But did Kevin tell this cop that he drove all the way into DR's driveway and turned around? Or did he just say, we saw some bikes? Kevin never came forward until 2004 to say that he had driven into the driveway. (After talking to a Marshall at a party.) He said at the time of the abduction he didn't say anything because he didn't want to be involved or be a suspect. He was worried as it was that cops would track his tire prints. That was when LE started looking at locals.
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Yes, that makes total sense. I remember about the cop being stationed waiting for the wetterlings
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There are indeed several obstacles in the way of looking at Jacob's abduction into a pedo ring. Tiny town, secluded road, somewhat inconvenient access to I-94, etc.
To get to the possibility of a pedo ring involvement, I think it's necessary to step back and look at the big picture. What was in the area at the time that would draw a pedo network in? How would a kidnapped kid be transferred out of town? I've read that in some pedo rings the kids are moved via semi-trailer within the states. In Jacob's case that would mean a nabbing, then a transfer to a semi trailer.
What was in the area at the time that would provide the "shipping lane" to traffic a young boy? Fingerhut? International Paper?
I'm not particularly into the idea that Jacob was taken by a pedo ring. But it is possible. The lack of a finding of a body nearby the abduction scene, and the lack of a local perp "talking" about the crime would be supporting factors to an abduction by a ring.
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RE: May 16, 1996: Search warrants authorities thought were sealed are released to the public. The warrants reveal three potential suspects authorities considered early in the investigation.
Can anyone provide copies of these search warrants or point me to a source who has copies?
Two of the three suspects in the warrants were ruled out.
One was a 60 year old St. Joseph man who had confessed to the kidnapping a month after it occurred. He said LE could find Jacob's clothing in his basement. The man was investigated but nothing was found. The man was later admitted to a nursing home as he suffered from Alzheimer's disease.
Another ruled out suspect was a St. Cloud State University student. He was committed to a mental institution a week after Jacob's abduction. Investigators found in his apartment a flier about Jacob and unusual writings about the Wetterling's Bahai faith. He was eliminated as a suspect and committed suicide in another state.
The man who was not yet eliminated as a suspect when the warrants were revealed in May, 1996 was a Paynesville area man. The man fit the description of Jared's abductor. He was not considered a top suspect in Jacob's abduction. One paragraph in this particular search warrant was blocked out even after being seen by WCCO staff. I wonder if this was the man that was arrested in Jared's abduction?
Source: May 17, 1996 St. Cloud Times, "Warrants Reveal Early Wetterling Suspects"
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RE: May 16, 1996: Search warrants authorities thought were sealed are released to the public. The warrants reveal three potential suspects authorities considered early in the investigation.
Can anyone provide copies of these search warrants or point me to a source who has copies?
Two of the three suspects in the warrants were ruled out.
One was a 60 year old St. Joseph man who had confessed to the kidnapping a month after it occurred. He said LE could find Jacob's clothing in his basement. The man was investigated but nothing was found. The man was later admitted to a nursing home as he suffered from Alzheimer's disease.
Another ruled out suspect was a St. Cloud State University student. He was committed to a mental institution a week after Jacob's abduction. Investigators found in his apartment a flier about Jacob and unusual writings about the Wetterling's Bahai faith. He was eliminated as a suspect and committed suicide in another state.
The man who was not yet eliminated as a suspect when the warrants were revealed in May, 1996 was a Paynesville area man. The man fit the description of Jared's abductor. He was not considered a top suspect in Jacob's abduction. One paragraph in this particular search warrant was blocked out even after being seen by WCCO staff. I wonder if this was the man that was arrested in Jared's abduction?
Source: May 17, 1996 St. Cloud Times, "Warrants Reveal Early Wetterling Suspects"
I've always figured that last one was DAH. I wish we knew what was blacked out on that warrant. Anyone know any old WCCO employees? :smile:
Just a note, to get into records on links in case players who's who...
For example on #3... (To access records, click "I accept" for terms, when new page opens, click on "Criminal/Traffic/Petty Case Records", enter CODE shown, search by "defendant", put in name and date of birth, and click search.)
For example on #3... (To access records, click "I accept" for terms, when new page opens, click on "Criminal/Traffic/Petty Case Records", enter CODE shown, search by "defendant", put in name and date of birth, and click search.)
Why would a pedo ring go to some isolated area when there are millions of boys just craving male adult attention? They are in every city . They are playing in parks and playgrounds by themselves. Riding the streets by themselves. Etc.
