MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #14

[TheDuchess]

McCulloch has been St Louis County DA since 1991 iirc. People obviously approve of the job he's doing. He's a Democrat, and he's so popular there's not even a Republican on the ballot in the general election.

He's a DEMOCRAT??? :jawdrop:

 

[TheDuchess]

This deserves more than just hitting the thanks button (which isn't working at the moment for me :waitasec: anyone else?)

:tyou: :goodpost:

Thanks! And yes- mine is all jacked up too! Sometimes I have Thanks as an option, but then get an error message when I click on it. Then other times, it's not even an option. So I know what you mean. There are so many great posts that I would love be thanking like crazy!!! Lots of great people on here keeping me sane and preventing me from getting stabby! :loveyou:

 

[tlcya]

Notice the orange and yellow preprinted signs? This is an organized, coordinated effort to use Ferguson to drive up AA voter turnout in November imo.

While I resent the fact that this particular shooting incident and an imperfect human with flaws has been IMO martyred to do so, if it results in more people actually exercising their rights to affect their own government rather than abdicating their power and whining poor me about it later and using such events as an excuse to do what we called wylding in the 80s - I am all for it. JMO.

 

[DebinGA]

A lot of the animus toward Bob McCulloch is driven by a bitter feud with Co.Exec. Ofc. Dooley:

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_f53113e9-c09b-5ec0-be4f-623fa65dc545.html

 

[Suthrnqt]

Ha, my issue wasn't necessarily about them voting, I wish they knew just the basics about civil rights in general.

Ikr? Wasn't it stated in the previous thread that the citizens of Ferguson didn't even know that elected officials are in fact elected? smh

 

[tlcya]

Thanks! And yes- mine is all jacked up too! Sometimes I have Thanks as an option, but then get an error message when I click on it. Then other times, it's not even an option. So I know what you mean. There are so many great posts that I would love be thanking like crazy!!! Lots of great people on here keeping me sane and preventing me from getting stabby! :loveyou:

sorry for the off topic but this is not a new issue at WS and has nothing IMO to do with recent upgrades. I found this to be the case under the old format too. When you submit a new post to a thread the thanks option often disappears. simply refreshing your screen solves the issue and the thanks option returns. HTHs

 

[sorrell skye]

There's a link ^^^ about two threads ago that stated 12% turnout.

This this will work

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/ferguson-lack-diversity-goes-way-beyond-its-cops
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TY for the link. The article was about Ferguson municipal elections, not county elections.

I get the point, though.

Nevertheless, if the majority of the population of St. Louis County is Caucasian/European American, I think it's probably discouraging to the African American population with regards to electing someone who they feel represents them.

No one collects data on turnout by race in municipal elections. But the overall turnout numbers for Ferguson’s mayoral and city council election are discouraging. This year, just 12.3% of eligible voters cast a ballot, according to numbers provided by the county. In 2013 and 2012, those figures were even lower: 11.7% and 8.9% respectively. As a rule, the lower the turnout, the more the electorate skews white and conservative.

“I think there is a huge distrust in the system,” said Broadnax, a Ferguson native. Many blacks think: “Well it’s not going to matter anyway, so my one vote doesn’t count,” she said. “Well, if you get an entire community to individually feel that way, collectively we’ve already lost.”

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/ferguson-lack-diversity-goes-way-beyond-its-cops

 

[Suthrnqt]

Thanks! And yes- mine is all jacked up too! Sometimes I have Thanks as an option, but then get an error message when I click on it. Then other times, it's not even an option. So I know what you mean. There are so many great posts that I would love be thanking like crazy!!! Lots of great people on here keeping me sane and preventing me from getting stabby! :loveyou:

O/T: One good thing about tapatalk....the thanks button never disappears.

 

[Oceans]

I have a question (that I can't believe I don't know the answer to) but IF the GJ returns a "no true bill" is that the end of it? Or would someone like the feds be able to come in after the fact and appoint a special prosecutor like they did with Trayvon Martin? I know the feds are doing a "parallel" investigation. What's the rush to pull McCullough?

I believe there are two different investigations going on. IMO, if the GJ returns a "no true bill", there will still be the federal "civil rights investigation":

Police investigation

On August 10, Jon Belmar, chief of the St. Louis County Police Department, announced that their department would be in charge of the investigation, after receiving a request from Ferguson Police Chief Tom Jackson to investigate the shooting.[48][89] The Ferguson Police Department initially declined to name the officer involved in the shooting, citing concerns for his safety, and refused to commit to a deadline for releasing a full autopsy report.[76] Robert P. McCulloch, the prosecuting attorney for St. Louis County, will be the official charged with determining if state charges will be filed.[89] On August 20, a grand jury started hearing evidence in the shooting.[90]

County executive Charlie Dooley called for a special prosecutor, saying that McCulloch is "biased and shouldn't handle the case."[91] Democratic politicians said that the investigation should be conducted by a higher authority than the local prosecutor officer because of a poor history of prosecuting law enforcement officers in controversial cases, and said that McCulloch should withdraw.[92]
FBI investigation

