MO - Kara Kopetsky, 17 - 2007; Jessica Runions, 21 - 2016; found deceased - *ARREST*

[smiley]

If you have ever known someone like Kylr - the person he shows everyone else is charming, funny, a little immature, risk-taking and influential. His grandfather, not just being a grandfather, sees the little boy Kylr used to be, and especially the Kylr that depended on his grandparents love and shelter where he had nothing but chaos and strife and drug-addicted parents at home. I don't think he ever knew much about what went down with Kara, or suspected Kylr at all - that is probably where the first seed of "they just go after my grandson because he's the rebel in town." was born. As time went on and Kylr got into little trouble here and there, its just Kylr being bothered by those damn Belton PD that know him by first name. The stuff with KF? Probably didn't know the details and Kylr wasn't about to tell him. Going to prison for drugs? Well that isn't violent either. But then Jessica disappeared and I think he started to doubt. He showed the media the search warrant, he let them film the house and Kylr's room...he said he was sorry about Jessica being missing back then. And now? I know we want to blame someone, but I feel for Alfred Yust, having to face a reality like this one and knowing in his heart what happened. It is devastating to realize someone you love is a liar, a manipulator, a deeply disturbed and broken person. I can't even imagine what it would be like to realize that about your grandson.

Now moving on to the live update today https://www.facebook.com/stephaniekctv5/videos/1406920029366642/?hc_ref=PAGES_TIMELINE
We learned that more remains were recovered, that they were excavated (so likely partially buried or more) and that they are looking to prosecute The Person Responsible.

Could they tell if they were killed there? I don't think so, not all this time later. There was one theory that after watching Crime Watch Daily that evening about Kara, it may have spurred some conversation between Jessica and Kylr after they left AA's house, where she could have asked him if he really did it, and he took her to the scene, flipped out and killed her, either because it occurred to him to do so, or because he realized what he just did and that she has to die to stay quiet. The other is he simply tried to force their relationship to the next level, maybe tried to get her to dump JM for him, she resisted and he snapped and it all happened somewhere else in the car. After all, we have seen that pattern with Kara trying to break it off, with KF trying to break it off...both choked near death at least once. He burned her car likely to hide evidence of the crime or of her dead body being transported in it, so I conclude she was killed somewhere else and so was Kara. It is quite possible Kara died in the basement of Waffle's place and was taken from there.

Someone else asked who may have helped him? We can't name names here but Kylr has a really shady side of the family and potentially a nutso BFF. I'll leave it at that.

I agree with just about all you have said.

 

[wizard21]

I'm just catching up on all of this as we speak.

When Kara went missing, a person from my group had stated KY's truck was seen on the intersection of Y and YY highway. That is closest to East 219th. The remains were found on East 233rd. However, if you just drive along Y, there is a direct path from where the remains were found and where KY's truck was spotted.

Sloppy/poor detective/police work by the Belton PD. They had known the location of where KY's truck was spotted. When they had him hooked up to the polygraph, that was their chance to get answers. They could've used the polygraph test, not so much to get a confession, but get answers to his whereabouts and why he was in that location. In my opinion, they are just as responsible for JR's murder for not locking this guy up. KY even confessed on 3 different occasions.

 

[folieadeuxnola]

For those who have not read through Jessica's threads, FL refers to a friend of KYs who made a shady FB post the night her car was burned. Here is her quote in MSM http://www.kctv5.com/story/33097908/ex-girlfriend-of-kylr-yust-he-gave-me-a-weird-vibe

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[Scout87]

I'm just catching up on all of this as we speak. When Kara went missing, a person from my group had stated KY's truck was seen on the intersection of Y and YY highway. That is closest to East 219th. The remains were found on East 233rd. However, if you just drive along Y, there is a direct path from where the remains were found and where KY's truck was spotted. Sloppy/poor detective/police work by the Belton PD. They had known the location of where KY's truck was spotted. When they had him hooked up to the polygraph, that was their chance to get answers. They could've used the polygraph test, not so much to get a confession, but get answers to his whereabouts and why he was in that location. In my opinion, they are just as responsible for JR's murder for not locking this guy up. KY even confessed on 3 different occasions.

