MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #13

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I have finally come to the conclusion that PROOF for some on either side of this debated shooting will never exist unless it is video evidence and folks we are not going to see video of the "serious altercation" at the car or the actual shooting or all that occurred or did not occur start to finish. And even if video did surface (at the same time monkeys fly from my butt) there will be those who argue its authenticity because it does not support their POV.

The circular debate about whether there was a punch or the injuries sustained therefrom or if there was a struggle for the gun or who initiated it will never end because unless someone shows video of all of those things happening, in the minds of some nothing less will suffice as PROOF.

Well that is not going to be forthcoming and everyone feels how they feel about this case and despite folks claiming they have an open mind and are waiting for evidence to come to light it is clear that even if and when it does (either way, you understand, either side of this topic) it will still be disputed by those who have already decided what occurred and nothing will be swaying that decision. What folks on both sides of this issue who have already dug in deeply to their POV mean when they say they are waiting for evidence to decide mean with that statement is that they are waiting for evidence to come to light which supports what they have already decided and if it does not it will not be considered evidence.

Done debating, done finding links to back my own POV because it is quite frankly pointless. I will continue to check for news and updates but stick a fork in me. I am done.

True dat, playa

For real

I don't mind finding links and proof for people who say they need to see proof or links to make up their minds.

I don't mind the people who support MB, et al and believe all LE to be lying, cheating, killing pigs.

It is however, bothersome when someone claims to need proof to make up their minds, then tries to discredit such proof, because in truthfulness they've already made up their mind. It gunks up the threads with needless chatter.

Just be honest where you stand, it's all good. :peace:
 
I hope for his sake MB finished at the PAL-alternative school. Anything would be better than the descriptions of Normandy HS. His father said MB graduated via a program that allowed him to "set his own pace". Maybe Normandy offers such a program apart from the regular classes. The PAL-alternative school seems to tailor a curriculum to fit a particular student. I don't know where MB ended up, what kind of diploma he received [college/vocational/general], but I think it's safe to say MB was not well-prepared for post-high school studies. In the long and MB friendly NYT piece last Sunday, MB reportedly thought about working at the same market his friend Brian worked at. He thought about working at the Family Dollar his cousin managed. He took up rapping and thought of doing that as a career. He had a lot of thoughts that seem to have never translated into action, at least according to those close to him who talked to the NYT. His unsubstantiated decision to become a heat/air technician didn't seem to be a thought he mentioned to any friend quoted.

How can we say that he was "not well prepared for post-high school studies" when he was enrolled in a postsecondary institution already and was due to start classes 2 days after he was killed. His working or not working at a dollar store or market doesn't have a thing to do with his career aspirations. Not everyone has a job at 18. Obviously, he was focusing on his studies instead.
 
You cannot convince me that the American public wants peace. Not with all the constant wars, not with the militarized police, not with all the citizens that are armed to the teeth. That's not the kind of "peace" I want! Also, other countries have laws too. And police officers. Even prisons. What we don't have is nearly as many police killings or citizen killings.

IMO

Define militarized police please.

The American right to arms is huge here.
Personally, I wish it wasn't.

The police have to protect themselves and the community from the ever increasing organized highly weaponsized gangs and people bent on killing as many as humanly possible. IMO




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How can we say that he was "not well prepared for post-high school studies" when he was enrolled in a postsecondary institution already and was due to start classes 2 days after he was killed. His working or not working at a dollar store or market doesn't have a thing to do with his career aspirations. Not everyone has a job at 18. Obviously, he was focusing on his studies instead.

Obviously focused on his studies ???

What?


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You cannot convince me that the American public wants peace. Not with all the constant wars, not with the militarized police, not with all the citizens that are armed to the teeth. That's not the kind of "peace" I want! Also, other countries have laws too. And police officers. Even prisons. What we don't have is nearly as many police killings or citizen killings.

I want peace and I'm a American..
 
Wait, sorry, weren't you the one initially putting down on alternative schools, saying that only delinquents went to them and implying they didn't get any actual work done (which I disproved with the story about my nephew). And now you are defending them? Confused. Besides, MB was going to his neighborhood, normal curriculum high school (Normandy) not an alternative school, anyway. And we don't actually know why he changed schools - that's all speculation.

Didn't you just say you weren't in the USA? Maybe it's different where you live? I dunno
In my state of SC, alternative schools are for kids with behavior/disruptive problems.
 
Warning: First of all you need to be respectful when you are posting an opposing view. Not everyone sees things the same way.

Secondly from here on out if you do not abide by the rules, kiss and hug your post because it is going bye-bye.

Are we clear on this? It starts right after this post and if we don't want to follow the rules I will personally ask that the thread by closed while we do a clean up.
 
And the take away should be?

Because the message I am hearing....it's perfectly okay to commit a strong armed robbery, disobey an officer of the law and it's acceptable to assault a police officer.
Mike Brown should have been permitted to continue skipping down the street ....
Mike Brown was no saint, no innocent cherub. He's not the one to be held out as some sacrificial lamb that was slaughtered in the street.

No! The take away should be ....STOP committing violent crimes. When caught, surrender, don't flee, don't attack officers, don't reach for their guns. It's dangerous and by doing so ....death is a very real possibility.

