MO - Elizabeth Olten, 9, St Martin's, 21 Oct 2009 #14

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Something that has disturbed me about some online reactions to this case is how many young people I've seen who are drawn to it because they also "wonder what it'd be like to kill someone", and they all think this is a perfectly normal thought that everyone has. At least one of them, Emocuppycake, was discussed here before. They make no mention of these thoughts coming out of anger toward anyone specific, just the cold curiosity.

Recently, I was looking around for more information and came across a blog that disturbed me. Here it is -

This really bothers me, because this is the only person I've seen openly say they might go through with it someday. Maybe they're just messing around, I'm not sure... But if they're not, it's like the comments Alyssa made to her friends about her curiosity. We saw what happened when those were disregarded, so I kind of feel like someone should be notified about this. If it's real, I'd say this person needs some help.

So, I wanted to share it with you folks and see what you thought, and if anyone with more sleuth experience and know-how might want to see if someone could or should be contacted about this.
 
I do think that something should be done.

If you can possibly find out where she goes to school, you could contact the school counselor or school resource officer, who is usually a police officer.
As a school counselor, I have received outside info before that tied some pieces together to enable a child to get help/services that they didn't "qualify" for before. Often if a child says something once, people tend to ignore it or push it under the rug--- but if a pattern emerges, people may sit up and take notice. I'm not saying it happens every time, but, it's worth trying.

IMO, the comments this child is making are very specific and detailed- not just off-hand. It seems like s/he's thought about this a lot...

JMO
 
There's not much information there, so I'm not sure how to proceed. Report her blog to the website it's on maybe, but it's a gaming site and their reporting options are just about game help and such.
 
Thoughts like that are probably pretty common at that age, kids are finding their place in the world, their boundaries and what they mean. It's part of the process of becoming an adult. I think what is different now is that people are more aware of it because it is common practice to participate in public social networks. But I think adolescents have allways had those sorts of thoughts, you just didnt know about them.
 
Most of the ones who are posting about their curiosity definitely do think it's normal. I never encountered ponderings like these when I was a kid, and I was an adolescent just around 10 years ago. Not a happy one, either. But mid-20s and I'm already baffled, "What's with these kids today?"

Of course, Alyssa was far from the first to give the "wanted to know what it felt like" reason, so I know that it's not new.
 
Teen murder suspect excused from hearing
Wednesday, February 03, 2010 at 6:47 p.m.
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A judge has excused teenager Alyssa Bustamante, who is suspected of killing 9-year-old Elizabeth Olten, from appearing in court for a case status hearing scheduled for Feb. 16. Bustamante turned 16 on Jan. 28, but her birthday does not change anything as far as the court is concerned since she was already certified to stand trial as an adult.

Background on the Bustamante murder case
http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/content.aspx?id=366922

Article:
http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=411351
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Teen murder suspect won't appear at Feb. 16 hearing
Thursday, February 4, 2010 4:55 AM CST
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The St. Martins teenager accused of killing a 9-year-old girl last year will not be in court when the next hearing in her case takes place.

Court officials announced Wednesday that Alyssa Bustamante will not have to be brought before Cole County Presiding Judge Pat Joyce for a status hearing to be held Feb. 16.


Article:
http://newstribune.com/articles/2010/02/04/news_local/nt330local05alyssa10.txt
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Dad of slain Mo. girl pleads guilty to gun charges
February 12, 2010 3:24 PM ET
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Dale Olten Sr. was in prison on a state drug conviction when his 9-year-old daughter, Elizabeth, was killed last October in the town of St. Martins near Jefferson City. Alyssa Bustamante, who was age 15 at the time, has been charged as an adult with first-degree murder and has pleaded not guilty.

The U.S. attorney's office said Friday that Olten pleaded guilty to illegally possessing 29 guns. The weapons were found when authorities investigating a series of burglaries searched his Russellville home in February 2009.


Article:
http://www.koamtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=11978089
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Father of slain girl pleads guilty to federal gun charges
Friday, February 12, 2010 at 2:31 p.m.
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The father of a slain mid-Missouri girl has pleaded guilty to federal gun charges.

The firearms were discovered when law enforcement officers, investigating a series of burglaries, searched Olten&#8217;s residence.

Olten could get a minimum sentence of at least 15 years in federal prison without parole, plus a fine up to $500,000.


Photos: Father of slain girl pleads guilty to federal gun charges
http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/photos.aspx?id=415789

Article:
http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=415789
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Coming to Grips with Bizarre Murder Case
12/15/10 Last Update: 7:11 am
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Family and friends shared intimate details with us about both girls, answering some of the many unanswered questions about how such a thing could happen.