I completely agree with you. Reading that police report about him driving on Y highway the day Kara went missing just irks me. They completely dropped the ball on Kara's case. I feel that Jessica's tragedy could have been completely avoided if they'd just dug deeper. It makes me livid just thinking about all the chances they had to nail KY back when Kara disappeared. They let the case slip through the cracks.

 

[jpo74]

KY even confessed on 3 different occasions.

was these confessions to friends? family? i would think if he would have confessed to police they would have arrested him then?

 

[Vail]

Welcome back wizard!

And scout, everything seems so clear now doesn't it? It makes me a little sick. We had all the right ideas without even being part of the investigation - zeroing in on Belton and ignoring Grandview, that quarry and all its land would have been a prime choice of search area even without the statement about his truck.

was these confessions to friends? family? i would think if he would have confessed to police they would have arrested him then?

The first confession we know about was to CM
https://www.scribd.com/document/328156348/Kylr-Yust-2011-Incident-Report

The second to a friend, though I think the actual confession predates his threat to CM
https://www.scribd.com/document/327947487/Kara-Kopetsky-Case-Witness-report-Alleged-Confession

Her is also a list of links in which the comments may be interesting to those of you catching up.

FL confirming she was contacted by KY Friday night www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2g0HTfF_44 (comments)

BTW I should mention, I do not think FL is involved - she just knows stuff. I don't want it to come off like we are casting suspicion.

http://heavy.com/news/2016/09/kylr-...ord-facebook-photos-raymore-missouri-charges/

http://fox4kc.com/2013/11/22/kylr-y...ra-kopetsky-to-be-sentenced-for-drug-charges/

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10154340211545470&id=65981045469

https://www.facebook.com/groups/7684250179/permalink/10155007943415180/

 

[skibaboo]

Welcome back wizard!

And scout, everything seems so clear now doesn't it? It makes me a little sick. We had all the right ideas without even being part of the investigation - zeroing in on Belton and ignoring Grandview, that quarry and all its land would have been a prime choice of search area even without the statement about his truck.



The first confession we know about was to CM
https://www.scribd.com/document/328156348/Kylr-Yust-2011-Incident-Report

The second to a friend, though I think the actual confession predates his threat to CM
https://www.scribd.com/document/327947487/Kara-Kopetsky-Case-Witness-report-Alleged-Confession

Her is also a list of links in which the comments may be interesting to those of you catching up.

FL confirming she was contacted by KY Friday night www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2g0HTfF_44 (comments)

BTW I should mention, I do not think FL is involved - she just knows stuff. I don't want it to come off like we are casting suspicion.

http://heavy.com/news/2016/09/kylr-...ord-facebook-photos-raymore-missouri-charges/

http://fox4kc.com/2013/11/22/kylr-y...ra-kopetsky-to-be-sentenced-for-drug-charges/

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10154340211545470&id=65981045469

https://www.facebook.com/groups/7684250179/permalink/10155007943415180/

It's so sad and frustrating isn't it?

 

[NewMama]

This is the first time I've seen LE talking about DNA testing on the 2nd set of remains.

"Beckford listened as police explained that the second skull needed to be tested for mitochondrial DNA. She heard words like “lab backlog.” And “up to a year.”"

http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article143471034.html

 

[skibaboo]

This is the first time I've seen LE talking about DNA testing on the 2nd set of remains.

"Beckford listened as police explained that the second skull needed to be tested for mitochondrial DNA. She heard words like “lab backlog.” And “up to a year.”"

http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article143471034.html

She's had to wait almost 10 years they better be giving it priority!!

 

[wizard21]

Actually, now that I think of it, he's actually confessed to 4 different people. I wasn't counting CM, the exgirlfriend that was pregnant with twins. One was an ex, Katelyn F. I couldn't get her to talk and told me to contact KK's private investigator. He's confessed to another ex, Frances L. The third person he's confessed to was Nick Y, a former band member. Unfortunately, that still isn't enough to get a conviction in the court of law, because his defense is, according to Lt. Swanson is "he could've been bragging" or "drunk".