Pedos have phd's in child molesting. They live it, breathe it, study it.
Pedos have phd's in child molesting. They live it, breathe it, study it.
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I believe that there was a group that could have operated out of St Joseph area that would meet and trade pictures and info about boys. Possibly held at the Abbey. MOO. I haven't found proof yet. That would put a lot of pedophiles in the area.
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Shergal, incredible job on the who's who posting!
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But didn't DAH have a Belgrade address at the time??
I remember DAH being in the news as a Paynesville man. I brought him up originally as i could not find anything about him online, but i distinctly remembered about him as at the time, I was so excited that the perp may have been found.
He was identified in the news as a Paynesville man. That I remember for sure
He was identified in the news as a Paynesville man. That I remember for sure
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DAH was a native of Paynesville. He grew up there and I believe still had family there. When he was arrested in 1990, his address was in Belgrade, 55 miles from St Josephs. He was arrested at the farm where he worked in Brooten, 48 miles from St Joseph.
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His mother lived in Paynesville, MN until she died in 2011. 26 miles from St Joseph, MN.
ELOCsoul mentioned to me that I had missed David Paul Weiss on my list, and when I went back and found him on here, I noticed i had also missed Daniel Acker, so I've typed up a description of those two with links and sent it to Bessie to add to the main who's who list. (I can't edit it myself anymore.)
JBrown mentioned to me that in addition to the brothers; RB, MB and AB, their father (RB, Sr.) also had a record for sex abuse. I'm not sure if we should add him to the list if he was older at the time, or just say "entire 'B' family."
JBrown mentioned to me that in addition to the brothers; RB, MB and AB, their father (RB, Sr.) also had a record for sex abuse. I'm not sure if we should add him to the list if he was older at the time, or just say "entire 'B' family."
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Do you know the actual date of his arrest? I read somewhere that a suspect had been arrested 3 months after Jacob's abduction - so if it was in January, that would make DAH most likely for the arrest in Jared's abduction.
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How did you figure out who Lou was?! I must have missed that!
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I just found this online. I can't find the channel on cable locally, but maybe some of you can
.11pm Mon Dec 3 - 20/20 on ID episode featuring Jacob Wetterling:
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20/20 on ID Episode: "A Mother's Search"
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Episode Synopsis: Chronicling the formation of the Jacob Wetterling Foundation, an advocacy group for kids' safety. It was established by Patty and Jerry Wetterling, whose 11-year-old son was abducted in 1989 and has never been found. Original Air Date: Dec 2, 2013
20/20 on ID Episodes on IDHD 2011, TV Show
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Seasons:
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20/20 on ID Episode: "A Mother's Search"
Season 3, Episode 22
Episode Synopsis: Chronicling the formation of the Jacob Wetterling Foundation, an advocacy group for kids' safety. It was established by Patty and Jerry Wetterling, whose 11-year-old son was abducted in 1989 and has never been found. Original Air Date: Dec 2, 2013
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Lou that is referenced in the Bahner Tapes is Louis Kohls. Long story on how he was found, took considerable googling but it is definitely the guy mentioned in the tapes.
On a side note, I have kind of a funny story about this too. A fellow sleuth messaged me and pointed out that my "handle" backwards, is "Lou S Cole". Amazing coincidence, but it's just that.
The ELO is for my favorite band, Electric Light Orchestra, and the Csoul is for another one of my favorites - Collective Soul.
It was on WEtv: http://www.wetv.com/shows/2020-on-we/episodes/season-2/a-mothers-search
It originally aired on Feb. 4, 2009.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1508382/
(You can probably watch it on HULU.com)
Jbrown...your text does not indicate whom you are speaking to but I assume it is me and my posts #643 + #645. If so, I apologize if I offended you. I agree with you 100%....looking for Jacob is no waste of time. I don't live in MN and only learned of Jacob's abduction 1 1/2 years ago. Since then, I have read WS every day and follow the links and do whatever research I can. I have kids and understand your comment about how tough it would be to function every day, in fact am very cognizant of the dangers for kids these days. The pain the Wetterlings have is something I cannot imagine. My comments were very cynical in nature...mainly directed at LE....it's been 24 years and nothing forthcoming. I realize information may be sensitive but simply waiting for the 'holy grail' of evidence doesn't seem an option when there has been so much information collected by WS posters on this forum. While this evidence may be worth waiting for, at my age, another 24 years may be too much, but more importantly, too much for Jacob's family. And so it is a good thing that people like you and others are willing to keep researching and looking for the truth.
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