed - and if she slept in her PJ's, they may have been pulled off - to stage a scene, so to speak. I'm in the old school category: in winter (or cooler climes) hey: I really need my jammies on, lol, as offensive as that may sound, heh heh... few years back, we had a Girl's Dinner Party and of 11 gals there, after being in the married world for nearly 20 years, only TWO still slept in the Nick...(our term) regardless.

Again, sheer speculation.... Ag! So we don't need the strong evidence of presumed/suspicious killer/s - just some smaller, incidental details. Y'never know - someone here may crack the good ongoing logic, lol!


(PS: was a riot of dinner - the stories, lol! :crazy: )

Hey Polk! I agree may have already been in bed. I was just saying that we are not sure. The dog could have barked, she got up to investigate, noticed someone who should not have been in the house and ran back to her bedroom to try to call the police. I'm leaning toward that she was in bed only because of the blood found in the bed. But we really don't know until they come out with further details. I'm just trying to look at all possiblities.

 

[terminatrixator]

exactly..they have a body with this one, soooo other than checking the known crime scene, (fingerprints, DNA, fibers & whatnot) they have JY's timeline (cell phone, when he arrived at hotel/business meeting, etc..)

if this one drags on for 4 mos before an arrest is made, i'll be shocked, UNLESS it's a 'random' crime...(which i don't think it is)

If the murderer lived in the same home with the victim, fingerprints, dna & fibers aren't really going to come in handy. Smoking gun, witness, confession, is what LE are looking for. One thing they will be considering, is not so much what was found at the scene, it's what was not found at the scene, fingerprints, dna & fibers.

That would then make the case a CE evidence case, and much harder to prove in a Court of Law.

Crimes such as this so many things come into play. Premedition vs. heat of the moment, First Degree - LWOP - DP - Manslaughter - 2nd degree. There are no slam dunk cases that are based on CE.

Most cases that the perpetrator lived in the same home as the victim end up as CE cases especially with no weapon, no witness and are much harder to try, with or without a body as in the SP Trial.

 

[otto]

Otto, I was responding to Mystery's question of whether or not she was ready for bed, in bed clothes. We don't have any idea where Michelle was when she was FIRST attacked.

You're quite right. She could have been attacked in the kitchen and ended up in the bedroom. I'm basing my ideas on the lack of a blood trail. Meredith comments on bloody footprints everywhere, but not a blood trail but maybe there is blood spills all over the house as well. Given the police interest in the time between midnight and 6 am, it's possible that Michelle was attacked in her bed while she slept. Michelle was pregnant and had to be up in the morning with Cassidy, so it's quite possible she had a regular bedtime of, say, 11. After midnight seems a little late for a working pregnant mom.

 

[raisincharlie]

Hi charlie - thanks - great stuff! Hope you enjoyed the league! Hmmmm: maybe one has been returned because 'one' hasn't gone to talk to LE and/or to collect 'one's' car. Or - they have reason to keep it? :shrug:

Also - as per my earlier comment (2 pages back) That was said Tongue-in-Cheek. Sorry if it sounded ridiculous or ... really, really dumb, lol.

PSA,

All of the above is possible, but I don't know if we can continue to think the vehicle is still there or not. We know when Greta's interview was aired (Was it Wed or Thr ?) but we do not know when it was taped. We do know from news reports that JY was seen at the grave site on Friday which was the day the house was released as well. So I'm not sure about the status of that vehicle now. My friend's data is computer related so that means it is subject to human update - it could be outdated data is what I am getting at. I don't know if that vehicle is still there or not.

 

[otto]

Otto,

Sorry I didn't get this back last night, Monday night is Forza league and I never miss out so I neglected the board. My friend with MHP checked a few things - Meredith Lynn Fisher - 2004 Honda Civic - the Youngs 2000 Lexis and 2004 Mitsubishi. I did not ask for plate numbers because my own thought is that is going too far for a public forum. Apparently all three of these vehicles have at one time been taken in for forensics, two have been returned, one has not been. Lets say it is more likely that Meredith is driving her Honda rather than Jason.

Thank you so much for looking into that.

My next question should be obvious. If Meredith Lynn drives a Honda and she is indeed the Meredith that is Michelle's sister, why haven't any of the "friends of Jason and/or Michelle" on the CTV board cleared that up? They claim to be in the know, but theyr'e not in the know enough to know what cars they drive ... always going along with the statements that Jason is driving "Michelle's Honda". The reason I ask this is not do debate with someone on another board, but to question how seriously we should take these "in the know" posters.

 

[MrsMush99]

You're quite right. She could have been attacked in the kitchen and ended up in the bedroom. I'm basing my ideas on the lack of a blood trail. Meredith comments on bloody footprints everywhere, but not a blood trail but maybe there is blood spills all over the house as well. Given the police interest in the time between midnight and 6 am, it's possible that Michelle was attacked in her bed while she slept. Michelle was pregnant and had to be up in the morning with Cassidy, so it's quite possible she had a regular bedtime of, say, 11. After midnight seems a little late for a working pregnant mom.