KY did not pass the polygraph, just to set the record clear.

 

[Scout87]

Actually, now that I think of it, he's actually confessed to 4 different people. I wasn't counting CM, the exgirlfriend that was pregnant with twins. One was an ex, Katelyn F. I couldn't get her to talk and told me to contact KK's private investigator. He's confessed to another ex, Frances L. The third person he's confessed to was Nick Y, a former band member. Unfortunately, that still isn't enough to get a conviction in the court of law, because his defense is, according to Lt. Swanson is "he could've been bragging" or "drunk". KY did not pass the polygraph, just to set the record clear.

Right, it's all hearsay. But then a polygraph is inadmissible in a court of law as well and there seemed to be credence given to that at some point. Innocent people have failed polygraphs. Guilty people have passed them. They need to be thrown out the window, if you ask me. It's about as worthy to me in law as a standardized test is in public school - they just are not accurate measures of what they are supposed to be measuring. I personally do not care if KY failed or passed or it was inconclusive. The prosecutor and the investigators need to focus on the forensics and the real, concrete and even circumstantial evidence of this case.

 

[wizard21]

Right, it's all hearsay. But then a polygraph is inadmissible in a court of law as well and there seemed to be credence given to that at some point. Innocent people have failed polygraphs. Guilty people have passed them. They need to be thrown out the window, if you ask me. It's about as worthy to me in law as a standardized test is in public school - they just are not accurate measures of what they are supposed to be measuring. I personally do not care if KY failed or passed or it was inconclusive. The prosecutor and the investigators need to focus on the forensics and the real, concrete and even circumstantial evidence of this case.

The frightening part about all of this is, even after finding the human remains, the circumstantial evidence still might not be strong enough to convict KY in the court of law. They would have less of a case if those weren't Kara's remains. There is a small probability he could've murdered another female, in addition to KK and JR.

You had to believe, from the start of JR's case, that finding one's remains would lead to the other. I think we were both right on that point.

Although, I didn't hear them disclose any information, in comparison to where the first set of remains were, but you would have to think, if the mushroom hunter would've still found KK, if he hadn't found JR's remains. My guess is probably not, based on the information so far.

I'm happy to know the families are starting to get closure, but at the same time, it's disappointing and you hold out that .0001% chance of hope they are still alive.

 

[Scout87]

Welcome back wizard! And scout, everything seems so clear now doesn't it? It makes me a little sick. We had all the right ideas without even being part of the investigation - zeroing in on Belton and ignoring Grandview, that quarry and all its land would have been a prime choice of search area even without the statement about his truck. The first confession we know about was to CM https://www.scribd.com/document/328156348/Kylr-Yust-2011-Incident-Report The second to a friend, though I think the actual confession predates his threat to CM https://www.scribd.com/document/327947487/Kara-Kopetsky-Case-Witness-report-Alleged-Confession Her is also a list of links in which the comments may be interesting to those of you catching up. FL confirming she was contacted by KY Friday night www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2g0HTfF_44 (comments) BTW I should mention, I do not think FL is involved - she just knows stuff. I don't want it to come off like we are casting suspicion. http://heavy.com/news/2016/09/kylr-...ord-facebook-photos-raymore-missouri-charges/ http://fox4kc.com/2013/11/22/kylr-y...ra-kopetsky-to-be-sentenced-for-drug-charges/ https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10154340211545470&id=65981045469 https://www.facebook.com/groups/7684250179/permalink/10155007943415180/

It makes me sick too, Vail. I sat here last night going over that incident report filed after Kara went missing about KY being on Y Highway. It makes my head hurt. We went through so many locations. So many maps. I remember sitting here pouring over Google Earth just trying to find anything that looked like a viable search location. And the girls were right there. They were SO close :gaah: And just about everything we considered is right there in that one spot. The woods, the quarry. The farm land right down the street. The creek down at the edge of the woods. Even the way the road curves in front of those woods, allowing you to see who is coming any direction, makes it the perfect place.