A Troubled Girl
In exclusive video her friends shared with NBC Action News, Alyssa Bustamante looks like a typical teen riding on a school bus, laughing, joking and sometimes hamming it up for the camera held by a classmate. But when that kid is Alyssa Bustamante, now accused of murdering for the thrill of it, that statement raises eyebrows.

Lindsey Jones showed us the video she took of her friend Alyssa nearly a year ago. Jones wanted us to see a different side of Bustamante. Besides that one statement, most of the video shows Bustamante as an outgoing, loud and joking kid.

Sources close to the investigation say Bustamante intended to kill and bury only one person that October afternoon. That leaves this question unanswered: Why did she dig two graves in the wooded area near her home?

Case Draws Global and Local Reporters
Global news outlets are now covering the story. So are student reporters with the Jefferson City High School student paper, "The Red and Black".

Elizabeth's Father Speaks
Elizabeth's biological father spoke exclusively to NBC Action News about his daughter. &#8220;She&#8217;s my bug. She&#8217;s my heart,&#8221; says Dale Olten.

Olten explains he regrets being in prison instead of being at home to protect his daughter. &#8220;I have my guilt, OK. I&#8217;ve done wrong,&#8221; Olten says. &#8220;Don't feel sorry for me. Feel sorry for my daughter. Feel sorry for her siblings. Feel sorry for the world because they're missing out on a beautiful child,&#8221; Olten says.

What's Next?
Bustamante&#8217;s attorneys are expected to ask a judge for a change of venue due to the media attention to her case.

Bustamante is in the Cole County Jail, and she is expected to remain there until her trial date.


Photo from video, taken by one of her friends, of Alyssa Bustamante on a school bus.
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Photo from video, taken by one of her friends, of Alyssa Bustamante on a school bus.
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Alyssa Bustamante lived in this house with her grandparents.
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Alyssa Bustamante
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Dale Olten is the father of murder victim Elizabeth Olten
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Student reporters have covered the charges against their schoolmate, Alyssa Bustamante, in the Jefferson City High School paper.
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Elizabeth Olten lived with her mother in this house in St. Martin, Mo.
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Video: EXCLUSIVE Interview with Elizabeth Olten's Father 3:26
http://www.nbcactionnews.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoid=584892@kshb.dayport.com&navCatId=5168

Slideshow: Coming to Grips with Bizarre Murder Case Photos 1-16
http://www.nbcactionnews.com/Photo.aspx?content_id=d57bdab4-fa79-48fa-996c-8f7358eb7cae&i=7

Bustamante had been planning to hurt someone
http://www.nbcactionnews.com/news/s...-Killing-Was-Like/PiBD3Qt4RkqH-wq2MjZCOg.cspx

Experts have also testified that Bustamante was on Prozac
http://www.nbcactionnews.com/news/s...-for-Girls-Murder/e5lBa76i0UqN7TXKMNos5A.cspx

Bustamante&#8217;s attorneys are expected to ask a judge for a change of venue
http://www.nbcactionnews.com/news/l...eks-to-Move-Trial/pQBDLZIryEm00ZPFG1GKbw.cspx

Article:
http://www.nbcactionnews.com/conten...zarre-Murder-Case/tNp71Xn6-kiZbI9zWOt8rg.cspx

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The news this past Friday included the Professor at the University of Alabama at Huntsville who was denied tenure and shot 6 of her colleagues, killing threee, including the department chair. A day or so later it is revealed that this woman killed her 18 ear old brother in 1986 in a shooting that was ruled "accidental". The current police chief stated he questions how that case was handled. FoxNews said this am that this woman's mother worked for the police in Braintree Mass. when the shooting death occurred.The point of posting this is that I had stated several times that the scary thing about giving someone mental health care, and then releasing them back into the community is no gurantee that anther death will not occur at this person's hands. This professor is one such case. Here is a link to read: http://www.aolnews.com/crime/article/3-dead-in-shooting-at-university-of-alabama-huntsville/19356792
 
Teen murder suspect has hearing today
Monday, February 15, 2010 at 4:25 p.m.
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A status hearing is scheduled Tuesday morning for Alyssa Bustamante.

The judge has excused Bustamante from appearing at the status hearing.


Article:
http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=416720
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Bustamante Court Hearing Tuesday Morning
2/16/10
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Tuesday's 9 a.m. status hearing at the Cole County Courthouse will move the case closer to trial.

Judge Patricia Joyce will preside over Tuesday morning's status hearing. Judge Joyce waived Bustamante's appearance for today. Instead the teen's public defender will stand in for her.

