Missouri - The Springfield Three--missing since June 1992 - #15

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Separating the wheat from the chaff, I find it curious that sexual assault would lead to triple murder and abduction on graduation night. Could it happen? I suppose. IMO, a rapist would try and flee as soon as he heard someone else come in, especially if two voices were heard.

Personally, I'm on the fence of this being planned or an accident occurring with the Kirby's. While I don't rule out anything, one must ask themselves who has the most to lose. I will not believe Sherrill was involved with anything illegal unless I'm shown proof. Sherill and Suzie have had enough said about them while Stacy was "The wrong place wrong time" victim. Someone knows something. It's time to put the "squeeze" on them. To make them feel very uncomfortable that

Leaving out Stacy is ignoring a 1/3 of the victims. That includes everyone she knew and hung out with. Assuming her life isn't relevant is naive. Suzie and Sherrill were probably home many times alone. Why graduation night? Why when a friend was there? Sherrill was more likely in the wrong place at the wrong time. That doesn't mean any of the women are to blame.
I think agree if two girls walked in on a rapist, that rapist would flee. If he could get away. He would be at the disadvantage.
If people know things, or lied about thing they thought were trivial in 1992 unless they are sociopaths they can't hold in the guilt forever.
 
Neal Falls, Man Killed By Escort, Had Cache Of Weapons And List Of Prostitutes, Police Say | HuffPost

I have been following this case for quite a while, though I rarely post here. Since a lot of theories have been put forth, I wanted to share some of my theory on what MAY have happened. Before I start, I will add that I am now retired, but I did work in the criminal justice field for 37 years (police officer, Probation officer, parole officer and pretrial services). However, I have never seen a case quite like this one.

After reading all I could find on the case and watching all the videos, podcasts and documentaries, I believe that the women were abducted and subsequently killed by a serial killer who set out that night looking for a victim or victims. He was prepared to abduct and may have had the tools with him to do the job-something like Neal Falls had with him (see the link above). He may or may not have known one, two or all three of the women. While searching for potential victims, he may have seen seen Suzie and/or Stacy as they drove to Suzie's home after leaving the party. He also may have been someone who knew one of the women and was stalking them in particular that night. He also may have known one or more of the women and they may not have known him. I think he simply followed them at a distance where they didn't detect him. After they got inside the home, he may have used a ruse (gas company official, police officer impersonator, etc) of some sort to get them to open the door or he may have simply knocked on the door and they responded by opening the door enough for them to see out and he forced it open once they did. Once inside, he could have brandished a firearm and ordered them to lay down on the floor and once they did, he either handcuffed or tied them with a rope and individually loaded them in his vehicle. Somewhere in the process of loading them, the front porch cover was broken. He may or may not have had an accomplice. Some have asked how he could have controlled three women even with a gun. It would depend on how intimidating and convincing he was. Plus, you never know how you will react when a gun is pulled on you until it happens. I know this from personal experience. They may have been too scared to resist. If he had a sedan, he may have simply loaded them into the trunk of the car. Or if he had a van, he could have tied them to the seat or if he had an accomplice, he could have put them in the floor and sat on them where they would not have been visible if another vehicle pulled up beside them.

I believe the motive for all of this was sexual assault and a serial killer. He was looking for women to rape and to kill. They were driven to a different location where the assault and probably the murder occurred. The bodies were disposed of in a place where they wouldn't be found. The perp or perps didn't want to take a chance on the women identifying them so they were killed. Again, I think the killer had planned to do all of this. I am uncertain if the three victims were his target or if he was just on the prowl for a victim and he saw them as they drove toward Delmarr.

@ Missouri Mule: I believe there is a good chance of your theory of a Florida connection is correct.

Again, all of this is just my opinion. Feel free to agree or disagree. I always welcome constructive criticism.
 
What is empirical evidence. Asher said so - isn't evidence. He was taken of the case in 1993 and left SPD in 1995.
The evidence isn't that multiple cops stated the girls arrived at the house. It's the "why" they stated it (they have evidence from detectives who combed the house)

I'm done arguing it. If you want to prove they didn't make it. Do so. Don't just say it. Back it up. I deal in facts, not suppositions.
 
The evidence isn't that multiple cops stated the girls arrived at the house. It's the "why" they stated it (they have believe from detectives who combed the house)

I'm done arguing it. If you want to prove they didn't make it. Do so. Don't just say it. Back it up.
I'm skeptical about believing the detectives who combed a contaminated crime scene.
 
That would seem logical. But if this mysterious “plan” was deviated from it would argue the perps were not well disciplined. If that is true why haven’t any rolled?
First of all I never said anything about a plan. That's why the word "random" was used. As far as anyone rolling, blood is thicker than water & PA's don't make deals with convicted rapists.
 
Who are you referring to? Many criminals have crimes that were not caught by LE while having others where they were caught.

Just what type of person do you believe could pull this off?



I believe people who had planned for this pulled it off. Not somebody out for a sexual thrill that night and then managed to pull off the unthinkable.


All this rubbish of Suzie should not of home that night is just that rubbish. She was lead home after 2 plans fell though on graduation night which is highly coincidental when that same night she ends up dead.


MOO
 
If this was a sexual assault gone bad then why no sign of a sexual assault in the house?