All IMO


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BBM

Of course it's not okay to commit strong-armed robbery, nor is it acceptable to assault a police officer. I don't think anyone has stated that either of these crimes are okay.

Officer Wilson was justified in pursuing Mike Brown. But was he justified in killing him? That's the all-important question.

At this point in time, though, we don't know whether or not Mike Brown may have been surrendering when he was fatally shot by Officer Wilson.

It's one thing for a police officer to pursue a suspected felon. It's a whole 'nother thing for that officer to shoot & kill a suspected felon, especially when several witnesses claim that MB was allegedly surrendering when he was shot & killed.

One side says this, the other side says that... but until all the facts are known, the truth is anybody's guess at this point.

If MB was charging at Officer Wilson when the fatal shots were fired, the forensic evidence (ballistics trajectory, GSR evidence, autopsy x-rays, etc.) will provide information to help determine whether or not it was a justified shooting.

If MB was not charging at Officer Wilson when those final shots were fired, but was indeed surrendering when he was fatally shot, then MB's family, as well as the public, deserves to know the truth.
 
Obviously focused on his studies ???

What?


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Sorry, what part was unclear? He had finished high school (big accomplishment in some poorer U.S. neighborhoods) and he was enrolled in a vocational college program (even bigger accomplishment, given the circumstances). I was allowed to live at home and "just" be a student at age 18. Not that uncommon for someone to focus on their studies at that age.
 
How can we say that he was "not well prepared for post-high school studies" when he was enrolled in a postsecondary institution already and was due to start classes 2 days after he was killed. His working or not working at a dollar store or market doesn't have a thing to do with his career aspirations. Not everyone has a job at 18. Obviously, he was focusing on his studies instead.

The technical college would not confirm his enrollment.
 
Didn't you just say you weren't in the USA? Maybe it's different where you live? I dunno
In my state of SC, alternative schools are for kids with behavior/disruptive problems.
I'm Canadian and the alternative schools here are the same as yours. For kids with behavior problems. Most have been permanently expelled from regular high schools for drugs, violence, etc...
 
BBM SBM

^^^^^^^^Yes, if Piaget's vid started 30 sec after shooting, how was crime tape tied into place so quickly?^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Did she use camera? Or cell?
How long would fully charged device last?
Exactly. So where is the rest of this video? From 30 seconds after the shooting to where we start seeing it? There are several minites missing if she began recording when she says she did. Moo

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The officer in question, is a black Ferguson officer. And the protestors are directing their anger at him. And that is what I have seen happen here a lot too. Minority communities say they want MORE minority officers, and yet they disrespect and verbally abuse them when it happens, imo.

But, the people of Ferguson want hope and change right?
 
They didn't know their elected officials were elected????
WTH?

Tell me more about "civil rights" ferguson residents...eyeroll

...facepalm...





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Good grief. I am so embarassed for these people SMH

Can't AS or JJ give them a quick run down about civil rights? Or someone? Please?
 
But, the people of Ferguson want hope and change right?

Some of them seem to be only concerned with the 'change' in their pockets. They protest and antagonize the police into doing 'something' so they can film them and use it to sue. I'm glad the police are using body cameras now.
 
I'm Canadian and the alternative schools here are the same as yours. For kids with behavior problems. Most have been permanently expelled from regular high schools for drugs, violence, etc...

Not true. At all. Not here in Victoria and surrounding school districts anyway. My nephew has ADHD (controlled) but he never did drugs, doesn't drink and makes good grades. Never expelled. Never a problem with the law. Just preferred to be in a classroom with smaller class sizes, where he could work at his own pace.
 
Didn't you just say you weren't in the USA? Maybe it's different where you live? I dunno
In my state of SC, alternative schools are for kids with behavior/disruptive problems.

In fairness, I'm the one who brought up the alternative school option as a possibility, and that's probably incorrect. OTOH, anyone seriously believe MB was ready for this in 2 days:

"Students receive instruction from industry experienced experts in each HVAC training course in Berkeley. The HVAC Diploma program provides courses in fundamental electricity, refrigeration, air conditioning and heating fundamentals. Students learn how to calculate heating and cooling loads, study techniques for reading and using blueprints, specifications and shop drawings, and receive hands on training for soldering, brazing, wiring, creating duct work and cutting, threading, and joining ferrous piping. The HVAC training courses include topics such as power generation, transformers, induction motors, heat transfer, soldering procedures, humidity control and air cleanliness, blueprints, circuit diagrams, various electrical heating and cooling equipment, iron and steel pipe fittings, belt drives, boilers, forced air distribution and much more."
 
Not true. At all. Not here in Victoria and surrounding school districts anyway. My nephew has ADHD (controlled) but he never did drugs, doesn't drink and makes good grades. Never expelled. Never a problem with the law. Just preferred to be in a classroom with smaller class sizes, where he could work at his own pace.
YES True where I live, in Ontario. I'm glad for your nephew, though.
 
Didn't you just say you weren't in the USA? Maybe it's different where you live? I dunno
In my state of SC, alternative schools are for kids with behavior/disruptive problems.

In Az, it's an opportunity for some students to "fast track" out of high school and into college ALSO. It's done in my area all the time because of the moderate pace used to teach the "average" student in regular public schools.
 
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