Missouri - The Springfield Three--missing since June 1992 - #15

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In addition you might also ask Richard. He didn't know that I interviewed but he does know that it leaked back out that I had missed something, or I had one thing I hadn't found; something to that effect. I can look that up if need be.

I was also asked not to speak to certain things & I have not done that.

True. I knew nothing about any meeting you had. That’s good that you provided that information.

I’m not certain about any “leakage” though, That is all new to me. I may be getting forgetful in my old age.
 
That was Ron Worsham who was at the time the Assistant Police Chief. He left to become the Sheriff in neighboring Webster County.

I’m sure that he was making a poor attempt at humor.
Couldn't think of his name! Saw that one morning in the Tulsa or Joplin paper and thought, "That's really not a look SPD should want the world to see."
 
I have decided to come back and would like to say that there's only one person who could have pulled this off. You know who I'm talking about if you have common sense. This thread needs us senior members to come back with proper info.

I’d certainly like to know who that would be. Carnahan, perhaps?

I’m still clueless about the motive.
 
After 5000 tips , I don’t think they meant bring in a case book and drop it . More like I “saw a green van on Delmar type tip “

It’s not a criticism , I was just curious if you were retired Miami “ Hurricane “ PD . As you know with all the nutty “ witnesses” coming out of the woodwork , why you weren’t turned around at the front door .
If you need to go in just act professional & curtious & they will treat you with the same. Make an appointment.
 
I have decided to come back and would like to say that there's only one person who could have pulled this off. You know who I'm talking about if you have common sense. This thread needs us senior members to come back with proper info.
I agree on the senior members thing. Now, who is this "only person"?
 
Neal Falls, Man Killed By Escort, Had Cache Of Weapons And List Of Prostitutes, Police Say | HuffPost

I have been following this case for quite a while, though I rarely post here. Since a lot of theories have been put forth, I wanted to share some of my theory on what MAY have happened. Before I start, I will add that I am now retired, but I did work in the criminal justice field for 37 years (police officer, Probation officer, parole officer and pretrial services). However, I have never seen a case quite like this one.

After reading all I could find on the case and watching all the videos, podcasts and documentaries, I believe that the women were abducted and subsequently killed by a serial killer who set out that night looking for a victim or victims. He was prepared to abduct and may have had the tools with him to do the job-something like Neal Falls had with him (see the link above). He may or may not have known one, two or all three of the women. While searching for potential victims, he may have seen seen Suzie and/or Stacy as they drove to Suzie's home after leaving the party. He also may have been someone who knew one of the women and was stalking them in particular that night. He also may have known one or more of the women and they may not have known him. I think he simply followed them at a distance where they didn't detect him. After they got inside the home, he may have used a ruse (gas company official, police officer impersonator, etc) of some sort to get them to open the door or he may have simply knocked on the door and they responded by opening the door enough for them to see out and he forced it open once they did. Once inside, he could have brandished a firearm and ordered them to lay down on the floor and once they did, he either handcuffed or tied them with a rope and individually loaded them in his vehicle. Somewhere in the process of loading them, the front porch cover was broken. He may or may not have had an accomplice. Some have asked how he could have controlled three women even with a gun. It would depend on how intimidating and convincing he was. Plus, you never know how you will react when a gun is pulled on you until it happens. I know this from personal experience. They may have been too scared to resist. If he had a sedan, he may have simply loaded them into the trunk of the car. Or if he had a van, he could have tied them to the seat or if he had an accomplice, he could have put them in the floor and sat on them where they would not have been visible if another vehicle pulled up beside them.

I believe the motive for all of this was sexual assault and a serial killer. He was looking for women to rape and to kill. They were driven to a different location where the assault and probably the murder occurred. The bodies were disposed of in a place where they wouldn't be found. The perp or perps didn't want to take a chance on the women identifying them so they were killed. Again, I think the killer had planned to do all of this. I am uncertain if the three victims were his target or if he was just on the prowl for a victim and he saw them as they drove toward Delmarr.

@ Missouri Mule: I believe there is a good chance of your theory of a Florida connection is correct.

Again, all of this is just my opinion. Feel free to agree or disagree. I always welcome constructive criticism.

I would just like to say that this was one of the most thoughtful and interesting posts I have ever read here. Although I was never in the LE field, I did work in the investigative field for the State of Missouri.

