MN - George Floyd, 46, died in police custody, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 #15 - Chauvin Trial Day 12

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Cathy Russon
@cathyrusson
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#DerekChauvinTrial - Defense set to begin their case today and is expected to take a few days. Judge anticipates no court on Friday and closing arguments Monday.

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Angenette Levy
@Angenette5
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Retired officer Scott Creighton is the officer who took #GeorgeFloyd into custody during the May 2019 traffic stop. Creighton says he gave commands to Floyd to show his hands

Nelson playing portion of May 2019 video “I’m not going to shoot you! Put your hands on the dash!” Creighton says. Other officers tell GF “spit it out!”


link: https://twitter.com/cathyrusson



Paul Blume
@PaulBlume_FOX9
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Officer Creighton testimony complete. 2nd witness connected to '19 drug arrest of #GeorgeFloyd. Jury gets same warning from Judge Cahill about how this testimony can be used. Michelle Monseng is retired Hennepin EMS & will speak to Floyd's health vitals at time of prior arrest.

Judge again limiting testimony of this witness, retired paramedic Monseng so as not to prejudice jury. She told court #GeorgeFloyd blood pressure was extremely high. Floyd told her he had taken a bunch of pills, she recalls percoset or oxy. Reportedly said he was addicted.

Moseng.jpg

link: https://twitter.com/PaulBlume_FOX9
 
Nelson's only defense at this point is to convince jury that GF had a history of being addicted to drugs and died of an OD. Nelson has to establish a foundation and build upon it one brick at a time. He only needs to convince one juror.
 
well now I see that defense will move quickly...just put Chauvin up there and get this over.
I’ll be surprised if he takes the stand. I don’t think he has the.. tennis balls.. to take the stand. He won’t be as big and bad on the stand if the prosecution was to cross examine him.
 
I don’t see showing this video as victim blaming at all. It is telling though. Obviously GF didn’t die during this interaction, but his and police’s reactions were similar to those of the 2020 incident.

I think the laughing/smiling is a nervous reaction. I do it to.
 
*bump* a post as to perhaps which juror they are trying to speak to... as to me.. it is bad for defense what just happened this am.

Are they trying to get to someone on the jury as to "he's got a history of drug abuse or ????"

I still don't get what the defense is going for, and which juror they are speaking to for a hung jury.

MOO... for the 3 charges.... they will NOT NOT NOT be hung on all 3. The bottom charge still for me has been met.. if not more (Assume all here are familiar with charges.. if not... ask and I'll repost).

Here are jurors and wonder which one they are speaking to about "black addict" attitude the defense is trying perhaps to portray. GF is NOT ON TRIAL!

No. 2: White man, 20s
He described himself as a chemist and environmental studies scientist who said he typically views life through an analytical lens.

Defense attorney Eric Nelson asked him to expand on some of the answers he gave on his written questionnaire, particularly a question concerning Black Lives Matter.

“I support the message that every life should matter equally,” the juror said. “I don’t believe that the organization Black Lives Matter necessarily stands for that.”

The juror was also asked to expand on answers he gave about disparities in policing and about the criminal justice system. He said he doesn’t necessarily think Minneapolis police are more likely to use force against Black people than they would against others.

However, he said he believes the criminal justice system is biased against racial and ethnic minorities. He said there was a lot of evidence to support that opinion.

No. 9: Multi/mixed race woman, 20s
She describes herself as easygoing, and a mediator among her friends.

In her questionnaire, she said she had somewhat negative impressions of Chauvin, but that she could keep an open mind and be fair. She also said she believes the Black Lives Matter movement, along with Blue Lives Matter, has turned into a disingenuous marketing scheme for corporations.

She has an uncle who’s a police officer in central Minnesota, but said that wouldn't affect her opinion.

When the judge told her she was chosen, she said, "Awesome."

No. 19: White man, 30s
He said he’s in client services and has had to resolve conflicts before.

In his questionnaire, he indicated his view of Chauvin was “somewhat negative” because he didn’t resuscitate Floyd, and that he supports Black Lives Matter in a general context. He also said he has some unfavorable views of Blue Lives Matter.

He said he has a “friend of a friend” who is a Minneapolis K-9 officer but that he hasn’t spoken to him about the case or seen him since the pandemic.

He said he’s seen the bystander video about two or three times, not in full, as part of news articles.

No. 27: Black man, 30s
He told the court he came to the United States 14 years ago, speaks multiple languages, works in information technology and is married.

Nelson asked the juror about an answer he provided on the written questionnaire about the death of Floyd. “And you said, ‘It could have been me or anyone else.' Can you explain that a little?” asked Nelson.

“It could have been anybody. It could have been you,” replied the juror. “I also used to live not far from that area (38th Street and Chicago Avenue in south Minneapolis) when I first met my wife. So that is why I said it could have been me. It could have been anybody.”

Asked if he had any particular opinions about the Minneapolis Police Department or law enforcement in general, the man said he did not. The juror also said he felt somewhat supportive of both Black Lives Matter and Blue Lives Matter.

“And you wrote that you believe ‘our cops need to be safe and feel and be safe to protect our community,’” Nelson read from the juror’s questionnaire. “Correct,” said the juror.