Authorities initially withheld Bustamante's identity until the court system certified her to stand trial as an adult. Bustamante had no prior criminal offenses, but records indicate she did try and attempt suicide in 2007. That prompted her public defender to request a psychiatric treatment evaluation for the teen. Even so, Judge Joyce has yet to rule on this request.

KOMU 8 News spoke with Cole County Prosecutor Mark Richardson who said it may take close to a year to prepare for trial due to the complex nature of this case. Richardson added, "Our strong considerations first go to the victim's family. Second, what we think the community wants to be done in this type of case and ultimately what we think the jury will do on the facts of this case."

KOMU 8 News will have a crew at today's status hearing. That crew will bring you updates throughout the day on KOMU.com and on Tuesday evening's newscasts.


Video: Bustamante Court Hearing Tuesday Morning
http://www.komu.com/satellite/Satel...c669b672/d687df7f-80ce-0971-002a-e65e983bedd4

Article:
http://www.komu.com/satellite/Satel...4c70b769/d687df7f-80ce-0971-002a-e65e983bedd4
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Jury From Another County Will Hear Bustamante Case
Published: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 9:40 AM CST
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The case of Alyssa Bustamante will be heard by a jury made up of citizens from a county other than Cole County.

During a status hearing Tuesday before Cole County Presiding Judge Pat Joyce, Cole County Prosecutor Mark Richardson argued that it would be easier to bring in a jury due to the amount of evidence and witnesses that will be associated with this case.

Bustamante's lawyer, Donald Catlett, agreed with that conclussion.

Catlett said he had not had a chance to look at what counties they would deem acceptable. He also said they are just now starting to go through the discovery evidence in this case so they are not yet ready to say when they would be ready for trial.

She is scheduled to be in the courtroom for her next status hearing March 8 when a decision could be made on what county the jury would be selected from.


Article:
http://www.newstribune.com/articles/2010/02/16/breaking_news/doc4b7ab845db99a276242994.txt
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Bustamante trial to stay in Cole Co., jurors to be brought in from elsewhere
2/16/10
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Bustamante is being represented by two attorneys from Columbia, Boone County &#8212; Donald Catlett and Charles Moreland &#8212; both with capital litigation division of the State Public Defender&#8217;s Office.

Bustamante&#8217;s legal counsel asked in December for a change in venue, but at today&#8217;s hearing, Prosecutor Mark Richardson says &#8220;he expects to call a large number of witnesses&#8221; and that it would be a burden to Elizabeth&#8217;s family to have to travel.

Catlett said he still is waiting to receive copies of police reports and other evidence needed for a trial; a date has not yet been set.

Bustamante was not present in the courtroom today, but will be at the March 8 hearing. Members of the Olten family were in the courtroom.


AUDIO: Bustamante status hearing [Download / listen Mp3, 3:31]
http://www.missourinet.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Bustamante-for-Web-021610.MP3

Article:
http://www.missourinet.com/2010/02/...le-co-jurors-to-be-brought-in-from-elsewhere/

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I would be shocked if trial started in a year, personally.

From the way things go with other trials I follow, now adding your expert opinion to it makes me believe the same :(
It really makes me feel for the wrongly accused, though!
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D89xfxKx_Ak
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Out-of-Town Jury to Hear Bustamante Trial
Tuesday, Feb 16, 2010 @02:42pm CST
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An out-of-town jury will hear the trial of a teenager accused of killing nine-year-old Elizabeth Olten. Attorneys for Bustamante requested a change of venue, but prosecutor Mark Richardson asked for the out-of-town jury due to the amount of evidence and the number of local witnesses in the case. Bustamante's attorney agreed to the arrangement. Bustamante has pleaded not guilty.

Video: Out-of-Town Jury to Hear Bustamante Trial
http://ozarksfirst.com/content/video/?cid=236352

Article:
http://ozarksfirst.com/content/fulltext/?cid=236352
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Lawyers in Bustamante case to decide from where to import jury
Tuesday, February 16, 2010 at 6:39 p.m.
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Judge Pat Joyce granted the change of venue during a hearing Tuesday morning at the Cole County courthouse. Alyssa Bustamante now awaits trial for the murder of nine-year-old Elizabeth Olten in the Morgan County Jail, where Bustamante turned 16 years old.

Bustamante did not appear in court for the proceeding, but was represented by her attorney Donald Catlett. On the question of venue, Cole County Prosecutor Mark Richardson was opposed to taking the trial on the road because of the number of witnesses he expects to call and out of respect to Elizabeth Olten's family.

