MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #6

[SStarr33]

Are we on teams? Is this a sport? I am not understanding the "side" thing.

IMO, yes, there are sides.

 

[MyBelle]

Oh ok, I didn't know there was a difference. Megan Kelly definitely said, "walked it back" but didn't explain what it meant. The way she said it, it's going be perceived that the reporter was wrong/made a false statement.

Other reporters know what it means and that's all that matters. Police have to be outraged with the way the politicians have thrown both Wilson and the Chief under the bus and I believe so are the reporters. So cops relied on a reporter they obviously trust to get the word out. The fact she is on maternity leave was a way to get around the ethics issue. The Governor's comments certainly don't reflect any ethics at all.

JMO

 

[EvilSoup]

FYI: Before a commutation can take place, there has to be an arrest and a conviction. Until then, the presumption of innocence prevails.

JMO

Imagine that. It seems MB has already been convicted. Did I miss his trial? Oh, yeah, right.

 

[JLSChook]

Are we on teams? Is this a sport? I am not understanding the "side" thing.

So, what do you think about the actual case?

 

[Frydaddy]

That's just the point... Why are you assuming the officer was assaulted and had his weapon stolen.... The only person who has said that was an anonymous caller on a radio talk show providing what they said was a 3rd hand account...

Untrue.

 

[Muffet]

Oh, come on!!! I've been reading like a fiend, and for the last ten pages, was so excited to be "catching up". I thought you guys slowed down for another news subject. :whew:

Then I reach the end and see the thread is closed, and I'm STILL 10-12 pages behind. LMAO

:cry:

 

[tlcya]

I'm sorry Wysteria, it is just so disheartening that you (and many others)can come to that sort of conclusion without knowing ONE thing about him...... Don't you see that it is that sort of assumption and prejudice that is causing the frustrations that lead to these kind of protests?
I do respect your opinion, I just wish more people could look for good in others before they assume the worst.... When this planet becomes a peaceful place; that is how it will be achieved.

I was one who initially took Michael Brown exactly as presented and assumed the officer was heavy handed and probably racist. Then I sat back and watched as more came out. I started out feeling one way and now feel that young Mr. Brown was aggressive toward the officer or that the officer may have had real reason to believe that he was a serious threat after some sort of aggressive confrontation at the car. I never did believe the friend who was with him's account because it was all kinds of sketchy, constantly changing to fit new info coming out. If a police officer is going to abuse his power and let his inner racist out he is not going to do so in broad daylight in the middle of the street in front of at least one witness he knows about but pulling a teen by the shirt collar into his open window, pulling his weapon and saying I am going to shoot you now. It is my very strong opinion that did not happen and that is what his friend initially said happened. It is simply INcredible in the truest definition of that word.

I do not believe Brown deserved to die because he appears to have committed a strong arm robbery over petty cigarellos. I do not believe Brown deserved to die at all. but I have come to believe based in part by an alleged witness's excited utterances heard on video tape taken just after the shooting and the autopsy report by Baden that young Mr. Brown may have caused his own death by some very very stupid actions and decisions made within a matter of seconds.

If the investigation into this shooting shows that the officer did in fact act improperly and used inappropriate force for whatever the circumstance was in those brief moments, I believe he should be charged. But I simply have not seen it proven or backed by evidence thus far and no amount of rhetoric (not from you) from the dignitaries and talking heads and analysts, all of whom have no more factual info than any of us will be getting me there.

What IS very clear to me is that Ferguson has problems. Deep social long existing problems. If this outcry over Mr. Brown's death has done anything, it has placed a bright spotlight on the serious and deep mistrust that exists by citizens for their police department and their elected officials.

I don't know if Mr. Brown needs justice in the form of murder charges against officer Wilson. But it surely seems evident that this community needs change and serious problems addressed. So if that is what justice ends up looking like I am all for it. I just hope it's not at the expense of an innocent man's reputation, career and future.

 

[JLSChook]

Untrue.

Thanks, Frydaddy. I posted the actual quotes (with links) from LE regarding the assault and attempted weapon theft a couple pages back and haven't gotten a response about those facts yet.

I think I'll go walk my precious pup.

