MO - Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #2

[anothersheart71]

My husband and I were engaged for 5 years and during that time had two children together....the reason we kept delaying the wedding was due to illnesses in our family....we lost a grandmother, a grandfather, and an aunt all due to cancer during that time. It just seemed wrong to be planning a wedding and celebration in the midst of such tragedy and sadness. When we did marry it was a small ceremony with just family and close friends. I do not think them not being married has any bearing on this situation.

 

[KaylynnCouture]

It's odd that, aside from that 1 news report posted earlier, no other news stations have picked up the story regarding the alleged sighting of Lisa at the travel stop.

 

[iamnotagolem]

Just playing devil's advocate here....but maybe he had the paternity test done b/c his ex cheated on him? Do we know for sure they had a relationship? Could be the mother of his child had a list of guys do a paternity test? We really just don't know.

While it is possible that his ex-girlfriend or ex-wife is jealous of his current relationship and decided to take away their child to hurt them, I think some of the other information we have lends to other options.

 

[mrsu]

I still suspect some kind of domestic shenanigans, even if outside the nuclear family unit.

I'm really troubled that there has been foot-dragging on marriage, Spring? If you plan to get married at all, what is the hold up, except for procrastination and hesitation? City hall after birth of a child is appropriate. she is not a first-time bride... she's given birth already to his baby! If affording a party is the problem, marry, then have the party later.

There may be conflict in this relationship over the delay. I want to know how Jeremy treats his exes and his other child.

and that it was necessary for a former live-in to file a paternity suit to have paternity of her child acknowledged by Jeremy.

As far as I can discern from those records, Jeremy was listed as the Plantiff, no? That would mean that he brought the action, correct? Am I seeing wrong??

 

[Just-a-Guy]

My husband and I were engaged for 5 years and during that time had two children together....the reason we kept delaying the wedding was due to illnesses in our family....we lost a grandmother, a grandfather, and an aunt all due to cancer during that time. It just seemed wrong to be planning a wedding and celebration in the midst of such tragedy and sadness. When we did marry it was a small ceremony with just family and close friends. I do not think them not being married has any bearing on this situation.

My wife and I were engaged for several years, as well. We found we had some "religious differences" that somehow had not come out in our relationship. Eventually, we found a way around them, and married and remain so, happily. I have learned not to judge people based on their decisions about marriage, religion, child-bearing, etc. We mostly will not know what underlies their decisions.

What's important here is, of course, where is this baby? I don't think the parents know, and so let's move on beyond that. I truly hope they find her soon....

 

[Apples2Apples]

I'm so not a patient person. I wish they would just find her!

 

[EllaMae]

I still suspect some kind of domestic shenanigans, even if outside the nuclear family unit.

I'm really troubled that there has been foot-dragging on marriage, Spring? If you plan to get married at all, what is the hold up, except for procrastination and hesitation? City hall after birth of a child is appropriate. she is not a first-time bride... she's given birth already to his baby! If affording a party is the problem, marry, then have the party later.

There may be conflict in this relationship over the delay. I want to know how Jeremy treats his exes and his other child.

and that it was necessary for a former live-in to file a paternity suit to have paternity of her child acknowledged by Jeremy.

Maybe Jeremy had doubts that the child was his.....that would be my guess. There may have been infidelity by the mother of that child during her relationship with Jeremy. That's usually the case in a paternity suit.
He seemed to have no problem with parenting Lisa, and acknowledging her as his child.

People have various reasons for waiting to get married. Maybe this couple wants a ceremony and a honeymoon, so they are saving money for a celebration. Maybe the paternity suit had them waiting. Maybe they just like spring.

 

[mrsu]

Maybe it's as simple as they don't want to get married again? Some people (especially if they've been married previously), don't wish to marry again. Marriage is not the end all be all for some people. *shrug*

 

[branwynbreeze]

Maybe Jeremy had doubts that the child was his.....that would be my guess. There may have been infidelity by the mother of that child during her relationship with Jeremy. That's usually the case in a paternity suit.
He seemed to have no problem with parenting Lisa, and acknowledging her as his child.

People have various reasons for waiting to get married. Maybe this couple wants a ceremony and a honeymoon, so they are saving money for a celebration. Maybe the paternity suit had them waiting. Maybe they just like spring.

A few weeks ago my cousin's ex-boyfriend said he wants a DNA test on their daughter, now 16 years old. Yesterday my cousin asked if he believed child was not his and he replied no, someone [new girlfriend] told him to do it. She said just wait for results and right after that I'll be going after you for current and 14 years back support.

 

[EllaMae]

As far as I can discern from those records, Jeremy was listed as the Plantiff, no? That would mean that he brought the action, correct? Am I seeing wrong??

If he's the plaintiff then apparently he wants to acknowledge the child and probably get visitation if he is indeed the father. Or if he has doubts then this could force DNA testing to resolve the matter.

