MN - Jacob Wetterling, 11, St. Joseph, 22 Oct 1989 - #8

[Sigrun]

Here is a video from KARE 11 (and our local paper) showing them digging on the farm. It seems to be further back on the farm out in the south east corner - from what I can tell. No where near the wood pile.

http://archive.kare11.com/news/arti...s-names-person-of-interest-in-Wetterling-case

Shergal, or anyone, can you point me to a source that might tell us what vehicles DR had on the farm that night? I'm thinking of his cars and his parent's cars.

~ svh

 

[Sigrun]

Working on the crime scene part of a Best Fit Analysis and I'll update, but to prefigure things:

The involvement of K+K in this crime is not likely.
There were likely 2 perpetrators present in the commission of this crime, both male.
It is likely that a rare, open top vehicle was used in this abduction
It is likely that JEW was lifted into the vehicle under the pretext of armed guard
It is likely that one male did not enter the vehicle and the other drove

~ svh

 

[HEY YOU!]

I hear you talking about the Bs and LK but not explaining where their car would be parked. Remember, ALL of the tire tracks were accounted for in DR's driveway once Kevin came forward. Also, where exactly is the gravel pit that DR said would be a good place to bury Jacob's body? Anybody know?

 

[HEY YOU!]

Working on the crime scene part of a Best Fit Analysis and I'll update, but to prefigure things:

The involvement of K+K in this crime is not likely.
There were likely 2 perpetrators present in the commission of this crime, both male.
It is likely that a rare, open top vehicle was used in this abduction
It is likely that JEW was lifted into the vehicle under the pretext of armed guard
It is likely that one male did not enter the vehicle and the other drove

~ svh

Can you explain step by step how this plays out in the abduction of Jacob? If K&K not involved where did the open top vehicle come from and how did it not leave tracks? Where do you get 2 perps? What is 'armed guard?' One male did not enter vehicle? Where did he go?

Please explain the scenario.

 

[Trackergd]

I wonder what the reaction from DR and LE would be if some brave soul decided to sashay over to the woodpile and start poking around with a camera and flashlight?

Not sure of the laws in MN, but around here, if there is not any "No Trespassing" signs, the worst LE can do is escort you off the property with a warning....

The next step would be to covertly watch the wood pile for a couple of days to see if anyone showed excessive interest in it after the recon.

 

[Silverngold]

I was there recently. However, it was by a mistake. The driveway looks like a regular gravel road. I don't know where the gravel pit is but it's not next to the wood piles. There are two medium sized piles and I posted my thoughts about the large/building sized pile. If a person were to remove some wood I have a hunch it would be noticed. No trespassing signs were there. However, since he probably reads this forum he may be thinking about getting one... I took a lot of heat for the wood pile description. I don't really care but it is something else. One really should see it with their own eyes. Imo he didn't need to offer LE any information where someone may bury a body on his land. He created a diversion away from the wood pile.

 

[Silverngold]

Think about it DR says find the car and you have your abductor initially. Then years later he tells patty wetterling if someone burried jacob on his land He would be in the gravel pit?!? Doesn't flow together. If his story was credible jacob would have been driven away from the abduction site not in the gravel pit. I say he flubbed or he created another diversion and it worked because LE has searched that gravel pit more than once. However, I cannot find any research stating that they removed the wood from the wood pile and searched in it and below it.

 

[human]

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2014/05/23/neighbors-discuss-father-son-wetterling-abduction/

possible suspects in wetterling abduction

Few outsiders were ever allowed into the Huber home, which had no indoor sewer system.
“Chickens, cats, dogs in the house,” Jones said.
Lauer said Huber’s home “reeked terrible.”

Think about this. No baths or showers. Washing clothes?

Think about street people you have encountered. The aroma is unbearable and they aren't living with animals as well.

 

[Shay]

Here's a better angle from 1989 looking from the North. There does appear to be a road winding back behind the Del-Win and coming out to 95th.

That's a good photo Shergal!

When I think of "behind" I was referring to the south side of the Del-Win. There was no road there and to this day there is no road there. From this photo, it does appear that Baker Street existed on the north and west side of the Del-Win. I did not think it was there at the time, so my apologies.

Baker Street and Dale Street both intersect 91st Avenue at present and are feeders to several newer housing developments on the east side of St. Joseph. Like all towns, a lot changes in 25 years! The Del-Win used to be surrounded by farmland.

Also, if you look at this photo, you will see DR's long shed in the upper left. He was very close to the Del-Win, and I'm not ruling out the possibility of someone from the polka fest being involved.

 

[Silverngold]

http://origin.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=875817. This is a repeat I'm sure. However, he talks about driving LE down to the gravel pit and also suggests places to look.

 

[Silverngold]

RBBM
It would be interesting to see if "No Trespassing" signs suddenly started sprouting up around the property. IMHO that would be a glaring spotlight that a)He watches the forum and b) There is something special about that wood pile. However since he does not meet the physical description given by the boys, I'm not sure what it would mean.