"It would be burdensome for them to move to another county,&#8221; Richardson said. &#8220;What the state would propose is that the court would allow that a jury be selected from another county and brought here for the trial to occur here in Cole County.&#8221;

Catlett agreed, but was not ready to say which county should be tapped for jury selection. &#8220;Since Miss Bustamante isn't here today, I don't think we're really in a position to argue that at this time,&#8221; Catlett said.

Catlett was also unsure of when the defense would be ready to go to trial. "Your honor, we have not received the complete discovery yet, so it's really hard to make any kind of estimate on that until we get a look at all the police reports,&#8221; Catlett said. "And are we gonna be looking at some things from the lab that are gonna delay the trial date?" Joyce said. "I do not believe they will, your honor,&#8221; Richardson said.

Joyce directed the lawyers to return to court March 8 to determine from which county the jury will be chosen.

Bustamante will be in the courtroom at that time.


Video: Lawyers in Bustamante case to decide from where to import jury 1:35
http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/video.aspx?id=417348

Photos: Lawyers in Bustamante case to decide from where to import jury
http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/photos.aspx?id=417348

Article:
http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=417348
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Jury From Another County Will Hear Bustamante Case
Published: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 4:46 AM CST
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The case of Alyssa Bustamante will be heard by a jury made up of citizens from a county other than Cole County.

During a status hearing Tuesday before Cole County Presiding Judge Pat Joyce, Cole County Prosecutor Mark Richardson argued that it would be easier to bring in a jury due to the amount of evidence and witnesses that will be associated with this case. Bustamante's lawyer, Donald Catlett, agreed with that conclussion.

Catlett said he had not had a chance to look at what counties they would deem acceptable. He also said they are just now starting to go through the discovery evidence in this case so they are not yet ready to say when they would be ready for trial.

She is scheduled to be in the courtroom for her next status hearing March 8 when a decision could be made on what county the jury would be selected from.


Article:
http://www.newstribune.com/articles/2010/02/17/news_local/doc4b7ab845db99a276242994.txt
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Killing for the thrill
Posted at: 02/17/2010 9:18 AM
Updated at: 02/17/2010 9:58 AM
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Many Missouri community and family members, struck hard by the death of Elizabeth Olten, are struggling to make sense of the fact that a local teenager is charged with Elizabeth's murder. A grand jury indictment says 16-year-old Alyssa Bustamante killed her 9-year-old acquaintance by strangulation, cutting her throat and stabbing her. Bustamante is charged as an adult.

Family and friends shared intimate details with us about both girls, answering some of the many unanswered questions about how such a thing could happen. In exclusive video her friends shared, Alyssa Bustamante looks like a typical teen riding on a school bus, laughing, joking and sometimes hamming it up for the camera held by a classmate.

She says to another student on the bus, &#8220;I&#8217;m gonna pop a cap in your ***.&#8221; It&#8217;s something a lot of kids jokingly say to others these days. But when that kid is Alyssa Bustamante, now accused of murdering for the thrill of it, that statement raises eyebrows.

Lindsey Jones showed us the video she took of her friend Alyssa nearly a year ago. Jones wanted us to see a different side of Bustamante. Besides that one statement, most of the video shows Bustamante as an outgoing, loud and joking kid. "I want to remember Alyssa as I know her, as I think she still is. I believe she&#8217;s a troubled girl who made a decision and didn&#8217;t really think it out.&#8221; Jones said.

Alyssa's public image is much different. Some have called her a teenaged monster after learning that she is charged with murdering Elizabeth Olten. Others have said Bustamante had been planning to hurt someone.

Experts have also testified that Bustamante was on Prozac. At the time of Elizabeth Olten's murder, Bustamante was living with her grandmother. The grandmother had tried to help Alyssa cope with depression and a recent suicide attempt. Alyssa Bustamante and Elizabeth Olten lived several houses apart in St. Martins, a small town just west of Jefferson City.

Authorities say Bustamante plotted Elizabeth's murder for months. Sources close to the investigation say Bustamante intended to kill and bury only one person that October afternoon. That leaves this question unanswered: Why did she dig two graves in the wooded area near her home?

Global news outlets are now covering the story. So are student reporters with the Jefferson City High School student paper, "The Red and Black". Bustamante is supposed to be a sophomore at Jefferson City High. In covering the story, student reporters say they have learned about a regular kid, with a sweet side, who hid emotional scars.

Alyssa was known to cut herself and even attempted suicide. &#8220;I know that she had been to therapy before. I know that she had the history with the cutting and that she had tried to kill herself,&#8221; says Julie Blankenship, the lead student reporter on the story for "The Red and Black".

Blankenship says the murder has had a great impact on students at the high school. She says many students became upset and angry when the news broke. Now, the tone inside school hallways is returning back to normal.


