MO - Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #7

[CHICANA]

Do we know if he was renting or buying in 2002? I've read that he's 28 now so he would have been 19 or so in 2002. Ya, that's a little young to be buying a house but not renting one. I rented the same place for a long time. Maybe he is.

Tell me if this link doesn't work. It shows that he is the owner & the last sale date was 11/1/2002. I thought the same thing, no way could I have bought a house at that age. I think it's Deborah that hasn't lived there long. I also wonder why the home phone is registered to a male -last name Netz instead of Jeremy. Maybe someone else had been living there ? Got kicked out & still had a key ?

http://gisweb.claycogov.com/realEstate/realEstateDetail.jsp?parcelid=18115001400500

 

[neesaki]

The article says "a phone call was made from the couples home at 2:30 AM ". Not from a cell phone or from the mother. Getting rid of a cell phone will not get rid of your phone records. I think we can all agree with that.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/10/07/missing-missouri-infants-mother-says-police-accused-her/

So the call was made from their home phone meaning they do have a landline phone? I don't know, but if that's the case, it could possibly have been an intruder, the kidnapper, using their phone in order to implicate them. This is a crazy case.:crazy:

 

[HatesSociopaths]

IMO, if I am the supposed "kidnapper", I would not give a hoot about the phones. I would just want to get the heck out of there. Taking the phones would make me paranoid that they could trace me through the phone. And it would not delay anything worth a hill of beans.

 

[norest4thewicked]

So the call was made from their home phone meaning they do have a landline phone? I don't know, but if that's the case, it could possibly have been an intruder, the kidnapper, using their phone in order to implicate them. This is a crazy case.:crazy:

They didn't have a land line. I think that when people say that it was made from their home it meant the cell was pinged from there. That's my understanding.

 

[3doglady]

I wonder if LE knows this ? Wonder if these things were all done ? I'm guessing yes...MOO

I would hope so but we were discussing why they left the bumper pad and comforter in the crib. That should have been tested also.

 

[EllaMae]

MyBelle,
I agree. Makes no sense. As someone said earlier today, kidnappers don't look down a street and say-hey let's go to the house that's well lighted, kidnap their baby and steal their cell phones.

A real kidnapper would say let's get the baby and get the he double L outta here.


imo

Not trying to be argumentative at all...but none of us really know what would go through a kidnapper's mind. If there was the thought that it might delay calling for help I can see stealing the phones. It's really no different than cutting the phone lines in the days before cell phones.

There have been several examples posted here about crimes committed where the perps also took the victims cell phones to possibly slow down a call for help. It's become very common.
The phones were in plain sight on the counter, so it would be easy and very quick to stash them in pants pockets.

IMHO...it's not in the realm of impossible, so I have to consider that it could have happened.

 

[Katana]

The crib should have been considered the main part of a crime scene since the mom stated that was the last place Lisa was seen. It should have been tested for fibers, blood, DNA and fingerprints.

Unless it wasn't the actual crime scene and evidence of a crime was found in another part of the house.

 

[marge_rita]

He'd have to be a pretty dense kidnapper to come in through the window when the door was unlocked and all the lights were on.

:floorlaugh: True dat.

 

[HatesSociopaths]

The article says "a phone call was made from the couples home at 2:30 AM ". Not from a cell phone or from the mother. Getting rid of a cell phone will not get rid of your phone records. I think we can all agree with that.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/10/07/missing-missouri-infants-mother-says-police-accused-her/

Which brings up another point. What good would taking 3 cell phones do for the kidnapper if there was a landline phone at the home as well?

 

[dovebar]

That also makes sense to me. Also, his facial affect is lot more low-key and non-emotional, and just his face to me is less convincing than hers. But what concerns me more than this vague intuition is that she has a history of raising children - her other two are fine. He's the one for whom this is his first child, and who might somehow snap with the child. Did he ask for nights to get away from the baby's crying?

All that said, I also think it's possible that the police there are just incompetent. It's easier to pressure a woman saying, "You did it! Admit it!" than to go out and investigate the case. I've always felt for people under suspicion because I have a lousy memory and probably couldn't tell you what I did last night, nor would I have others to give me an alibi.