 

[Lavanda Dolce]

It's odd that, aside from that 1 news report posted earlier, no other news stations have picked up the story regarding the alleged sighting of Lisa at the travel stop.

Much as I hate to say this..but many babies look like Lisa. All six of my nieces looked almost exactly like her at the same age. I would hope that anyone who may possibly think they spotted her call 9-1-1 and not let the child or person out of their sight and get a license plate. I really don't like being negative but I really doubt that anyone who would kidnap a baby is going to be walking around in the wide open public with the child. I would think they are keeping her "hidden" until "safe" to bring her out...or has her disguised to look like a boy baby to avoid recognition if they had to go out publicly.

 

[angela]

When my ex and I split, his attorney asked him to get a DNA test before we even started the shared custody/child support negotiations. I was furious but when I talked to my attorney about it, he said it was what every good attorney would recommend. The test was never performed but like I said, it was requested by an attorney.

 

[pdxmama]

I still suspect some kind of domestic shenanigans, even if outside the nuclear family unit.

I'm really troubled that there has been foot-dragging on marriage, Spring? If you plan to get married at all, what is the hold up, except for procrastination and hesitation? City hall after birth of a child is appropriate. she is not a first-time bride... she's given birth already to his baby! If affording a party is the problem, marry, then have the party later.

There may be conflict in this relationship over the delay. I want to know how Jeremy treats his exes and his other child.

and that it was necessary for a former live-in to file a paternity suit to have paternity of her child acknowledged by Jeremy.

I think you are making some assumptions that we have no evidence of one way or the other. To assume that because they are not married yet is because someone is "foot-dragging" as opposed to a loving couple wanting to take the time to plan the wedding just the way they want it, is a big leap.

Also, as others have stated, there could be many reasons for a paternity suit that have nothing to do with Jeremy refusing to acknowledge his child or in any other way being dead-beat parent.

LE has stated several times that the parents are cooperating fully and they are not suspects. I think we need to very careful, in this victim (in this case, the parents would be included in that) friendly forum.

 

[nursebeeme]

I think you are making some assumptions that we have no evidence of one way or the other. To assume that because they are not married yet is because someone is "foot-dragging" as opposed to a loving couple wanting to take the time to plan the wedding just the way they want it, is a big leap.

Also, as others have stated, there could be many reasons for a paternity suit that have nothing to do with Jeremy refusing to acknowledge his child or in any other way being dead-beat parent.

LE has stated several times that the parents are cooperating fully and they are not suspects. I think we need to very careful, in this victim (in this case, the parents would be included in that) friendly forum.

just want to bump this up as I was about to say the exact same thing.

 

[davehead21]

I am really bothered that it's even being discussed that Baby Lisa's parents have been waiting to get married. There are a lot of reasons why two people would wait to get married, even after living together and having a child together. I don't think it's right to assume that there is "feet dragging" going on in this situation because we simply do not know.

 

[SarahW]

I am really bothered that it's even being discussed that Baby Lisa's parents have been waiting to get married. There are a lot of reasons why two people would wait to get married, even after living together and having a child together. I don't think it's right to assume that there is "feet dragging" going on in this situation because we simply do not know.

inability to marry explains it, and possibly reduction of benefits/alimony/child support adjustment lost if cohabitation becomes marriage.

 

[iamnotagolem]

inability to marry explains it, and possibly reduction of benefits/alimony/child support adjustment lost if cohabitation becomes marriage.

Child support would not be effected by their marriage unless if Jeremy was paying Deborah child support. That would end if they got married. Deborah's children from a previous relationship would continue to receive any child support they were previously receiving. Jeremy's child would paying child support to his other child. But their marriage has 0 bearing on child support.

 

[belimom]

People who know him say he lived with other women in that house and had at least one woman has a child by him. I don't know if RR is the woman the earlier commenter knows, capable of "mischief" or "nconvenience" but not crime, or if her child is the child in the p. suit.

That's why I want people who know him to come back and say it ain't so - that he is generous, faithful, that HE was jilted or ill-used, not that he has issues with committment

I'm trying very hard to see how this relates to this blessed baby being missing. But I can't find the connection. It really seems irrelevant and akin to sleuthing the family...

 

[nursebeeme]

Or a myriad of other things. You are just choosing to assume things.



Agreed and I cannot imagine that the TOS allows that.

BBM

no it does not.

everyone please go back and self edit your posts if you have attacked the victim or attacked one another.

thank you

 

[scapa]

That's why I want people who know him to come back and say it ain't so - that he is generous, faithful, that HE was jilted or ill-used, not that he has issues with committment

With respect, how is this relevant to the possible abduction of Lisa? Are you saying that having a child out of wedlock, or rumoured "issues with commitment" may have prompted this crime? That a jilted ex stole this baby?

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