MO - Furious Friends Demand Answers After 3 Men Found Dead at Kansas City Home Days After Watching Football Game, January 2024 #2

[cuffem]

I'd like to know about the car keys and phones too! I would think if they were going to consume drugs, it would have been earlier and throughout the evening, not just as they were leaving. So, were they not using that particular drug earlier in the evening? (If it was indeed drugs). And if they had used other drugs earlier, where did the fatal drugs come from, and why did they only pull it out as they were leaving? Or did they go out to get more drugs, then return to the back yard. MOO.

I think you are reading my mind.

 

[Chimera]

I would like to know more on when the dogs were moved and who moved them.
I could swear I read the 5th person saw the dogs at 7pm? I could be wrong. It is hard to tell with these 2 lawyers making comments for them.

Bbm.
ITA.
It's like a game of 'telephone'.

 

[Kingsley]

Homebodies?

@CrimeDawg123
What adult does not leave home for 2 - 3 days?
Not going to try to quantify w number, but lots. Not saying majority.
Numerous posters have said they do that sometimes.I know some ppl who do that.

And for adults who work from home, as JW did at least part time, a higher percentage.

Adding wet, snowy weather to the mix and we have a bit of “hunkering down” possible as well

 

[jackietalk]

You're not the first person to bring up cyanide. How does cyanide work as far as poisons go? Is it liquid or solid? And what would be your thoughts surrounding where it came from and why they might have consumed it?

cyanide can be gas, liquid or solid, and there are actually cyanide pills. Idk why someone would acquire them in this situation, but it would probably take about 15/30 minutes to kill someone.

 

[al66pine]

Cyanide Poisoning?

You're not the first person to bring up cyanide. How does cyanide work as far as poisons go? Is it liquid or solid? And what would be your thoughts surrounding where it came from and why they might have consumed it?

@Forest_Wood For,a start, here ya go.
"Cyanide poisoning is poisoning that results from exposure to any of a number of forms of cyanide.[4] Early symptoms include headache, dizziness, fast heart rate, shortness of breath, and vomiting.[2] This phase may then be followed by seizures, slow heart rate, low blood pressure, loss of consciousness, and cardiac arrest.[2] Onset of symptoms usually occurs within a few minutes.[2][3]....
"Acute exposure
"If hydrogen cyanide is inhaled, it can cause a coma with seizures, apnea, and cardiac arrest, with death following in a matter of seconds. At lower doses, loss of consciousness may be preceded by general weakness, dizziness, headaches, vertigo, confusion, and perceived difficulty in breathing. At the first stages of unconsciousness, breathing is often sufficient or even rapid, although the state of the person progresses towards a deep coma, sometimes accompanied by pulmonary edema, and finally cardiac arrest."

A lot more info at link for your reading pleasure.

Personally not gonna Google --- where to buy cyanide.

 

[Curious Me]

All MOO here-- What I've been worried about is whether some of the victim family members will accept the findings. For instance-- Will they be able to accept maybe the three took something, voluntarily, maybe some recreational drug they might only do occasionally, that one of the three had on them, and it turned out to be deadly?

MOO, family members will still want to go after who sold / gave the 3 any drugs probably and demand that. If it's drug toxicity related, then I'm wondering if the family members will still cling to the idea they have, saying JW concocted something lethal, maybe because in their view the men saw something and he decided to kill them?

So, what I'm saying is if the toxicology report and other findings shows fentanyl related drug deaths, then the family members are most probably going to push to find out where those drugs came from. I'm not sure they'll stop looking at JW to blame.

The accounts still aren't very consistent between #4's & #5's stories. Odd unexplained things are left dangling for answers. I wish the details could get straightened and confirmed. ALL MOO

'Devastated' Kansas City Scientist Whose Friends Died in Backyard Missed Funerals Because of 'Wild Speculation': Report

A source close to Jordan Willis, the Kansas City scientist who plunged into the national spotlight after three of his friends died in his backyard after a football game, said he will not be attending their funeral because of wild speculation on his involvement in their deaths, according to a report.

themessenger.com

"No one seems to be willing to wait for the results of the toxicology report or wait for any other facts from the police department from a case that is still under investigation to make these speculations,” the source said. ​

 

[cuffem]

Unless you'd passed out due to the effects of alcohol IMO.

But all 3 and not one could make it inside to get help? Low chance imo.
I am thinking these men had a high tolerance for alcohol.moo.

 

[Forest_Wood]

All MOO here-- What I've been worried about is whether some of the victim family members will accept the findings. For instance-- Will they be able to accept maybe the three took something, voluntarily, maybe some recreational drug they might only do occasionally, that one of the three had on them, and it turned out to be deadly?

MOO, family members will still want to go after who sold / gave the 3 any drugs probably and demand that. If it's drug toxicity related, then I'm wondering if the family members will still cling to the idea they have, saying JW concocted something lethal, maybe because in their view the men saw something and he decided to kill them?