All the 3 people in the frame are in jail because they sucked at what they did so I don’t believe for one moment any of these were capable of kidnapping 3 women and didn’t leave a ton of evidence behind.
How do you know there wasn't any evidence of sexual assault? Every LE agency that has looked into this crime has agreed on the motive.

As far as the perps being in jail, just shows how little you know. They are not in jail.
 
First of all I never said anything about a plan. That's why the word "random" was used. As far as anyone rolling, blood is thicker than water & PA's don't make deals with convicted rapists.
I agree with you.

I think Mule may be talking about about my take on it being planned. I believe it was. I believe in the sightings of the person casing the house in the weeks leading up.

I disagree about sexual assault. I'm sure it happened given the individuals involved, but I do not think it was the original motive. This was a kidnapping plot because Suzie was talking to cops and trial was coming up. No doubt in my mind that was the impetus.
 
The evidence isn't that multiple cops stated the girls arrived at the house. It's the "why" they stated it (they have evidence from detectives who combed the house)

I'm done arguing it. If you want to prove they didn't make it. Do so. Don't just say it. Back it up. I deal in facts, not suppositions.
The only clear fact about that night is that three women disappeared. They are still missing and things assumed in 1992 might be incorrect. You want to deal in facts and answers that are clean and neat and make sense, stick with math or science. Humans are messy and flawed and we all get things wrong. That includes LE and everyone on this thread and after almost 28 years it's time to entertain new ideas. People don't behave in predictable ways.
 
How do you know there wasn't any evidence of sexual assault? Every LE agency that has looked into this crime has agreed on the motive.

As far as the perps being in jail, just shows how little you know. They are not in jail.



The main 3 we discuss are in jail am I wrong?


The case is unsolved so no theory is ruled out and Janelle certainly didn’t see any sign of a sexual assault did she ?

And considering you talk in riddles I will take everything you say with a pinch of salt.


The entire thread is still waiting on you to reveal what you know about Florida but no doubt you won’t say anything as you never do. It’s all innuendo with your posts.
 
Separating the wheat from the chaff, I find it curious that sexual assault would lead to triple murder and abduction on graduation night. Could it happen? I suppose. IMO, a rapist would try and flee as soon as he heard someone else come in, especially if two voices were heard.

Personally, I'm on the fence of this being planned or an accident occurring with the Kirby's. While I don't rule out anything, one must ask themselves who has the most to lose. I will not believe Sherrill was involved with anything illegal unless I'm shown proof. Sherill and Suzie have had enough said about them while Stacy was "The wrong place wrong time" victim. Someone knows something. It's time to put the "squeeze" on them. To make them feel very uncomfortable that
Maybe you can't flee if you're stuck down the hallway in the bedroom when the girls came home. Maybe you hide in the closet causing shoes & clothing to be strewed around the floor & room. Graduation night had nothing to do with it.

Partner parked out on Kentwood. He wont cut & run. When you end up with 3 it becomes necessary to remove them to protect your identity. They were likely taken to crime scene #2 to share the spoils. That's when things got out of hand & someone got in over their head not knowing what was going to happen.
 
Separating the wheat from the chaff, I find it curious that sexual assault would lead to triple murder and abduction on graduation night. Could it happen? I suppose. IMO, a rapist would try and flee as soon as he heard someone else come in, especially if two voices were heard.

Personally, I'm on the fence of this being planned or an accident occurring with the Kirby's. While I don't rule out anything, one must ask themselves who has the most to lose. I will not believe Sherrill was involved with anything illegal unless I'm shown proof. Sherill and Suzie have had enough said about them while Stacy was "The wrong place wrong time" victim. Someone knows something. It's time to put the "squeeze" on them. To make them feel very uncomfortable that
Maybe you can't flee if you're stuck down the hallway in the bedroom when the girls came home. Maybe you hide in the closet causing shoes & clothing to be strewed around the floor & room. Graduation night had nothing to do with it.

Partner parked out on Kentwood. He wont cut & run. When you end up with 3 it becomes necessary to remove them to protect your identity. They were likely taken to crime scene #2 to share the spoils. That's when things got out of hand & someone got in over their head not knowing what was going to happen.
 
So the criminals had the foresight and time to cut Stacy's fingers off and press it around the house haphazardly and also possibly her blood too?
Where did you get that information?
Maybe you can't flee if you're stuck down the hallway in the bedroom when the girls came home. Maybe you hide in the closet causing shoes & clothing to be strewed around the floor & room. Graduation night had nothing to do with it.

Partner parked out on Kentwood. He wont cut & run. When you end up with 3 it becomes necessary to remove them to protect your identity. They were likely taken to crime scene #2 to share the spoils. That's when things got out of hand & someone got in over their head not knowing what was going to happen.
Are you stating this as fact or assumption? If it's fact please show your references.
 
I agree with you.

I think Mule may be talking about about my take on it being planned. I believe it was. I believe in the sightings of the person casing the house in the weeks leading up.

I disagree about sexual assault. I'm sure it happened given the individuals involved, but I do not think it was the original motive. This was a kidnapping plot because Suzie was talking to cops and trial was coming up. No doubt in my mind that was the impetus.
The driver of the white van was not casing the house. Check the actual living locations of your suspects; where they were actually staying at nights. The driver of the van is known. He regularly drove back & forth from Kentwood to Delmar, to Glenstone to avoid the traffic light at Grant & Glenstone.
 
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