MN MN - Amy Pagnac, 13, Osseo, 5 Aug 1989

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Was the gasoline station out of the way? Not really. Highway 610 did not exist back then; the most logical way to get from the farm to the house was Highway 65 south to I-694, across the river, and then backtrack north on County 81. The gas station was only two blocks away from that route. Much speculation has been made about the "I had to use the restroom 5 minutes from home" story, but if he was running low on gas I can see why he might want to top off the tank, and use the restroom while he was there. Then he doesn't have to deal with it the next time he leaves, and there's something psychologically reassuring about having a full tank of gas in your car.

Were there rest areas along the route? There's lot of commercial places to stop along Highway 65 but no "rest areas" where you'd use the restroom, stretch your legs, and have a picnic. That he didn't want to stop until he was almost home and needed the restroom then isn't implausible.

Why wasn't she found wondering around? At the time the area was much more undeveloped and Osseo is very small. A couple of blocks either direction and you're in cornfields. That she could have wandered off unseen isn't implausable, but why wasn't her remains found at harvest time or sometime since. Most of the land has been developed?
 
News of Jacob Wetterling's recovery compelled me to "bump" Amy's thread. Any news? Developments?
 
MNSuz said:
News of Jacob Wetterling's recovery compelled me to "bump" Amy's thread. Any news? Developments?
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I keep checking and hoping too. I was a child when she went missing and didn't learn of her disappearance until the search of her parents properties back a couple years ago...
I think with Wetterling found the focus needs to be on Amy... I feel like her case isn't looked at hard enough and has never really been properly kept in the forefront like other unsolved missing persons cases, yet I believe her case if given the proper attention such as other cases it would be solved . I believe the answers lie so close to home. Her case seems forgotten but some of us keep hope that this case will be solved.
Sadly I don't believe she ever made it to the holiday in Osseo. I truly hope and pray she's alive somewhere however in my heart I believe otherwise.
Sorry I am not a sugar coating kind of gal, I believe in being honest and in all honesty I think the answer is held by one man and he knows the truth.

The wetterling and jonbenet cases where/are just as cold yet the last 20-30 years those names remain highly publicized and continue to have people interested in the cases... Amy's case is just as mysterious and odd as those two are yet no one knows her name.
 
I don't believe she ever really had a medical issue... Issues that they claim she had are often documented heavily by medical professionals and school officials, and neither of those two have ever spoken on the behalf of her family to substantiate the medical issue claim. Matter of fact I have read else where in the past that Amy's teachers believed she was a good student.
This case rattles me on the fact that I have members of my family that have these medical issues that they claim she had and I also personally have a child with behavioral issues ( documented since she was 5 years old), there is no reason in this world that this case has remained as cold as it has been. Like many other cold cases the handling at the very beginning was botched( why would they send Marshall home and not take a statement from the location where she was last reported to be at? Where the clerks at Holiday interviewed immediately (I'm assuming not since they met Marshall at his residence), as a clerk at a gas station (Holiday to be exact) I can tell you our eyes are constantly surveying the drive, and the parking lots however if your where to ask me an hour after a vehicle left if there was other occupants in a certain vehicle I probably couldn't tell you one way or the other since the volume of vehicles can be somewhat high ( up to 100 in an hour) , had she been in that car at any point and if investigators asked within 5- 30 minutes from the time the officers received the call, it probably would of resulted in a confirmation of if she was or was not in the car. Vehicles that tend to sit anywhere on the lot for more than 10-15 is definitely something that a clerk would take note of. From my understanding there has never been a confirmed sighting of her at that Holiday.
What's more disturbing is the fact that they believed she just walked off and picked up by someone looking for someone they can turn into a sex worker, why would they believe that knowing Osseo is as small town as it gets ( that and no suspicious vehicles had been reported and no reports from citizens of suspicious activity or persons).

So where is Amy
Why is her case not as publicized as others, her case is no different in importance as say wetterlings.
She was a child who went missing under extremely odd circumstances, the last person to see her alive also painted her as a problem child, the last person to see her alive also has somewhat of an alibi with a crap load of holes in it, she is to this day missing with what seems like no real leads, I believe that the man she was last with was really not her biological parent ( I've read step father and/or
Adoptive father) most cases such as hers seem to always be a male that is close to the missing person.
 