So, what I'm saying is if the toxicology report and other findings shows fentanyl related drug deaths, then the family members are most probably going to push to find out where those drugs came from. I'm not sure they'll stop looking at JW to blame.

The accounts still aren't very consistent between #4's & #5's stories. Odd unexplained things are left dangling for answers. I wish the details could get straightened and confirmed. ALL MOO

'Devastated' Kansas City Scientist Whose Friends Died in Backyard Missed Funerals Because of 'Wild Speculation': Report

A source close to Jordan Willis, the Kansas City scientist who plunged into the national spotlight after three of his friends died in his backyard after a football game, said he will not be attending their funeral because of wild speculation on his involvement in their deaths, according to a report.

themessenger.com

"No one seems to be willing to wait for the results of the toxicology report or wait for any other facts from the police department from a case that is still under investigation to make these speculations,” the source said. ​

I found it interesting to watch Banfield's interview with David Harrington's mother. His mother talked about speaking with two detectives. She stated that the first officer told her that JW's story added up and the detective said, "I'm not really allowed to go into very much but ... when it's all released, it's going to make sense."

Banfield

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She then called back a couple weeks later because it didn't sit right and she got more of an answer that she wanted/needed to hear imo (which was basically that they were still investigating).

 

[Curious Me]

....The three friends leave and JW goes upstairs to bed or passes out on the sofa. As the other three are walking to their cars, one says he has some coke in his pocket/in his car and asks if anyone wants to do a quick bump to keep them alert for the drive home/help them sober up. (Note: This is not a practice I endorse, but I have had friends over the years who would've done just this.) They try to go back inside, but the door is locked, so they let themselves into the backyard for some privacy. Ultimately, the cocaine is cut with fentanyl, which is either instantly lethal... snipped to reply​

Wait, you forgot your jacket if you're leaving to go home! Was the front door locked? Wouldn't he want his jacket before doing a bump in the back yard, like pound on the sliding glass door or something?

Was it easy to just get into the back yard then?

Why not do the bump of coke in one of their cars?

I was going along with your speculations, @sprightly, which seemed plausible, but these questions kept popping up and I realize there's no way any of us can answer them or confirm them.

BBM/UBM​

 

[jjleroche]

But all 3 and not one could make it inside to get help? Low chance imo.
I am thinking these men had a high tolerance for alcohol.moo.

If the men were "paralytic" which seems possible, especially if they been celebrating the Chiefs' win, their cognitive abilities would be impaired. IMO in this state, outside in freezing conditions, they could conceivably pass out, with hypothermia setting in rapidly. Their cognitive abilities would have been adversely affected, whether or not illicit drugs were involved. JMO

Hypothermia - Symptoms and causes

www.mayoclinic.org

 

[cuffem]

Wait, you forgot your jacket if you're leaving to go home! Was the front door locked? Wouldn't he want his jacket before doing a bump in the back yard, like pound on the sliding glass door or something?

Was it easy to just get into the back yard then?

Why not do the bump of coke in one of their cars?

I was going along with your speculations, @sprightly, which seemed plausible, but these questions kept popping up and I realize there's no way any of us can answer them or confirm them.

BBM/UBM​

Has it been said if these guys were cig smokers? Could have gone out to smoke cig not allowed in house. Just a guess.

 

[Forest_Wood]

cyanide can be gas, liquid or solid, and there are actually cyanide pills. Idk why someone would acquire them in this situation, but it would probably take about 15/30 minutes to kill someone.

Thank you. I don't know why there would be cyanide hanging around there in this case.

 

[Forest_Wood]

Cyanide Poisoning?

@Forest_Wood For,a start, here ya go.
"Cyanide poisoning is poisoning that results from exposure to any of a number of forms of cyanide.[4] Early symptoms include headache, dizziness, fast heart rate, shortness of breath, and vomiting.[2] This phase may then be followed by seizures, slow heart rate, low blood pressure, loss of consciousness, and cardiac arrest.[2] Onset of symptoms usually occurs within a few minutes.[2][3]....
"Acute exposure
"If hydrogen cyanide is inhaled, it can cause a coma with seizures, apnea, and cardiac arrest, with death following in a matter of seconds. At lower doses, loss of consciousness may be preceded by general weakness, dizziness, headaches, vertigo, confusion, and perceived difficulty in breathing. At the first stages of unconsciousness, breathing is often sufficient or even rapid, although the state of the person progresses towards a deep coma, sometimes accompanied by pulmonary edema, and finally cardiac arrest."

A lot more info at link for your reading pleasure.

Personally not gonna Google --- where to buy cyanide.

Thank you @al66pine. It's very unlikely to me if it was cyanide, but who knows!