 

[SStarr33]

I think plenty of people here have seen the video of MB's behavior in the store stealing the cigars and the intimidation he used. That speaks a lot for someone's character.....their actions.

Now, we have heard that the officer's record is stellar. What's MB's record like? There will probably be someone who will be able to unseal his juvie record if push comes to shove. We shall see and compare.

I guarantee it will get leaked if they don't stop the witch hunt.

 

[Boytwnmom]

I find that tpe of visit improper. Maybe I'm wrong but I find it problematic. Prior to any probably cause determination and the conclusion of their own investigation what is the legitimate reason for the federal AG to visit this family? For all he knows it could be determined that MB was justifiably killed by an officer of the law. And Holder's the highest law enforcement official in the land. It's one thing for elected officials to go and pay their repects etc to families in all kinds of circumstances-that's expected. Their presence is not linked to the facts of the killing, although I highly doubt they all go visit everyone shot by the police. But they can if they want. But for the AG to do so prior to any evidence that what happened to MB was unlawful just makes for a perception of bias giving the impression he's already decided the officer is guilty. And it's highly irresponsible for the federal government to be perceived as making that determination prior to the conclusion of even any investigation.

And, why isn't that visit in the official DOJ statement like his other activities are?

Jake Tapper on CNN stated that Eric Holder had a meeting set up for tomorrow evening with MB's parents. It is part of his scheduled meetings. He is meeting with the investigators, the DA, and the Browns, according to CNN.

 

[EvilSoup]

FYI: Before a commutation can take place, there has to be an arrest and a conviction. Until then, the presumption of innocence prevails.

JMO

So the Governor of MO needs to stay out of it because Megyn Kelly says so?

 

[Zuri]

I wish everyone in America could tour a burn unit. When the outer layers of skin are burned on every single human being on this planet, the skin is pink underneath. PINK.

Every person on this planet bleeds red blood.

This is about justice. Right and wrong. I am so tired of the race card being played to manipulate others.

I am angry.

 

[Zuri]

I was one who initially took Michael Brown exactly as presented and assumed the officer was heavy handed and probably racist. Then I sat back and watched as more came out. I started out feeling one way and now feel that young Mr. Brown was aggressive toward the officer or that the officer may have had real reason to believe that he was a serious threat after some sort of aggressive confrontation at the car. I never did believe the friend who was with him's account because it was all kinds of sketchy, constantly changing to fit new info coming out. If a police officer is going to abuse his power and let his inner racist out he is not going to do so in broad daylight in the middle of the street in front of at least one witness he knows about but pulling a teen by the shirt collar into his open window, pulling his weapon and saying I am going to shoot you now. It is my very strong opinion that did not happen and that is what his friend initially said happened. It is simply INcredible in the truest definition of that word.

I do not believe Brown deserved to die because he appears to have committed a strong arm robbery over petty cigarellos. I do not believe Brown deserved to die at all. but I have come to believe based in part by an alleged witness's excited utterances heard on video tape taken just after the shooting and the autopsy report by Baden that young Mr. Brown may have caused his own death by some very very stupid actions and decisions made within a matter of seconds.

If the investigation into this shooting shows that the officer did in fact act improperly and used inappropriate force for whatever the circumstance was in those brief moments, I believe he should be charged. But I simply have not seen it proven or backed by evidence thus far and no amount of rhetoric (not from you) from the dignitaries and talking heads and analysts, all of whom have no more factual info than any of us will be getting me there.

What IS very clear to me is that Ferguson has problems. Deep social long existing problems. If this outcry over Mr. Brown's death has done anything, it has placed a bright spotlight on the serious and deep mistrust that exists by citizens for their police department and their elected officials.

I don't know if Mr. Brown needs justice in the form of murder charges against officer Wilson. But it surely seems evident that this community needs change and serious problems addressed. So if that is what justice ends up looking like I am all for it. I just hope it's not at the expense of an innocent man's reputation, career and future.

Thank you for this thoughtful post.

 

[CHERIE.T]

296 lbs and 6'4 to be exact :wink:

But what's a couple of inches

Or a few pounds

thanks for the correction.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Oh, come on!!! I've been reading like a fiend, and for the last ten pages, was so excited to be "catching up". I thought you guys slowed down for another news subject. :whew:

Then I reach the end and see the thread is closed, and I'm STILL 10-12 pages behind. LMAO

:cry:

Read backwards!!!