I was from the Springfield area having lived there for 26 years. Oddly enough, I was far away on vacation when this happened. Although I first read of the case in USA Today, I thought at the time that while it was interesting it never occurred to me that it wouldn’t be solved. When I returned I heard all about it. As it turned out there was a used book store next to where I worked. I inhaled about 40 books on true crime and the common denominator was that almost all cases of any size were usually “solved” fairly soon. I could not understand why this one was not. We had a city of 250,000 virtually consumed with this case.

In any event I want to thank you for your post and it will guide my thinking. Thank you!!
 
I would just like to say that this was one of the most thoughtful and interesting posts I have ever read here. Although I was never in the LE field, I did work in the investigative field for the State of Missouri.

I was from the Springfield area having lived there for 26 years. Oddly enough, I was far away on vacation when this happened. Although I first read of the case in USA Today, I thought at the time that while it was interesting it never occurred to me that it wouldn’t be solved. When I returned I heard all about it. As it turned out there was a used book store next to where I worked. I inhaled about 40 books on true crime and the common denominator was that almost all cases of any size were usually “solved” fairly soon. I could not understand why this one was not. We had a city of 250,000 virtually consumed with this case.

In any event I want to thank you for your post and it will guide my thinking. Thank you!!
You beat me to it . @TedMac I too thank you for your insight .
 
True. I knew nothing about any meeting you had. That’s good that you provided that information.

I’m not certain about any “leakage” though, That is all new to me. I may be getting forgetful in my old age.
With your permission I will copy & paste what you sent me about what was being said about my information. There are at least two messages in the topic. Now that you know about the interview it might shed some light for you on the provider of the info to you. Only Trooogrit or someone on the inside could have known what was discussed.

I have about an hr left tonight. After that my reply will have to wait until morning.
 
With your permission I will copy & paste what you sent me about what was being said about my information. There are at least two messages in the topic. Now that you know about the interview it might shed some light for you on the provider of the info to you. Only Trooogrit or someone on the inside could have known what was discussed.

I have about an hr left tonight. After that my reply will have to wait until morning.

By all means I would like to see what it says.
 
By all means I would like to see what it says.
Here are two I found on my first pass. I have cropped only to stay on target at hand. As I said only Trooogrit or someone inside would know the full presentation. I have never shared it publicly. I have a good idea how info got to you but this may get you to rethink some things. I fielded questions about what it was I was missing from someone else as well.

7/18/2014
What I wanted to convey is something that I have gotten from five other people and you make of it as you will. I don't know what it is.

The assertion is that while you have done the work and have the best scenario (essentially said by all), was that you are "missing something." I have no idea what that might mean. Perhaps this is deliberate on your part. You don't need to confirm nor deny. I just wanted you to have that information.
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1/26/2017

Hurricane was mentioned but he like two others who have studied the case said that while Hurricane had worked the case hard he had missed something vital.
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Ring any bells on your sources?
 
I, too, have asked that question.

The timeline from the NL has Stacy at the Joy party until around 11:30, and supposedly went straight to the Elder party. I suppose Janelle is the only one available now that can verify when and where Suzie and Stacy were at any given time.

From where did Stacy call her mom? Did the girls go back to Janelle's house and then to the Elder party? Did they stop somewhere along the way to the Elder party (say a convenience store?) and she called her mom from there?
If she called her mother, perhaps that's why someone erased the phone messages. That phone message either by the conversation or the background noise, may have revealed something that someone else did not want shared. The girl's actual location perhaps? Is it possible that they never really left the location that were calling from? You are also right about the questionable timeline.
 
@Nixaeagle That brings my next question. Could LE confirm Sherill was on the phone at 11:15 or was this just by word of the friend? This I believe, but I do not believe anyone called when JK was at the house the next day.
 
@Nixaeagle That brings my next question. Could LE confirm Sherill was on the phone at 11:15 or was this just by word of the friend? This I believe, but I do not believe anyone called when JK was at the house the next day.
AFAIK a former member here confirmed his wife was on the call with Sherrill .
No caller ID , I had the same style answering machine . Delete - no data could be recovered .
 
Oh, I believe that call with Sherrill!

I do not believe a man called when Janelle was there. That's what I wondered if LE could confirm.
My question is could they confirm if calls were made to or from the house at different times that night/morning. I know in 1996 or 97 people could call their phone company to find your number if you blocked it for a prank call. Wouldn't a phone company be able to confirm or say when calls were made? Am I totally wrong?
 
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