No. 44: White woman, 50s
The court held part of her questioning without audio while they discussed a sensitive matter with the juror. She later said in her work for a nonprofit advocacy group, she’s had contact with Attorney General Keith Ellison.

When asked if she felt that would jeopardize her ability to be an impartial juror, she said no.

Nelson asked the juror about her answers on the jury questionnaire pertaining to the treatment of people of color by the criminal justice system.

“I do believe there’s bias,” said the woman. “I’ve seen it in my work.”

The woman also said had formed a somewhat negative opinion of Chauvin. But she said she had sympathy and empathy, not only for Floyd, but for the officers involved.

“Everyone’s lives are changed by this incident and what happened. Everyone’s lives,” she said. “And it’s not easy. For anyone.”

No. 52: Black man, 30s
He said he works in the banking industry and is a youth sports coach.

In his questionnaire, he said he was neutral on Chauvin and Floyd. He said he had seen the video and has wondered why the other officers didn’t intervene.

Prosecutor Steve Schleicher questioned one of the juror's statements made during questioning by the defense. The man had said he didn’t think anyone had the intent to cause Floyd’s death.

Schleicher said Chauvin’s intentions will be contested during the trial and asked him if he’d have a problem setting aside his opinion.

“I don’t think it would be that difficult at all,” he said. “I think I can definitely look at it with an objective point of view.”

No. 55: White woman, 50s
She said she works in health care as an executive assistant.

The juror said she couldn’t watch the full video because she found it too disturbing.

She also said in her questionnaire she has a somewhat negative opinion of Chauvin but that he’s innocent until proven otherwise.

She said she has a somewhat unfavorable opinion of Black Lives Matter, acknowledging that she perceives it to possibly mean that other lives don’t matter. She wrote on her questionnaire, “I believe all lives matter,” according to notes from the pool reporter.

No. 79: Black man, 40s
He said he works in management capacity, and that he has not formed an opinion about who is responsible for Floyd’s death.

In his questionnaire, he said he had a neutral opinion of Chauvin and a “somewhat positive” impression of Floyd.

He said he strongly disagreed with defunding police, noting that his house was burglarized once and he had to call the police. The man said he immigrated to the United States.

No. 85: Multi/mixed race woman, 40s
She said she works in organizational management.

In responses to the court, she said was always taught to respect police but added that she wouldn't have trouble second-guessing their decisions if needed.

“Police officers are human,” she said. “They’re not robots that are programmed to all behave in the exact same way. So I feel like as humans, they can make mistakes as well.”

No. 89: White woman, 50s
She said she’s a cardiac care nurse who lives in the suburbs.

She was questioned in depth about her medical training and whether she would second-guess police on resuscitation efforts. She was also asked whether she would reference her nursing experience during deliberations. She said she could avoid it, and would not act as an expert during deliberations.

“I think I can be impartial and listen to instructions and go with what I’m given and ignore the outside stuff,” she said.

No. 91: Black woman, 60s
She said she’s retired from a job in marketing, and that she has a degree in psychology. She volunteers with underserved youth. She grew up in south Minneapolis near where Floyd died.

She said she watched a few minutes of the bystander video of Floyd’s arrest before shutting it off.

She has a relative who is a Minneapolis police officer but they are not close.

She said she believes Blacks and whites do not receive equal treatment, noting that a white U.S. Capitol riot suspect was allowed to go on vacation in Mexico after she was charged.

She said she doesn’t follow the news closely and does not know enough yet to judge the case one way or another.

No. 92: White woman, 40s
She said she works in communications, and has been with the same company for 15 years.

She disagrees with defunding the police but believes change is needed based on what she's seen in media coverage of racism.

She noted somewhat negative views of both Chauvin and Floyd, that she didn’t believe Floyd deserved to die, and that police used excessive force. But she also noted she didn’t think Floyd was innocent either, according to notes from a pool reporter.

She said she understands there are reasons people struggle with addiction.

No. 96: White woman, 50s
She described herself as an animal lover who is passionate about advocacy for affordable housing and homelessness. She told the court said she recently resigned from her customer service-related job. The juror noted she feels like she is good at de-escalating conflicts and getting both sides to come together for a resolution.

She said she had seen video clips of the bystander video a few times and is also aware of the $27 million settlement.

In her questionnaire, she wrote that the restraint used on Floyd was “ultimately responsible” for his death, but under questioning she acknowledged that was her assumption based on what she had seen. She acknowledged the video may not show the entirety of what happened.

No. 118: White woman, 20s
The juror is a social worker who has relatives who are nurses.

In her line of work, she's had to call the police to remove unruly people. When asked by the prosecution if she's ever seen someone not comply with the police, she said she has not. Schleicher, the prosecutor, wondered if she would blame a person who doesn't comply with police for injuries resulting from a police encounter. She said everyone needs to be treated with respect even if they are suspected of a crime.

She disagrees with defunding police, but under questioning about police reform said that “there are good things and things that should be changed.”

The juror said she’s discussed the case with family members, including one who said they thought Chauvin should not have kept his knee on Floyd's neck for that long.

