MN - Jacob Wetterling, 11, St. Joseph, 22 Oct 1989 - #17

[777]

You're all over the map...hard to pinpoint. As such....I have to discount your point of view.

While it's certainly fine to have hunches and go with your women's intuition or whatever you want to use....

...NEVERTHELESS, jumping 'all over the map' with suspects in this case is to me the mind of someone who values rationality and an investigative approach. There are too few publicly known clues to decide on guilt.

A few people don't like DR because he doesn't react passionately enough to the case. A few people are dominated by emotions instead of objectivity. The emotional appeal or lack thereof of any suspect is completely irrelevant - this isn't a popularity contest.



777

 

[Cappuccino]

This will sound like an off the wall suggestion, but I've often wondered if there was a connection between Jacob's abduction and the West Memphis child murders. There's already enough argumentation in the wm3 sub forum about the three teens who were convicted so I don't bring it up there, but I do wonder.

Three young boys riding their bikes after dark, accosted by a man with a gun and told to lie face down in a ditch till he decides which one to abduct. In West Memphis, three young boys riding their bikes after dark were all found murdered and dumped in a ditch - so is it possible that Jacob's abductor tried the same trick in Arkansas and somehow lost control of the situation and ended up killing all three?

 

[Sasquatch321]

This will sound like an off the wall suggestion, but I've often wondered if there was a connection between Jacob's abduction and the West Memphis child murders. There's already enough argumentation in the wm3 sub forum about the three teens who were convicted so I don't bring it up there, but I do wonder.

Three young boys riding their bikes after dark, accosted by a man with a gun and told to lie face down in a ditch till he decides which one to abduct. In West Memphis, three young boys riding their bikes after dark were all found murdered and dumped in a ditch - so is it possible that Jacob's abductor tried the same trick in Arkansas and somehow lost control of the situation and ended up killing all three?

Just to add to this viable connection, I think Kenneth Parnell did both.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Parnell

 

[Cappuccino]

Just to add to this viable connection, I think Kenneth Parnell did both.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Parnell

Kenneth Parnell bought a cabin in Arkansas shortly before he kidnapped Timmy White.

 

[Sasquatch321]

Kenneth Parnell bought a cabin in Arkansas shortly before he kidnapped Timmy White.

Steven Stayner died Sept of 89. Cross country hiatus with a gun and out of control?

 

[human]

http://articles.latimes.com/1990-02-25/news/mn-1914_1_patty-wetterling/2Carmen was "really upset that Santa Claus didn't bring Jacob any toys," Patty Wetterling said. "I told her he didn't bring them here. 'Maybe he found Jacob, or maybe he's waiting until we find Jacob."'

Trevor, 10, who was with Jacob that night, thinks of his brother too. When he recently got a baseball player's autograph, he collected an extra one. He often sleeps in his parents' room and didn't want to return to school.

"I said there's a law that said kids have to go to school and he said, 'Even when your brother's missing?' " his mother said. "I didn't know what to say to that."

The Wetterlings say attending Trevor's hockey games is a sad reminder of Jacob's love of the sport and skill as a goalie.

But some tasks are more grim. Jerry Wetterling had to check to see if Jacob was shown in pornographic pictures found by police in an impounded car in Minneapolis.

Both Wetterlings are involved in the community: Patty once was PTA president, Jerry led the chamber of commerce and a local NAACP chapter. Finding Jacob is their work now.

"At one point, I started getting more numb," Patty Wetterling said. "I actually felt kind of good because . . . maybe he's gotten to feel more numb and then he wouldn't feel so lost or alone or afraid or pained.

"Whatever's going on, he's just not feeling much of it," her husband said. "I feel that's what he's had to do to survive."

 

[Trino]

The local community can demand that the cops open up the entire case file to the public. Post it on the internet.

In the unlikely event that the criminal is free and even still alive, making the evidence public is the last hail-Mary effort to see that maybe some justice is achieved before it's too late to matter.
77

I think this is a good idea, but would the Wetterlings go along with the idea of making evidence public? Where's the community on this - seems they aren't behind such an effort.

 

[Sasquatch321]

I think this is a good idea, but would the Wetterlings go along with the idea of making evidence public? Where's the community on this - seems they aren't behind such an effort.

I think first you have to get an update on the items that are still being tested, or what is waiting for advancement in technology. If theres nothing happening with that anymore, then yes, release the case files online.

 

[human]

Two things that I can think of that people discovered after years of discussing and analyzing every which way.

1. The name DAH

2. The mysterious footprint in the picture of Jacob's foot print belonged to the investgator in the photo.

Hard struggles and many posts and thinking and finally the pieces came together.