BeautifulRecluse said:
I keep checking and hoping too. I was a child when she went missing and didn't learn of her disappearance until the search of her parents properties back a couple years ago...
I think with Wetterling found the focus needs to be on Amy... I feel like her case isn't looked at hard enough and has never really been properly kept in the forefront like other unsolved missing persons cases, yet I believe her case if given the proper attention such as other cases it would be solved . I believe the answers lie so close to home. Her case seems forgotten but some of us keep hope that this case will be solved.
Sadly I don't believe she ever made it to the holiday in Osseo. I truly hope and pray she's alive somewhere however in my heart I believe otherwise.
Sorry I am not a sugar coating kind of gal, I believe in being honest and in all honesty I think the answer is held by one man and he knows the truth.

The wetterling and jonbenet cases where/are just as cold yet the last 20-30 years those names remain highly publicized and continue to have people interested in the cases... Amy's case is just as mysterious and odd as those two are yet no one knows her name.
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"Amy's case is just as mysterious and odd as those two are yet no one knows her name."

I was at the GINA 911 Squeaky Wheel Tour a couple years back, and Amy's parents were there. Patty Wetterling showed up and Amy's mom went to open the door for Patty. A reporter slammed into her and nearly knocked her over trying to get a microphone into Patty's face. A while later at that same event, Amy's mom tried to talk to one of the reporters, and that reporter said "I know who you are. Your daughter has had enough press."

Her father did a beautiful job reading her flyer at the memorial, and managed to not cry until the end.

It is so sad that they have struggled for so long to find their daughter, and gotten nowhere yet. But they still have hope, and keep going. It's pretty amazing.
It's Amy's turn. Her family needs answers, and she deserves to be found.
 
I don't think any reputable medical professional or school official would give out private information about a crime victim. That doesn't seem like it would be very ethical. As for the teachers believing she was a good student, that is the impression I get from her parents as well. And having a medical condition does not preclude a child from being a good student.

As for why would they believe that she was taken by people who might exploit her, that probably comes from the report of the private detective who thought he might have seen a girl that looked like Amy in a club, and other tips that came in, which could indicate that she was being moved around the country. It seems like a reasonable guess to draw from those tips.

I've never heard either of her parents describe her as a "problem child". Others have assumed that, due to the classification of "runaway"...but AFAIK, not her parents. She was bullied at school, and she had headaches and seizures (they have said there was a medical appointment for her to go see a doctor out of town - I assume a specialist, since that's the kind of medical appointment you would travel out of town to go see), but there is a difference between a child having problems, and a child being a "problem child".

Marshall is the only father Amy has ever known. He adopted her when she was little. I'm not sure how that is relevant. After all, if adoptive parents are murderers, then a number of my siblings and cousins would have been murdered as children. It doesn't make any sense to make a big deal about him being the adoptive parent, as if adoptive parents are more likely to hurt children.
 
Where is this report fro the private detective and why was it not followed up? Why did the parents not go and check it out? The Wetterlings moved heaven and earth for their child.
 
I wonder why they did not utilize the Jacob Wetterling center that was established in 1990?
 
They have worked with Missing Children Minnesota, The Jacob Wetterling Foundation (now the Jacob Wetterling Resource Center) the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, and more than one Private Detective. To claim they did not work with the Jacob Wetterling Center is just plain false.
 
You would have to ask the Maple Grove Police where the report is, and you would have to ask them if it was followed up or not. I doubt they would share it with you if you are not sworn LE with an investigative purpose for knowing the information, though. Some parents who have followed up on leads have been threatened with arrest for interfering with an investigation, so that would be a pretty good reason for the parents to not be following up on leads. That is the perfect way to screw up an investigation. Law Enforcement is pretty clear that they do not want anyone who is not LE interviewing witnesses or checking out leads, because "you only get one bite at the apple", as they say. Parents going and personally trying to track down traffickers would definitely qualify.
 
Whisper2112 said:
You would have to ask the Maple Grove Police where the report is, and you would have to ask them if it was followed up or not. I doubt they would share it with you if you are not sworn LE with an investigative purpose for knowing the information, though. Some parents who have followed up on leads have been threatened with arrest for interfering with an investigation, so that would be a pretty good reason for the parents to not be following up on leads. That is the perfect way to screw up an investigation. Law Enforcement is pretty clear that they do not want anyone who is not LE interviewing witnesses or checking out leads, because "you only get one bite at the apple", as they say. Parents going and personally trying to track down traffickers would definitely qualify.
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I also think some people do not know WHAT to do. They trust LE as the authorities/professionals they should be. I think those who love Amy and want her home have done it to the best of their abilities. Not everyone can be like the Wetterlings and that is why the foundation was created.