 

[epiphany]

Kind of strange you forget to lock the door but you remember you forgot to lock the door.

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[mamacita]

FWIW I don't see shower gifts. Is that a baby carrier in the crib? A baby tub?

it's a baby bathtub. we had the same one for our daughter. it's not very big. i think my daughter had outgrown it by the time she was just over a year... but we kept using it for a while because i just never went to get a bigger one. but if baby L is tall/big for her age, then they might already be using a bigger tub. i'm guessing this pic is from before baby lisa was born. plus - we keep our daughters bathtub near or in the bathroom, not in her bedroom. it's the type that comes with a newborn net type thing. i think we used that for a few months, then moved on to using the tub without the net. it looks to me that the net is inside the tub in the crib (but i cant tell if it's actually set up or just sitting in the tub (how it came packaged).

anywho - FWIW, this looks to be a before-baby pic. not only the tub thing, but with the mattress being up so high. the crib is very similar to my daughters. they probably just had it up that high until baby L became a little more mobile (rolling over, etc). i don't think we need to worry about it. i think testing the bedding was probably one of the first things LE would have done.

 

[EllaMae]

Kind of strange you forget to lock the door but you remember you forgot to lock the door.

Not if you only realize it later.

 

[wfgodot]

Kansas City Star's article on tonight's prayer vigil:

Supporters pray for missing infant
Posted on Fri, Oct. 07, 2011 11:20 PM

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Several dozen people gathered to pray at Penguin Park in the Northland. They prayed for the little girl’s parents, who went on national television to defend their reputations. For the authorities, who searched a local landfill for clues. They even prayed for whomever took the 10-month-old earlier this week.

Most of all, those gathered prayed for Lisa.
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much more at link above

 

[HatesSociopaths]

If LE can locate those phones, the fingerprints left on them will be of the parents, IMO, and that could help get a confession.

 

[yllek]

That also makes sense to me. Also, his facial affect is lot more low-key and non-emotional, and just his face to me is less convincing than hers. But what concerns me more than this vague intuition is that she has a history of raising children - her other two are fine. He's the one for whom this is his first child, and who might somehow snap with the child. Did he ask for nights to get away from the baby's crying?

All that said, I also think it's possible that the police there are just incompetent. It's easier to pressure a woman saying, "You did it! Admit it!" than to go out and investigate the case. I've always felt for people under suspicion because I have a lousy memory and probably couldn't tell you what I did last night, nor would I have others to give me an alibi.

The five year old is her biological son. The 8 year old is his biological son. From how I interpret the court records (kinda like dot to dot), he proved paternity in 2005 and has had custody. I think they both have been primary caregivers to one child; he raising one longer than she. MOO.

 

[Katana]

You can find some information at Missouri case.net site.

 

[MyBelle]

We have heard about the cell phones. Does anyone know anything about cable? Because while you might not have a hard wired phone line you can get telephone service through cable. My house phone is through Comcast. But we also have cell phones. And I can take my portable phones out into the yard and talk on them. I've never tested how far out they will work I generally sit on the deck.

It would be interesting to know this.

Whether your landline service is handled by the cable company or a phone company, the signal is still carried on the landlines that are in your house. Your cordless phone will work on your deck but it won't work at all if your electricity goes out so buy a cheap phone and plug it directly into a phone outlet so it is there in an emergency.

 

[norest4thewicked]

That also makes sense to me. Also, his facial affect is lot more low-key and non-emotional, and just his face to me is less convincing than hers. But what concerns me more than this vague intuition is that she has a history of raising children - her other two are fine. He's the one for whom this is his first child, and who might somehow snap with the child. Did he ask for nights to get away from the baby's crying?

All that said, I also think it's possible that the police there are just incompetent. It's easier to pressure a woman saying, "You did it! Admit it!" than to go out and investigate the case. I've always felt for people under suspicion because I have a lousy memory and probably couldn't tell you what I did last night, nor would I have others to give me an alibi.

This isn't his first child. One of the boys is his.

 

[wfgodot]

If LE can locate those phones, the fingerprints left on them will be of the parents, IMO, and that could help get a confession.

Yes, of course the parents' fingerprints will be on them. They were their phones, after all.