There is electrical outlet just outside the door @1:27. Is there any possibility of that getting knocked off exposing bare wires? Maybe the guys were using that door to quick step out and take a wizz? Was it drissling or a wet snow starting that night? Could a bare wire in a puddle cause them to become incapacitated? ~Just thinking outsdie the box here.
This brings to mind a scientific test I did at uni many, many years ago. My project involved testing people drinking alcohol in the cold. The uni I went to had a cold weather-controlled chamber. I provided alcohol to some subjects and non-alcohol to others as they exercised on a bike. The alcohol-drinking group had warmer superficial temperatures and 'felt' warmer, but their core temperatures were very much lower.<modsnip: Quoted post was removed>
Plenty of studies on alcohol impairing one's judgement, ability to reason and react responsibly and rationally exist.
I recall numerous cases of drunken people being found frozen to death here in Canada. Sometimes right in their yards etc when a person comes outside the next morning ... they, nor neighbours having reported hearing the individual fussing while dying.
Study of Hypothermia Finds Link to Alcohol (Published 1982)
www.nytimes.com
This link is distressing. The father was drunk and took his two littles outside with him while intoxicated. He though it was fine outside. They died. He lived.
Autopsy confirms Vermont student found frozen to death was intoxicated
Connor Gage, of Little Falls, New York, was found lying in the snow in a parking lot behind a business in Burlington just before 11am on Saturday. An autopsy confirmed he had been intoxicated.www.dailymail.co.uk
Teen Passes Out In Subzero Weather After Drinking Game
Teen Passes Out In Subzero Weather After Drinking Gamewww.huffpost.com
Fatality inquiries start for young men found dead in cold near Edmonton bar - Edmonton | Globalnews.ca
Fatality inquiries began Monday for two young men who were found dead in freezing conditions after leaving an Edmonton nightclub -- one in the winter of 2017 and the other in 2018.globalnews.ca
Iowa State University student's death shows need for safety measures in freezing weather
Alcohol intoxication can make situations with already dangerously cold weather more treacherous. Here are some ways to stay safe.www.desmoinesregister.com
Freezing to Death: How It Happens in the US
More than 13,000 US residents froze to death from 2003 to 2013, according to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC.) The CDC has a name for that, environmental hypothermia.In an attempt to determine just how common that is in the US, CDC researcher Jon Meiman, MD and colleagues...www.hcplive.com
Minnesota college student freezes to death after falling in creek, passing out in snow following night out drinking: cops
A Minnesota co-ed went drinking at a party, stumbled into a frozen creek and died after she pulled herself out of the water and passed out in a snow-covered wood, police said. Bemidji State Univers…www.nydailynews.com
Man freezes to death near Brampton schools after night of drinking - Toronto | Globalnews.ca
A coroner has ruled the death of a man found near some schools in Brampton, Ont., as accidental.
Lesson: Alcohol and cold (nor freezing temperatures) do NOT mix well.
This ^^^ Thank you @Curious Me
Moo...you can say maybe you shouldn't drive you can crash here...but people still think they are ok. The other choice is to phone police n say they are to drunk to drive...but they are friends so you don't phone the cops cause it will cause them problems. They have (probably) all partied together many times. The other 2 guys may have been in their own party world and not even noticed....moo
They all do look like nice guys with long and lasting friendships. Their families and loved ones seem like really nice folks. I feel badly for them, that they're experiencing this tragedy to lose their beloved sons/partners/brothers/father. I do hope there is clarity in the end for them and that they don't have to suffer not knowing the truth.
Also with a couple big windows looking out back. I want to know when the dogs were moved because #4 would have had to let them out.
I don’t find the fan on in the winter unusual. I often have my ceiling fans on in the dead of winter.
Thank you. You’re correct.
Was it windy that night? If it was windy, or even breezy, I doubt they were doing lines or bumps in the back yard, as the powder would blow away. Super unusual to snort anything outdoors, especially at night (personal experience from long, long, LONG ago). It had to be in the house or in one of the cars if it was coke or some other inhalable powder drug, IMO. Just jumping off your comment, as I agree with you! I wish the tox results would hurry up.
Kind of doubtful ...but that's good to think outside the box.
Also what about the back fence ? Was there a gate that was locked and/or difficult to get through ?
Agreed.
I'd be interested in knowing this as well.
Agreed. In order to be criminally charged there would need to be evidence of negligence or reckless action taken that resulted in death. If you left some drug pills in a bowl unattended and some kid helped themselves to it, that would be considered reckless action. If you offered cocaine to your friends and they willingly took it, that's not a criminal offense. You could certainly have a civil suit filed against you.
I still don't understand. So, JW missed two days of work? A lot of employers would have sounded the alarm part way through the second day by contacting an emergency contact. MOO
Am hoping the families will have answers and some kind of peace ... regardless of those answers !All MOO here-- What I've been worried about is whether some of the victim family members will accept the findings. For instance-- Will they be able to accept maybe the three took something, voluntarily, maybe some recreational drug they might only do occasionally, that one of the three had on them, and it turned out to be deadly?
MOO, family members will still want to go after who sold / gave the 3 any drugs probably and demand that. If it's drug toxicity related, then I'm wondering if the family members will still cling to the idea they have, saying JW concocted something lethal, maybe because in their view the men saw something and he decided to kill them?
So, what I'm saying is if the toxicology report and other findings shows fentanyl related drug deaths, then the family members are most probably going to push to find out where those drugs came from. I'm not sure they'll stop looking at JW to blame.
The accounts still aren't very consistent between #4's & #5's stories. Odd unexplained things are left dangling for answers. I wish the details could get straightened and confirmed. ALL MOO
'Devastated' Kansas City Scientist Whose Friends Died in Backyard Missed Funerals Because of 'Wild Speculation': Report
A source close to Jordan Willis, the Kansas City scientist who plunged into the national spotlight after three of his friends died in his backyard after a football game, said he will not be attending their funeral because of wild speculation on his involvement in their deaths, according to a report.themessenger.com
"No one seems to be willing to wait for the results of the toxicology report or wait for any other facts from the police department from a case that is still under investigation to make these speculations,” the source said.
Until this investigation is concluded, we may not know if his employer contacted him or not ?