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Damarna said:
I also think some people do not know WHAT to do. They trust LE as the authorities/professionals they should be. I think those who love Amy and want her home have done it to the best of their abilities. Not everyone can be like the Wetterlings and that is why the foundation was created.


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Exactly Damarna,

I never heard anything about the Wetterlings going and interfereing with the investigation by following up on leads themselves, or interviewing witnesses themselves, and I wouldn't expect ANY family to do that. I know that some families have done that, and I know that their Law Enforcement strenuously objected to it. I also know that at the National Missing and Unidentified Person's Conference, many LE were VERY clear that they wanted the families and the advocates to STAY AWAY from the investigation, and to not communicate with the public unless specifically coached and told what to say and what not to say to the public.

Since giving out sensitive information to the public can tip off the bad guys, and help them evade the investigation, families are often reluctant to share anything unless they have specifically been told it's OK to share, or asked to share it to help out. With all of the conferences and other things that Amy's family members have attended and participated in, they know better than to do anything they have been instructed not to do, and avoid any activities that might interfere with Law Enforcement activities unless specifically asked to do so.
 
Whisper2112 said:
Exactly Damarna,

I never heard anything about the Wetterlings going and interfereing with the investigation by following up on leads themselves, or interviewing witnesses themselves, and I wouldn't expect ANY family to do that. I know that some families have done that, and I know that their Law Enforcement strenuously objected to it. I also know that at the National Missing and Unidentified Person's Conference, many LE were VERY clear that they wanted the families and the advocates to STAY AWAY from the investigation, and to not communicate with the public unless specifically coached and told what to say and what not to say to the public.

Since giving out sensitive information to the public can tip off the bad guys, and help them evade the investigation, families are often reluctant to share anything unless they have specifically been told it's OK to share, or asked to share it to help out. With all of the conferences and other things that Amy's family members have attended and participated in, they know better than to do anything they have been instructed not to do, and avoid any activities that might interfere with Law Enforcement activities unless specifically asked to do so.
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Didn't Patty wear a wire to meet with a suspect? I can't remember. Did she fly down to meet with a guy who said he was Jacob?
 
human said:
Didn't Patty wear a wire to meet with a suspect? I can't remember. Did she fly down to meet with a guy who said he was Jacob?
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Are you claiming that Patty did these things without the involvement of Law Enforcement? That seems unlikely. I have never heard of the Wetterlings taking anything into their own hands and interfering with an investigation. As far as I can tell, they have limited their activities to cooperating with what LE thought would be useful, and asked them to do.

Given Captain Lindquist's statement at his last press conference on the case, Amy's family has always cooperated fully with the police. So it seems reasonable to assume that if there was an occasion for them to wear a wire to talk to a suspect in cooperation with the police, and with their support and guidance, they would probably do it.
 
This seems like a good situation for either Joy Baker or Robert Dudley to investigate,
The community may know things that are not so apparent like in Jacob's case. Dudley discovered long lost information.

It is a lot of years that have gone by, but it is amazing what people in St. Joe knew as well as Paynesville. This may be the case here as well.
 
A review of the Osseo paper showed some odd things that were going on at the time. In particular, there was a man in his fifties that was missing and being searched for. His boat was found in Weaver Lake, if I recall, and the police were asking for information from the public on him...but they didn't release his name. They dragged the lake and searched the surrounding area for him. several stories appeared in the paper about it, but then the story disappeared, with no apparent resolution.

There were a LOT of incidences of car windows, home windows, porch lights, etc. being shot out with BB guns. There were some building s under construction, that sort of thing. The county fair was going on around that time, which could have brought people into the area and contributed to people not noticing "strangers" particularly, as there would be a reasonable explanation for having unfamiliar people in the area.
 
Whisper2112 said:
It's not that weird to have a designated family spokesperson to talk to the media in missing child cases. In fact, that is generally recommended.
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Yes, perhaps Amy's mother is just a more confident speaker in those type of situations.

However, it would be nice for the father/stepfather to give his account of the day (and days leading up to) Amy's disappearance. There are so many conflicting and confusing accounts floating around, that it would be incredibly useful to get a definitive account from the only person who is able to provide that information. He may possess some important nuggets of information that could break this case, without even realising how important they are.
 
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