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[CARIIS]

It is so nutsola

Would this be called anarchy?

 

[EvilSoup]

I was one who initially took Michael Brown exactly as presented and assumed the officer was heavy handed and probably racist. Then I sat back and watched as more came out. I started out feeling one way and now feel that young Mr. Brown was aggressive toward the officer or that the officer may have had real reason to believe that he was a serious threat after some sort of aggressive confrontation at the car. I never did believe the friend who was with him's account because it was all kinds of sketchy, constantly changing to fit new info coming out. If a police officer is going to abuse his power and let his inner racist out he is not going to do so in broad daylight in the middle of the street in front of at least one witness he knows about but pulling a teen by the shirt collar into his open window, pulling his weapon and saying I am going to shoot you now. It is my very strong opinion that did not happen and that is what his friend initially said happened. It is simply INcredible in the truest definition of that word.

I do not believe Brown deserved to die because he appears to have committed a strong arm robbery over petty cigarellos. I do not believe Brown deserved to die at all. but I have come to believe based in part by an alleged witness's excited utterances heard on video tape taken just after the shooting and the autopsy report by Baden that young Mr. Brown may have caused his own death by some very very stupid actions and decisions made within a matter of seconds.

If the investigation into this shooting shows that the officer did in fact act improperly and used inappropriate force for whatever the circumstance was in those brief moments, I believe he should be charged. But I simply have not seen it proven or backed by evidence thus far and no amount of rhetoric (not from you) from the dignitaries and talking heads and analysts, all of whom have no more factual info than any of us will be getting me there.

What IS very clear to me is that Ferguson has problems. Deep social long existing problems. If this outcry over Mr. Brown's death has done anything, it has placed a bright spotlight on the serious and deep mistrust that exists by citizens for their police department and their elected officials.

I don't know if Mr. Brown needs justice in the form of murder charges against officer Wilson. But it surely seems evident that this community needs change and serious problems addressed. So if that is what justice ends up looking like I am all for it. I just hope it's not at the expense of an innocent man's reputation, career and future.

Beautifully said. What a thoughtful post. I do not agree with every point but you make amazing sense.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I find that tpe of visit improper. Maybe I'm wrong but I find it problematic. Prior to any probably cause determination and the conclusion of their own investigation what is the legitimate reason for the federal AG to visit this family? For all he knows it could be determined that MB was justifiably killed by an officer of the law. And Holder's the highest law enforcement official in the land. It's one thing for elected officials to go and pay their repects etc to families in all kinds of circumstances-that's expected. Their presence is not linked to the facts of the killing, although I highly doubt they all go visit everyone shot by the police. But they can if they want. But for the AG to do so prior to any evidence that what happened to MB was unlawful just makes for a perception of bias giving the impression he's already decided the officer is guilty. And it's highly irresponsible for the federal government to be perceived as making that determination prior to the conclusion of even any investigation.

And, why isn't that visit in the official DOJ statement like his other activities are?

None. No reason in the world.

A round table discussion with all parties isn't even ethical at this point IMO


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[Frydaddy]

Ahahaha. With open saw blades. .

Well, I do let people know that if they lean to the right, they have nothing to worry about! :floorlaugh:

 

[bettybaby00]

Wouldn't the governor be the one to commute any death penalty conviction in his state? Why should Nixon stay out of events in his own state? Because (lol) Megyn Kelly says so?

Mmkay.

Uhm, NO

I was making a joke out of MK making that statement b/c I think the governor has stepped over the line with regard to stating "vigorously seeking justice" and very few in MSM seem to care about that.

In this case, justice only means one thing "officer Wilson must be be convicted"

There's a process that has to be followed, he knows that. He and many others speak as if there has already been a trial and that Wilson has been convicted of 1st degree murder.

IDK, maybe that's what the evidence will prove, but it hasn't happened yet, and until then, politicians shouldn't be promising the MB family that Wilson's head will be delivered on a platter.

I've never said MB should be dead. Defending the officers right to due process does not mean I think MB deserved to die.