 

[Scout87]

This may have already been posted, but it confirms that KY knew the area where the girls were found. The owner of a home nearby explains KY was at his home several years ago for a bbq because KY was in a hard rock band with his son. From 41 Action News: [video=youtube;z3EQQ9tI_lY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3EQQ9tI_lY[/video]

 

[jggordo]

The frightening part about all of this is, even after finding the human remains, the circumstantial evidence still might not be strong enough to convict KY in the court of law. They would have less of a case if those weren't Kara's remains. There is a small probability he could've murdered another female, in addition to KK and JR.

To me there seems to be a new (to me at least) trend in cases where LE can get the suspect off the street on lesser charges and in jail they do allowing more time to bring charges of murder. The suspect isn't going anywhere and the clock doesn't start clicking on the charge of murder case. No screaming defense attorneys regarding discovery yet. Plus lets the criminal stew over the what ifs, which is good for the mind of the culprit.

JMO

 

[Scout87]

This is the first time I've seen LE talking about DNA testing on the 2nd set of remains. "Beckford listened as police explained that the second skull needed to be tested for mitochondrial DNA. She heard words like “lab backlog.” And “up to a year.”" http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article143471034.html

I haven't had much time to really investigate, but several sources I've read through say that mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) is often easier to use and find in forensics because it is present in hundreds to thousands of copies per cell instead of the two copies provided by nuclear DNA. It's actually very interesting reading. Most sources state that mtDNA testing can usually be completed somewhere between the time span of 2 to 10 weeks. Here's hoping this gets the answers we need. I'd post my links but I'm having trouble getting my paragraphs to stay formatted with spacing after I post, no matter what I do, and I don't want wall of random links. Anyone else having trouble with that? Maybe I'm doing something wrong. Wouldn't suprise me.

 

[DaisyChains]

The frightening part about all of this is, even after finding the human remains, the circumstantial evidence still might not be strong enough to convict KY in the court of law.

BBM

This worries me as well. Let's hope he has a crappy lawyer or there was SOMETHING left at the scene that would connect him to the girls.

I know this is unorthodox, but sometimes I feel like LE should silently retrieve the remains when discovered and allow the perp to believe the remains are still out there and his dumping ground is not disturbed.

Then run a sting/camera on the area the bones were (with maybe even fake bones there to replace the real ones in custody) to see if the perp comes back to visit the remains OR if he tries to use the dumping ground once again for another body. That would be the best evidence in cases like this.

Ugh but we have to be fair and play by the rules. :gaah:

 

[Vail]

1. holy crap about the link to the nearby house.
2. they took a blue plaid shirt from his house. We don't know if it was Jessica's but she happened to disappear in one. I think they have a lot more evidence than we are aware of.

 

[Scout87]

BBM This worries me as well. Let's hope he has a crappy lawyer or there was SOMETHING left at the scene that would connect him to the girls. I know this is unorthodox, but sometimes I feel like LE should silently retrieve the remains when discovered and allow the perp to believe the remains are still out there and his dumping ground is not disturbed. Then run a sting/camera on the area the bones were (with maybe even fake bones there to replace the real ones in custody) to see if the perp comes back to visit the remains OR if he tries to use the dumping ground once again for another body. That would be the best evidence in cases like this. Ugh but we have to be fair and play by the rules. :gaah:

I've thought this as well with other cases. When they were trying to ID the Green Rive Killer in Washington, investigators did an interview with Bundy on profiling the perp in that case and he also said to stake out the crime scene and wait for killer to come back. Then again, they would have to actually know where the crime scene was and since the authorities were dunces for so long with Kara's case, that wouldn't have worked. I feel that KY had been back to that location several, if not many times, since he left Kara there.

 

[Scout87]

1. holy crap about the link to the nearby house. 2. they took a blue plaid shirt from his house. We don't know if it was Jessica's but she happened to disappear in one. I think they have a lot more evidence than we are aware of.

Right! I knew there had to be something about that area that he knew or was somehow connected to. Creepy. It wasn't just a random dumping site. He chose it for a reason it seems. Close enough to home for him to have a connection, but not so close that the connection was obvious. Maybe back then he figured if they found Kara, he wouldn't be directly linked as the area is out of the immediate radius of his obvious connections.