It sure would be interesting! Good point! Are you positive about not meeting the physical descriptions? I want to say Trevor compared the abductor's height and weight to the neighbor Merle. 190 lbs which would be ballpark and I can't remember the height. Remember the abductor wore that puffy winter coat which would make him look husky? Anyway. Good point!

 

[FindTim]

Nice of you to own up to the misinformation Shay! Honesty helps a ton when everyone is working together on a common cause. We all like to think we remember things correctly, but hey, that stuff was 25 years ago!

That's a good photo Shergal!

When I think of "behind" I was referring to the south side of the Del-Win. There was no road there and to this day there is no road there. From this photo, it does appear that Baker Street existed on the north and west side of the Del-Win. I did not think it was there at the time, so my apologies.

Baker Street and Dale Street both intersect 91st Avenue at present and are feeders to several newer housing developments on the east side of St. Joseph. Like all towns, a lot changes in 25 years! The Del-Win used to be surrounded by farmland.

Also, if you look at this photo, you will see DR's long shed in the upper left. He was very close to the Del-Win, and I'm not ruling out the possibility of someone from the polka fest being involved.

 

[Jbrown324320]

RBBM
It would be interesting to see if "No Trespassing" signs suddenly started sprouting up around the property. IMHO that would be a glaring spotlight that a)He watches the forum and b) There is something special about that wood pile. However since he does not meet the physical description given by the boys, I'm not sure what it would mean.

Tracker, to me it means he may be covering for someone he knows.

 

[Sasquatch321]

Why is DR chopping wood before summer? Usually people do this kind of thing in the fall.

 

[HEY YOU!]

Who says DR does not match the physical description given by Trevor & Aaron? I never heard these boys who are now men state that DR was NOT the guy who abducted Jacob. In fact, Patty Wetterling asked to meet with Dan Rassier after all those years and asked him if he maybe pulled a prank that went wrong and asked if that is what happened? Why would she do that? Trevor and Aaron may be the reason. They may know that he is the guy but have no real proof. Imagine having to drive past the site where your brother was abducted on an almost daily basis. And now when he goes to visit his parents, he has to drive by that driveway. It's the stuff of nightmares.

 

[HEY YOU!]

Why is DR chopping wood before summer? Usually people do this kind of thing in the fall.

Don't people start using their firewood in the fall? And maybe they are clearing some land for some reason and have to put that wood somewhere. I don't see the massive wood pile as anything other than a wood pile.

 

[Caoutchouc]

This is an off the wall thought that just crossed my mind. RB and MB had to know TH, the B'sgrew up at least part of their young life in Paynesville. The B's grandparents, the H's and DAHs grandparents were all close neighbors just outside of Paynesville. They were close to the same age as TH, and maybe of a similar social strata, I believe that they may be relatives though maybe only through marriage on RBsr mother's side of the family. It appears there was possible molestation going on in both families and people that are molested as kids sometimes become molesters themselves.

Could TH and the Bs been together at the party spot behind the woods and across the road from DRs and they abducted Jacob and then they tried to pin it on LK? Although the tapes have been discounted there is always some kernel of truth in every lie.

I do believe also that RB sr worked for the father of one of DRs Sister in laws not that has anything to do with anything.

THIS is VERY interesting. Anyone have more info on this?
That "party spot" has become my focus ...the instant I heard about it alarms went off in my head...

 

[Sasquatch321]

Don't people start using their firewood in the fall? And maybe they are clearing some land for some reason and have to put that wood somewhere. I don't see the massive wood pile as anything other than a wood pile.

I think things have been bubbling inside him and turned him into his second personality again.

 

[HEY YOU!]

That's a good photo Shergal!

When I think of "behind" I was referring to the south side of the Del-Win. There was no road there and to this day there is no road there. From this photo, it does appear that Baker Street existed on the north and west side of the Del-Win. I did not think it was there at the time, so my apologies.

Baker Street and Dale Street both intersect 91st Avenue at present and are feeders to several newer housing developments on the east side of St. Joseph. Like all towns, a lot changes in 25 years! The Del-Win used to be surrounded by farmland.

Also, if you look at this photo, you will see DR's long shed in the upper left. He was very close to the Del-Win, and I'm not ruling out the possibility of someone from the polka fest being involved.

How would someone from the polka fest know that these boys were out alone for the first time? And if they happened to be in the store when boys were there, they would have to get to DR driveway with black pantyhose and coat and abduct him and what, walk where with him? No cars past them and how would polka fest attendee know what direction boys were heading?

 

[Caoutchouc]

I hear you talking about the Bs and LK but not explaining where their car would be parked. Remember, ALL of the tire tracks were accounted for in DR's driveway once Kevin came forward. Also, where exactly is the gravel pit that DR said would be a good place to bury Jacob's body? Anybody know?

We don't know as fact that all tire tracks were accounted for.
LE latched onto the freshest set of tracks which we now know belonged to K+K. The crime scene was poorly preserved and compromised by virtue of the fact K+K drove over it