Video: Killing for the thrill 2:16
http://www.whec.com/videos/stories/S1420470.shtml?cat=610

Article:
http://www.whec.com/news/stories/S1420470.shtml?cat=565
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Jurors for Bustamante trial will not be from Cole Countuy
Posted: Wednesday, Feb 17, 2010 - 11:05:21 am CST
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During a status hearing Tuesday morning before Cole County Presiding Judge Pat Joyce, Cole County Prosecutor Mark Richardson argued it would be easier to bring in a jury due to the amount of evidence and witnesses that will be associated with the case. Bustamante's lawyer, Donald Catlett, agreed with that conclusion.

Joyce had excused Bustamante from being in the courtroom Tuesday, but Catlett said her presence will be needed during a March 8 status hearing, when a decision could be made on which county will be used to choose jurors for the trial.

Bustamante, now 16, remains held in the Morgan County Jail, for Cole County. "We're not doing anything special for her," said Morgan County Sheriff's Department Chief Deputy Tim Harlin. "She's being held in general population and being treated as an adult." He added: "We've had other cases like her's before.

"We had a 15-year-old male inmate at one time. We do take into consideration their age and keep an extra eye on them. We can make arrangements if something special is needed, but we've had no problems with her while she's been here."
Harlin said she is offered anything other prisoners would be eligible to get, including religious services, but is not receiving any education at this time. He said that's not unusual.

Spokesman David Luther confirmed Bustamante is no longer a student in Jefferson City Public Schools. While privacy issues prevented Luther from talking about specifics on Bustamante's status with the district, state education officials have said that, in effect, she has been expelled or placed on long-term suspension because of an allegation of a criminal act. DESE said that's covered as actions districts are allowed to take under the Safe Schools Act, and a student facing these allegations is not entitled to education services.


Article:
http://www.fultonsun.com/articles/2010/02/17/news/332news05.txt

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"Counsel status hearing is scheduled for March 8, 2010 at 11:30 a.m."
from http://www.colecountycourts.com/courtnews.htm

AndresEscobar (or anyone with legal knowledge), can you tell me what this means? And why would her lawyers request she appear in person (this detail is mentioned at the link)?
TIA!!!
 
Does anyone know anything about AB's mother? I've seen CaseNet and know that she's bounced from public house to public house and has had a few minor charges (alcohol, marijuana, and rent and possession). But does anyone know about her appearance, reputation in the community, her overall demeanor, her maiden name?
 
Does anyone know anything about AB's mother? I've seen CaseNet and know that she's bounced from public house to public house and has had a few minor charges (alcohol, marijuana, and rent and possession). But does anyone know about her appearance, reputation in the community, her overall demeanor, her maiden name?

There is not going to be any sleuthing of AB's mother here at WS, unless she was involved in Elizabeth's murder. And she clearly wasn't.

Hoppy
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I heard a program on public radio that said that they found that if soldiers did not have a commanding officer in their platoon or whatever it is called, soldiers would fire to miss or they wouldn't fire. They had to have someone in charge to tell them to do it.Soldiers have to have a tremendous amount of
"training" to have them operate in the military.

I don't think people have the killer gene as some people try to say. There is a lot more evidence to the contrary , but I can't remember what it is.

One source that you may be thinking of is the book On Killing by Dave Grossman. I recommend this book often and have given away more copies than I can count.

Still catching up on thread after some time away. AWC, a quick scan showed me I owe you more than thanks already. I am by no means a religious person, but the way you keep the lost ones present to us is no less than a miracle. And for that, no thanks button powerful enough.
 
Thanks for your hard work Angel

One thing that was "new to me"....when they said that Allysa had been plotting Elizabeth's murder for months? It sounds now as if this was even more premeditated and more targeted than was generally known before???
 
http://www.kmiz.com/news/story.php?id=16307

Motion Would Allow Bustamante to Shed Jail Garb
Lawyers for Alyssa Bustamante filed a motion this week seeking to allow the girl to wear her own clothes at a hearing scheduled Monday.

Posted on Thu Mar 4, 2010
Last updated 19 min ago

A motion filed Wednesday in Cole County Circuit Court would allow a teen girl accused of murder to wear her own clothes at a hearing next week.


Alyssa Bustamante is accused of killing 9-year-old Elizabeth Olten in October in St. Martins. She is scheduled to be in court Monday for a counsel status hearing.


In court documents, lawyers for Alyssa argue the move to allow her to wear her own clothes is an effort to "preserve her right to a fair trial ..."


"Requiring an accused person to display herself to the jury in jail clothing impairs the presumption of innocence and the fairness of the trial," the court documents say.
 
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