To me it shows persistence pays off

 

[Trino]

I think first you have to get an update on the items that are still being tested, or what is waiting for advancement in technology. If theres nothing happening with that anymore, then yes, release the case files online.

Update? Well, we know that's not going to happen.

 

[human]

Update? Well, we know that's not going to happen.

Have you ever heard of LE releasing confidential details on an ongoing case?

 

[Mossad]

Predatory sex offenders continue to slip through the fingers of law enforcement in the central Minnesota hinterlands, even in 2015.

Did lack of core competencies by local law enforcement eventually allow sexual predation to occur in St. Joseph, Minnesota, on October 22, 1989?

Is sexual predation preventable, or is sexual predation inevitable?

And what has become of all the “tips“ and “leads” supposedly generated by yet another round of publicity one year ago?

Nothing.

The Jacob Wetterling case remains as publicly unsolved today as it was one year ago, as it was ten years ago, as it was on October 23, 1989. Social media has not brought closure to the public.

The only outcome that will bring public closure, by statute or otherwise, is locating the missing person.

All necessary clues likely have surfaced for anyone not suffering from Small Brain Syndrome, yet the locals seem paralyzed, stymied, passively locked into an endlessly stalemated state of resignation, perhaps even learned helplessness. Who will break out of that inertia? Who will step up? (People who post hundreds or thousands of useless comments annually on the internet need not apply. Fat guts and fat butts will not solve this case. Solving this case is only for those of fit mind and body.)

“But what to do and where to look?,” the constant quandary, is always raised as the concerned citizen’s first defense. “How and where does one begin to look?”

Surely there must be some technology that could be utilized with minimal effort, no digging, no destruction of property, no muss, no fuss, and perhaps if asked nicely or, for a worthy cause, such technology might even be obtained at a discount or no cost in someone’s spare time . . .

But who? Who would have technology powerful enough to locate a needle in a haystack, or even an unmarked grave?

Surely there must be local resources available to manage such a project. But who? Where?

What search words should be used?

Oh, this is so difficult to identify, prohibitively expensive probably, technology downright impossible to source locally, much less actually utilize, for a 26-year-old missing person case . . .

Better get back to that farmer’s driveway fast, those tire tracks, that footprint, those light poles, the mail box, the diabolical “Kevin,” the helicopter prop wash, the elusive “Hollinger,” the “bloody” cedar chest, the “phallic” woodpile, Kevin’s girlfriend, Kevin’s girlfriend’s brother, Kevin’s girlfriend’s mother, the countless pedophile rings in the area all conspiring together, the gravel pit, the party spot, etc., etc., etc., because, after all, it is important to leave no stone unturned without ever leaving a computer, without ever lifting a fat @ss off an easy chair, or shifting a fat beer gut away from a bar or billiard table and consequently someday, perhaps even another 26 years and a million more pointless internet comments from now, a long-forgotten memory will be triggered somewhere that will magically unthaw and solve this sub-zero frozen-solid cold case iceberg without ever needing to satisfy any statutory requirements for physical evidence.

Until then, keep spinning in that gravel and dust . . . keep letting it all slip through your fingers




Prov. 11:14

 

[777]

This will sound like an off the wall suggestion, but I've often wondered if there was a connection between Jacob's abduction and the West Memphis child murder . . . so is it possible that Jacob's abductor tried the same trick in Arkansas and somehow lost control of the situation and ended up killing all three?

FBI profiler John Douglas solved the WM3 case in his book Law & Disorder, IMO.

If you haven't read it or or unaware of the conclusion, I'm not sure what the WS rules allow me to repeat, but basically the abductor of the boys was one of the local adults who had regular contact with them and a long history of domestic violence. I appreciate you bringing new ideas. But I'm certain Jacob isn't related to the Memphis case.

BTW, the notion that 3 non violent (and not particularly clever) teenagers could pull this off is ridiculous but goes a long way towards illustrating the prejudices of cops given to them by the local community and the local values. The WM3 were weird kids who liked heavy metal instead of the church choir, hence they are child abductors. POlice, judge, jury all bought into it.......

I think this is a good idea, but would the Wetterlings go along with the idea of making evidence public? Where's the community on this - seems they aren't behind such an effort.

The Wetterlings are no doubt influential in this case and everyone is correct to consider their point of view.

However, we don't let victims of crime hunt down the criminals for a reason. This case does not "belong" to the family, it is a crime against children and all decent society. Everyone has an interest in this case and the locals have a right to petition their elected officials to handle it in the way the public demands.

Release everything.

I think first you have to get an update on the items that are still being tested, or what is waiting for advancement in technology. If theres nothing happening with that anymore, then yes, release the case files online.

That's fine, let them hold on to the 10% or whatever of the evidence is sensitive or pending further study.