 

[MyBelle]

Thank you @al66pine. It's very unlikely to me if it was cyanide, but who knows!

I think #5 knows and that is why he retained a criminal defense attorney who has taken on JW's attorney with petty stuff such as claiming JW's dogs were present.

JMO

 

[Interested_But_Confused]

On the subject of JW not hearing people calling or knocking, I often wear noise-cancelling headphones when I'm sleeping or working--I'm doing it now, actually. Someone can be hammering on my door and sometimes I don't hear them. I usually do, but not always.

Nothing about JW's story strikes me as particularly unbelievable, even if the situation as a whole is a bizarre confluence of events.

 

[Curious Me]

Has it been said if these guys were cig smokers? Could have gone out to smoke cig not allowed in house. Just a guess.​

I don't know that either. All I know is questionable and unconfirmed. It has started to get to me. Such a disturbing mystery. There's some wild speculations being shared. I feel upset by these deaths, and I think many here do.

JMO, sure, @cuffem, going out for a smoke seems logical. It's not a wild idea. Yes, it's possible one or more were cig or weed smokers. Then, all three die out there??? How's that happen? I would think if any of them were cig smokers, then they went out to smoke several times during their somewhat long visit and made it back inside alive.

My last post was questioning the speculations that they left, couldn't get in the front door, went to back yard to do a coke bump.... but as someone else questioned-- the only lethal drugs they do was at the end of the evening? Seems odd.

It's got to be hard to accept for all their loved ones. They look like such nice guys. Took a lot of photos together. They were real friends. Ended up dying together. Dying too young and will be missed greatly.

I'm trying to keep an open mind on their cause of death. Leaning more towards fentanyl-related, as in it might end up being some occasional drug use, and they didn't know that time it was deadly laced and fast acting. The fentanyl crisis is very real is all I'm saying. MOO​

 

[10ofRods]

Yeah, like let's go have a quick cig before we leave (maybe because whoever was driving doesn't like people smoking in the car - that happens a lot), so dude inside was drugged but warm and just passed out but not in the cold and the other 3 just made that unlucky choice to go outside for a few minutes and during those minutes is when the drug really kicked in rendering them unconscious. Then the cold/snow comes along on top of their already unconscious bodies and that's what did it. All just my opinion, of course!

Or because nicotine is plainly and biochemically an upper? Whereas alcohol is a central nervous system depressant? So maybe more reasons than just etiquette. The way the story has been reported the deceased left "cars" (plural) outside. So at least one person was driving alone.

I agree that they may have had a "drug kick in" outside, in the cold, but statistically and unfortunately, that drug may well be alcohol.

IMO. It's likely that cold and alcohol, alone, could have caused each to fall into unconsciousness, one by one and within minutes of each other. Or within an hour.

It didn't get much colder (or snowier) that night if it is true that they went into the back yard around 2 am. The fact that one man's jacket was found inside says to me that they planned to leave through the front door and two people thought it worthy of donning their jackets just to go into the backyard, to do whatever they did there.

Totally agree that they lapsed into unconsciousness (not knowing how cold they were going to get/judgment impaired) and that was it for them.

IMO.

 

[nao]

Moo...the 3 men were adults and had the choice to partake in whatever substance. I understand why to other 2 men lawyered up. Though probably more for possible civil claims. I do not see how either men could or would be held responsible for supply. The 3 men could easily of brought their own party supply with them. But it is pretty natural for family members to want to lay blame. Moo...but I do not believe there will be criminal charges against anyone... moo

 

[TIGER0822]

Yes but in your bedroom the entire time?

If any of the three had their phone with them, LE would know what time they left the house and how long it was before they stopped moving. They may already know this but waiting on toxicology to confirm their assumptions before releasing information to the public.

The phones were either with them, or ringing off the hook in the rental unit... moo

 

[cuffem]

Or because nicotine is plainly and biochemically an upper? Whereas alcohol is a central nervous system depressant? So maybe more reasons than just etiquette. The way the story has been reported the deceased left "cars" (plural) outside. So at least one person was driving alone.

I agree that they may have had a "drug kick in" outside, in the cold, but statistically and unfortunately, that drug may well be alcohol.

IMO. It's likely that cold and alcohol, alone, could have caused each to fall into unconsciousness, one by one and within minutes of each other. Or within an hour.

It didn't get much colder (or snowier) that night if it is true that they went into the back yard around 2 am. The fact that one man's jacket was found inside says to me that they planned to leave through the front door and two people thought it worthy of donning their jackets just to go into the backyard, to do whatever they did there.

Totally agree that they lapsed into unconsciousness (not knowing how cold they were going to get/judgment impaired) and that was it for them.

IMO.

If they were that drunk why would #4 and #5 let them leave to drive home. They would have seen that they were too drunk to drive let alone they would have been too drunk to go get help after one passed out?
just a thought.