On August 11, the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) opened a parallel civil rights investigation into the incident,[10] and United States Attorney General Eric Holder instructed the Justice Department's staff to monitor the developments.[93] According to the spokeswoman for the FBI's St. Louis field office, the protests and riots played no role in the FBI's decision to investigate.[94] On August 13, the U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of Missouri, Richard G. Callahan, announced a civil rights investigation into the case.[95] On August 17, Attorney General Holder authorized an additional autopsy of Brown by a federal medical examiner.[96] A spokesman for the Justice Department cited "the extraordinary circumstances involved in this case" and a request by the Brown family for the autopsy.[96]

On August 16, Ron Johnson, a captain in the Missouri State Highway Patrol, said there were 40 FBI agents going door-to-door looking for potential witnesses that may have information about the shooting.[97][98] Additionally, the Justice Department confirmed that attorneys from its Civil Rights Division and from the United States Attorney's Office were participating in the investigation.[98]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Michael_Brown

 

[New1]

What happens if the truth is that Brown did not have his hands in the air? Will the truth really matter to some of those people? Will they continue to claim that a "racist" cop killed a "boy" that had his hands in the air?

I believe they will. JMO

 

[Frydaddy]

TY for the link. The article was about Ferguson municipal elections, not county elections.

I get the point, though.

Nevertheless, if the majority of the population of St. Louis County is Caucasian/European American, I think it's probably discouraging to the African American population with regards to electing someone who they feel represents them.



http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/ferguson-lack-diversity-goes-way-beyond-its-cops

In Ferguson, it starts with having a black leader who will run for office, then having that leader getting out there to meet the voters. Hard to blame lack of options on the system if you don't participate in it.

 

[New1]

It won't matter TorisMom, IMO

There are going to be a lot of disappointed people all over when Officer Wilson is not indicted.

I wish I had a big bus to go pick up all those people of Ferguson who were cleaning up after the protests and holding makeshift 'school' in the library, before the sh*! hits the fan.

I'm not so sure they wont indict just to quell the protests and the riots. I hope that doesn't happen.

 

[DebinGA]

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/ferguson-lack-diversity-goes-way-beyond-its-cops

"It doesn’t help that Missouri’s city council and school board elections are held in April, rather than in November when they would coincide with state or federal contests. That arrangement leads to lower turnout across the board, but especially among racial minorities. Some southern cities have been accused of deliberately moving their municipal elections to the spring or summer in order to reduce black turnout.:

 

[Oceans]

This deserves more than just hitting the thanks button (which isn't working at the moment for me :waitasec: anyone else?)

:tyou: :goodpost:

Just refresh the page and voila! It's there again! :happydance:

 

[Lovejac]

A lot of the animus toward Bob McCulloch is driven by a bitter feud with Co.Exec. Ofc. Dooley:

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_f53113e9-c09b-5ec0-be4f-623fa65dc545.html

Well of course Dooley is AA. But I don't blame McCulloch one bit for not supporting him next election. Look at what Dooley has done:

“It is none of Bob McCulloch’s business how this county is run,” Dooley said of the meeting. “He told me about things he knows nothing about.”

McCulloch characterized Dooley’s refusal to accept responsibility for a growing list of controversies during the past 18 months as “distressing.”



The list McCulloch cited includes the appointment of a county real estate official with a felony conviction for embezzling federal housing funds, the hiring of a tax collector delinquent on her own taxes, the $3.7 million crime lab contract that has ensnared former police board president Gregory Sansone in an FBI investigation and the top health department administrator who committed suicide last month after it was discovered he’d operated a fake company that collected $3.4 million from county contracts.

 

[Tawny]

I really hope that if the GJ comes back with a decision to not indict, that the prosecutor doesn't indict JUST to make people happy. It would be horrible for someone to have "indicted" on their record just to keep the public happy. JMHO.

 

[LambChop]

A lot of the animus toward Bob McCulloch is driven by a bitter feud with Co.Exec. Ofc. Dooley:

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_f53113e9-c09b-5ec0-be4f-623fa65dc545.html

So the request for removal is political regarding McCulloch withdrawing his support for Dooley???

The list McCulloch cited includes the appointment of a county real estate official with a felony conviction for embezzling federal housing funds, the hiring of a tax collector delinquent on her own taxes, the $3.7 million crime lab contract that has ensnared former police board president Gregory Sansone in an FBI investigation and the top health department administrator who committed suicide last month after it was discovered he’d operated a fake company that collected $3.4 million from county contracts.

 

[Linda7NJ]

O/T: One good thing about tapatalk....the thanks button never disappears.

Mine does!
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[Lovejac]

"It doesn’t help that Missouri’s city council and school board elections are held in April, rather than in November when they would coincide with state or federal contests. That arrangement leads to lower turnout across the board, but especially among racial minorities. Some southern cities have been accused of deliberately moving their municipal elections to the spring or summer in order to reduce black turnout.:

I'm not understanding why they are accusing cities of this. Are they assuming that AA's don't vote in the spring and summer? :waitasec:

 

[TheDuchess]

I'm not understanding why they are accusing cities of this. Are they assuming that AA's don't vote in the spring and summer? :waitasec:

I know! And it's not like they hold the election and only tell white people. Like quietly whispering "hey...election is in April...pass it on to your white friends, but don't tell anyone whose black." Ridiculousness!!!