She said her decision regarding a verdict would not affect her relationship with family and she wouldn't feel the need to justify it. She said she's curious to hear more about police training that may have influenced how the encounter unfolded.

No. 131: White man, 20s
He described himself as an accountant and a sports fan. When asked by Schleicher about his opinion on athletes who “take a knee” during the national anthem, the man said, “I would prefer if someone would express their beliefs in a different manner. But I understand what they are trying to do and raise the dialogue on certain issues.”

The man said that after watching the bystander video from May 25, 2020, he felt like Chauvin’s use of force lasted too long.

He said he generally believes racial minorities are treated unfairly by the criminal justice system.

He strongly disagrees with the notion of defunding the Minneapolis Police Department. “I believe the force is a necessary and integral part of our society,” he said.

The man will be dismissed if none of the other jurors drop out by Monday, when opening statements begin.
 
I'm not sure what the second witness finds so amusing that she keeps smiling and laughing. It's as if she thinks her incident with Floyd was a joke.

The first few minutes of that testimony was odd. I think she was nervous, but it came off 'weird'. But this was the only way to get in what his BP was during that incident.
 
Eldridge sure stepped up her game, is just better at cross or a combination of both.
On the other hand, what have these witnessess brought for DC. The video entered clearly shows GF was also in a panic-like state like in the event in discussion, certainly not helpful.
 
I don’t see showing this video as victim blaming at all. It is telling though. Obviously GF didn’t die during this interaction, but his and police’s reactions were similar to those of the 2020 incident.

I think the laughing/smiling is a nervous reaction. I do it to.
But it also shows he survived THAT incident if he was under the influence. So to me IMO that shows more towards the unreasonable actions these cops showed in 2020
 
If Nelson wants to score any points, he needs to pound on GF's drug addiction, call a couple addiction experts to the stand. Stress that it was drugs that controlled GF.
 
Nelson's only defense at this point is to convince jury that GF had a history of being addicted to drugs and died of an OD. Nelson has to establish a foundation and build upon it one brick at a time. He only needs to convince one juror.

I think it's going to be more about the heart when he's ON drugs.
Although it got stricken, she did say something like he was showing opposite signs of what he should have been. I know nothing about oxy... should oxy make you sleepy like fentanyl?
 
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Angenette Levy
@Angenette5
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Nelson playing portion of May 2019 video “I’m not going to shoot you! Put your hands on the dash!” Creighton says. Other officers tell GF “spit it out!”

Prosecution asked on cross whether Floyd was falling down. Creighton said no. There was an objection. On redirect, Nelson asked "Did you hear the other officer say 'spit it out'." Creighton said he may have

Paramedic Michelle Moseng on the stand. She treated #GeorgeFloyd the day in 2019 when he was taken into custody. She was concerned about his BP being high. She said GF admitted he had not been taking his heart meds and was addicted to opioids

Moseng says on cross #Georgefloyd was resistant to going to the hospital. She says Floyd did not want to get on their gurney. “Respiratory effort normal”, she confirms


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Brian G. Buckmire
@BuckEsq
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Defense case starts in #DerekChauvinTrial with former Officer Creighton and retired EMT Michelle Moseng ... this testimony doesn’t go to #GeorgeFloyd character but the effect of the drugs in his system

link: https://twitter.com/cathyrusson



Paul Blume
@PaulBlume_FOX9
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After a pair of defense witnesses connected to #GeorgeFloyd 2019 drug arrest finished brief appearances on the stand, Judge Cahill has called for a short break. #DerekChauvinTrial in recess now for 5-10 minutes.

link: https://twitter.com/PaulBlume_FOX9
 
I'm not sure what the second witness finds so amusing that she keeps smiling and laughing. It's as if she thinks her incident with Floyd was a joke.


Perhaps she thinks that her on the stand is a laugh and a joke that she is with the defense for her testimony.

I recall when someone passed, we shared jokes at the viewing and were laughing.

VERY inappropriate to to looking back, but at the time... we just were in grief telling funny stories. And laughing of stories and sharing during that time without consideration that we were to be somber as others weren't in the conversation.

Surely folks judged us laughing at the wake.. but ALL of us were ok with such.

She may just be NERVOUS!
 
I'm not sure what the second witness finds so amusing that she keeps smiling and laughing. It's as if she thinks her incident with Floyd was a joke.

Nerves, probably. I'm sure the last place she wants to be is on national tv where millions of people are going to judge her responses.

Speaking of which, I know you don't want your witnesses to sound so smooth they sound coached but the first two witnesses sound like they just got woken up from a dead sleep and need ten cups of coffee.
 
But it also shows he survived THAT incident if he was under the influence. So to me IMO that shows more towards the unreasonable actions these cops showed in 2020
Right. If not for DC, GF may still be here today. But, I think this helps to understand that maybe DC didn’t overact like many people have thought. Did the witness overact to the situation in 2019? We only saw a few short seconds, and irrelevant seconds when it comes to what the heart of this trial is about, but we (and the jury) should consider the totality of the circumstances. I think this should help to put that into perspective. George acted similarly that day as did a different officer.
 
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