But give the public access to the 10000+ tips that were phoned in early on and ruled out. Release the full tire track evidence, footprint evidence and other crime scene evidence or photos that have existed for 26 years....it's obviously not doing any good in police hands.

...
(People who post hundreds or thousands of useless comments annually on the internet need not apply. Fat guts and fat butts will not solve this case. Solving this case is only for those of fit mind and body.)

Agreed.

Locals have to do something.




777

 

[Trino]

And, what locals are going to lead the charge?

 

[StinkSprings]

Yes. Though unlike the 3 you had mentioned I don't believe he will be captured alive.

Someone out there collected souvenirs from abductions. I believe all the Paynesville/ColdSpring/StJoseph cases are connected. Perhaps LE got close to the perp and he destroyed his souvenirs? I truly believe you find the person who owned this parka, you will solve all the cases.
http://www.joybaker.com/wp-content/2014/04/70s_parka.jpg

Do you think the perp is the only one who knows what he has done?

Some of the crazies of the past were totally on their own and no one knew. Unabomber, Ed Gein, Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy------ many and nobody was privvy to their crimes.

It can be that no one knows. Only the perp

 

[human]

Predatory sex offenders continue to slip through the fingers of law enforcement in the central Minnesota hinterlands, even in 2015.

Did lack of core competencies by local law enforcement eventually allow sexual predation to occur in St. Joseph, Minnesota, on October 22, 1989?

Is sexual predation preventable, or is sexual predation inevitable?

And what has become of all the “tips“ and “leads” supposedly generated by yet another round of publicity one year ago?

Nothing.

The Jacob Wetterling case remains as publicly unsolved today as it was one year ago, as it was ten years ago, as it was on October 23, 1989. Social media has not brought closure to the public.

The only outcome that will bring public closure, by statute or otherwise, is locating the missing person.

All necessary clues likely have surfaced for anyone not suffering from Small Brain Syndrome, yet the locals seem paralyzed, stymied, passively locked into an endlessly stalemated state of resignation, perhaps even learned helplessness. Who will break out of that inertia? Who will step up? (People who post hundreds or thousands of useless comments annually on the internet need not apply. Fat guts and fat butts will not solve this case. Solving this case is only for those of fit mind and body.)

“But what to do and where to look?,” the constant quandary, is always raised as the concerned citizen’s first defense. “How and where does one begin to look?”

Surely there must be some technology that could be utilized with minimal effort, no digging, no destruction of property, no muss, no fuss, and perhaps if asked nicely or, for a worthy cause, such technology might even be obtained at a discount or no cost in someone’s spare time . . .

But who? Who would have technology powerful enough to locate a needle in a haystack, or even an unmarked grave?

Surely there must be local resources available to manage such a project. But who? Where?

What search words should be used?

Oh, this is so difficult to identify, prohibitively expensive probably, technology downright impossible to source locally, much less actually utilize, for a 26-year-old missing person case . . .

Better get back to that farmer’s driveway fast, those tire tracks, that footprint, those light poles, the mail box, the diabolical “Kevin,” the helicopter prop wash, the elusive “Hollinger,” the “bloody” cedar chest, the “phallic” woodpile, Kevin’s girlfriend, Kevin’s girlfriend’s brother, Kevin’s girlfriend’s mother, the countless pedophile rings in the area all conspiring together, the gravel pit, the party spot, etc., etc., etc., because, after all, it is important to leave no stone unturned without ever leaving a computer, without ever lifting a fat @ss off an easy chair, or shifting a fat beer gut away from a bar or billiard table and consequently someday, perhaps even another 26 years and a million more pointless internet comments from now, a long-forgotten memory will be triggered somewhere that will magically unthaw and solve this sub-zero frozen-solid cold case iceberg without ever needing to satisfy any statutory requirements for physical evidence.

Until then, keep spinning in that gravel and dust . . . keep letting it all slip through your fingers




Prov. 11:14

Since you seem to have a handle on this and are relatively local enough, you may have to take the sword and be the fit person to step up and be the leader. Sometimes that is the way it has to be

 

[Jbrown324320]

we are not fat mossad. give me a location. I'll drive up there. is it the land that is going to be developed like your last post? why dont you designate a time and place for us to meet and drive us to the location?

 

[StinkSprings]

It's against websleuths policy to make arrangements to meet in person on the forum.

we are not fat mossad. give me a location. I'll drive up there. is it the land that is going to be developed like your last post? why dont you designate a time and place for us to meet and drive us to the location?

 

[bucshunter]

Sasquatch is local he should do it

 

[human]

Sasquatch is local he should do it

So is Mossad, sort of. He knows what to look for. He can report back.

I think plenty of people on WS have met in real life. I have read about it on WS. There were even pictures.