I agree. I just wish we knew more information. I feel like we're all going over the same things. My guess is she probably was in bed. But like I stated before we don't know if the dog barked and she got up to investigate. OR thought the dog wanted to go out and got up to take the dog out when she encountered her killer. So many possiblities.

 

[otto]

I agree. I just wish we knew more information. I feel like we're all going over the same things. My guess is she probably was in bed. But like I stated before we don't know if the dog barked and she got up to investigate. OR thought the dog wanted to go out and got up to take the dog out when she encountered her killer. So many possiblities.

I first thought that she was running to the bedroom (because it is always a safe feeling place) maybe to get to the phone. I agree that she may have heard a noise, thought it was Cassidy, gone downstairs to explore and encountered a stranger. She may have run up to her room ... she wes probably in excellent health even though pregnant ... and may even have gotten to the phone but some stranger was right behind her. Dying on the bed in a pool of blood ... I suppose she could have been attacked in the head somewhere else and instinctively lay down on the bed. I'm guessing those are hard answers to find.

 

[packerdog]

Otto,

Sorry I didn't get this back last night, Monday night is Forza league and I never miss out so I neglected the board. My friend with MHP checked a few things - Meredith Lynn Fisher - 2004 Honda Civic - the Youngs 2000 Lexis and 2004 Mitsubishi. I did not ask for plate numbers because my own thought is that is going too far for a public forum. Apparently all three of these vehicles have at one time been taken in for forensics, two have been returned, one has not been. Lets say it is more likely that Meredith is driving her Honda rather than Jason.

Thanks for the info charlie. I have tons of things to do before Thanksgiving, but I have to keep up here, Thanks for your contributions.

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Thank you so much for looking into that.

My next question should be obvious. If Meredith Lynn drives a Honda and she is indeed the Meredith that is Michelle's sister, why haven't any of the "friends of Jason and/or Michelle" on the CTV board cleared that up? They claim to be in the know, but theyr'e not in the know enough to know what cars they drive ... always going along with the statements that Jason is driving "Michelle's Honda". The reason I ask this is not do debate with someone on another board, but to question how seriously we should take these "in the know" posters.

What a good point you raise to back up that question, otto!

 

[raisincharlie]

Thank you so much for looking into that.

My next question should be obvious. If Meredith Lynn drives a Honda and she is indeed the Meredith that is Michelle's sister, why haven't any of the "friends of Jason and/or Michelle" on the CTV board cleared that up? They claim to be in the know, but theyr'e not in the know enough to know what cars they drive ... always going along with the statements that Jason is driving "Michelle's Honda". The reason I ask this is not do debate with someone on another board, but to question how seriously we should take these "in the know" posters.

That I think is a tough one Otto. I think you have a couple of things there, you have some that truly are in the circle relating to this case but receive infor second and third hand and then you have those that impose themselves into that circle without actually having anything to do with it. One thing I have noticed about this is that board members will wait on bated breath for these posters to say something - people not really involved relish this self made importance.

One thing that can be done is there is a function where you can review a specified member's posts. This would allow you to evaluate that poster's consistency as well as their response to compliments and argument. then compare to what is actually known. Not a sure fire way to determine how much stock to put into belief but better than nothing.

To give an example - there is the one poster CC who has said that Michelle had a Drs appointment that Friday morning and supposedly that is why Jason didn't worry about his phone calls going to voicemail. Okay:

-In the 911 tape Meredith clearly says that Michelle was suppose to be at work. I generally tend to think that a stressed person is more inclined to talk about what they know rther than take time to invent - may be a bad assumption on my part but it is what it is.

This begs several questions. We know Jason called Meredith to go get a fax from his home. This poster claims it was about a gift for Michelle. My pea brain is thinking, why wouldn't he tell her it would be time sensitive because Michelle would be at a Drs appointment and could be back. IMO JY did not tell Meredith about a Drs appointment because under stress Meredith says on the tape that it was a fluke for her to be there and Michelle was supposed to be at work. Don't get me wrong - I could be way off, completely wrong, but IMO there was no Drs appointment.

This same poster claims JY called MY twice and got her voice mail but was not concerned because she had a DRs appointment that day. No mention of a landline call to the house. So in my mind someone is incorrect - either the information the poster received is incorrect, a bit twisted, or the source of the information (supposedly JY himself) dropped some misinformation. I say this because under stress Meredith can recall the fax, but she doesn't mention the Dr - she talks only of MY was suppose to be at work. IMO it doesn't add up...

 

[otto]

That I think is a tough one Otto. I think you have a couple of things there, you have some that truly are in the circle relating to this case but receive infor second and third hand and then you have those that impose themselves into that circle without actually having anything to do with it. One thing I have noticed about this is that board members will wait on bated breath for these posters to say something - people not really involved relish this self made importance.

One thing that can be done is there is a function where you can review a specified member's posts. This would allow you to evaluate that poster's consistency as well as their response to compliments and argument. then compare to what is actually known. Not a sure fire way to determine how much stock to put into belief but better than nothing.

To give an example - there is the one poster CC who has said that Michelle had a Drs appointment that Friday morning and supposedly that is why Jason didn't worry about his phone calls going to voicemail. Okay:

-In the 911 tape Meredith clearly says that Michelle was suppose to be at work. I generally tend to think that a stressed person is more inclined to talk about what they know rther than take time to invent - may be a bad assumption on my part but it is what it is.

This begs several questions. We know Jason called Meredith to go get a fax from his home. This poster claims it was about a gift for Michelle. My pea brain is thinking, why wouldn't he tell her it would be time sensitive because Michelle would be at a Drs appointment and could be back. IMO JY did not tell Meredith about a Drs appointment because under stress Meredith says on the tape that it was a fluke for her to be there and Michelle was supposed to be at work. Don't get me wrong - I could be way off, completely wrong, but IMO there was no Drs appointment.

This same poster claims JY called MY twice and got her voice mail but was not concerned because she had a DRs appointment that day. No mention of a landline call to the house. So in my mind someone is incorrect - either the information the poster received is incorrect, a bit twisted, or the source of the information (supposedly JY himself) dropped some misinformation. I say this because under stress Meredith can recall the fax, but she doesn't mention the Dr - she talks only of MY was suppose to be at work. IMO it doesn't add up...

All good points. There always seems to be one or two people that enjoy the importance of being "in the know" without really knowing any more than what is in the papers. Maybe some people at the funeral overheard bits and pieces of conversation that were later expanded into facts and posted on the internet. The entire "doctor appointment"/"at work"/"Friday off" stuff leaves big question.

Jason claims Michelle was at work, Meredith claims she believed Michelle was at work and yet we have this read on forums that there was a doctor's appointment ... maybe someone is mixing up the Peterson case with Michelle.

 

[PrayersForMaura]

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/l...inews-headlines

"News reports have stated that Jason Young called his wife's sister, Meridith Fisher, on the morning of Nov. 3, asking that she drop by the house to pick up a fax he didn't want his wife to see. She entered the home and found her sister's lifeless body on her bed.
During the 911 call, Meridith Fisher frantically states that the house doesn't look as it usually does, and that Cassidy's tiny footprints, marked with her mother's blood, are all around the house."


I wonder what the layout of the house is. The story makes it sound like Meredith entered the house and immediately saw her sister's lifeless body on the bed.

Where was the fax in relevance to the bedroom?
Is it a one-story house?
Did the sister grab the fax (or whatever it was) and then proceed to walk around the house?

I wish we knew more about the scene and the layout of the house.

 

[raisincharlie]

All good points. There always seems to be one or two people that enjoy the importance of being "in the know" without really knowing any more than what is in the papers. Maybe some people at the funeral overheard bits and pieces of conversation that were later expanded into facts and posted on the internet. The entire "doctor appointment"/"at work"/"Friday off" stuff leaves big question.

Jason claims Michelle was at work, Meredith claims she believed Michelle was at work and yet we have this read on forums that there was a doctor's appointment ... maybe someone is mixing up the Peterson case with Michelle.

Add in that one reporter, Lamb, and for the life of me I can't remember her first name, claims that Michelle worked flex time and often took Fridays off - if correct, it adds a whole new dimension to the above. I can understand that Meredith would not know Michelle's day to day schedule in intricate detail but I have a bit of trouble thinking Jason didn't know that schedule... JMO.

 

[ISPTRAX]

Somewhere way back somewhere a pic of the house was posted. Huge house that looks to me as if all the bedrooms would be upstairs. But that's just MO.

 

[close_enough]

Otto,

Sorry I didn't get this back last night, Monday night is Forza league and I never miss out so I neglected the board. My friend with MHP checked a few things - Meredith Lynn Fisher - 2004 Honda Civic - the Youngs 2000 Lexis and 2004 Mitsubishi. I did not ask for plate numbers because my own thought is that is going too far for a public forum. Apparently all three of these vehicles have at one time been taken in for forensics, two have been returned, one has not been. Lets say it is more likely that Meredith is driving her Honda rather than Jason.

good deal....good to have this squared away...it's safe to say JY is not driving a Honda that was Michelle's....

 

[raisincharlie]

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/l...inews-headlines

"News reports have stated that Jason Young called his wife's sister, Meridith Fisher, on the morning of Nov. 3, asking that she drop by the house to pick up a fax he didn't want his wife to see. She entered the home and found her sister's lifeless body on her bed.
During the 911 call, Meridith Fisher frantically states that the house doesn't look as it usually does, and that Cassidy's tiny footprints, marked with her mother's blood, are all around the house."


I wonder what the layout of the house is. The story makes it sound like Meredith entered the house and immediately saw her sister's lifeless body on the bed.

Where was the fax in relevance to the bedroom?
Is it a one-story house?
Did the sister grab the fax (or whatever it was) and then proceed to walk around the house?

I wish we knew more about the scene and the layout of the house.

If you go to this link:

http://msweb01.co.wake.nc.us/realestate/Photo.asp?id=0156150&stype=owner&owner=young%2C+jason&spg=1&cd=01&loc=5108++BIRCHLEAF+DR&des=LO34+ENCHANTED+OAKS+SC2+86%2D1150+PH1&pin=0781818454

Note there are some blue tabs - click on buildings - scroll down a bit and you will find the layout of the house. Hope that helps !