MO - Sherrill Levitt, 47, Suzie Streeter, 19, & Stacy McCall, 18, Springfield, 7 June 1992 #11

[cherrymeg]

I don't know why my posts keep quoting weirdly. I really think it's weird that Suzie and Stacy didn't crash at Janelle's or another house. They had their cars, why risk a DUI?

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

Why are we talking about polygraphs again. They did them to Mike, Dusty and Joe for the missing women. There isn't a need for the vandalism case accept if they asked about occult ties which is one thing they believed could connect both cases. This article talks about Mike and Dusty. It clearly says they passed for the missing women case. Regardless of how you feel about polygraphs it's worse to spread misinformation. In the early days of the case they were trying to figure out what happened to these three women.

That's exactly the point I was making. That they did them for the 3MW crime. But not for the Grave Robbing crime. The polygraphs they did, had nothing to do with the Grave Robbing. Guaranteed. Police already had the evidence they needed to wrap that case up. And they wouldn't have given polygraphs for something like the Grave Robbing Crime. Especially when JOE had already given them up, as stated by Mike, as well as the police already having Dustins Drivers License that connected him to the selling of the Gold Teeth. No Polygraph would have been necessary, nor would police have wasted their time.
Polygraph for 3MW= Yes
Polygraph for Grave Robbing Case=NO (Why would police have? Give me one reason....just one)

 

[scadagirl28]

I don't know why my posts keep quoting weirdly. I really think it's weird that Suzie and Stacy didn't crash at Janelle's or another house. They had their cars, why risk a DUI?

True but a waterbed sure sounds nicer than the floor at the Kirby house.

 

[Talullah]

That's exactly the point I was making. That they did them for the 3MW crime. But not for the Grave Robbing crime. The polygraphs they did, had nothing to do with the Grave Robbing. Guaranteed. Police already had the evidence they needed to wrap that case up. And they wouldn't have given polygraphs for something like the Grave Robbing Crime. Especially when JOE had already given them up, as stated by Mike, as well as the police already having Dustins Drivers License that connected him to the selling of the Gold Teeth. No Polygraph would have been necessary, nor would police have wasted their time.
Polygraph for 3MW= Yes
Polygraph for Grave Robbing Case=NO (Why would police have? Give me one reason....just one)

Mike, Joe and Dusty took polygraphs because Suzie’s testimony was a possible motive so there’s no way not one question referred to or addressed the graveyard incident. There wouldn’t have been any point.

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

Mike, Joe and Dusty took polygraphs because Suzie’s testimony was a possible motive so there’s no way not one question referred to or addressed the graveyard incident. There wouldn’t have been any point.

Fair Enough. That I understand, and That makes sense. Now I understand what you all were trying to say. Sorry. I understand now.

 

[TedMac]

What do you think of Cox?

I think he is a POI as named by LE. He lived in the area at the time of the women's disappearance and worked with Stacy's dad, so there is a good chance he met her or at least may seen her if she came by the job site. His criminal record, especially when it comes to what to the crimes he is convicted of makes him look even more suspicious. His statements about knowing the women are dead is at a minimum creepy. I do not know if he committed this crime or not, but I can see why LE named him a POI.

 

[irisheyesofblue]

That's exactly the point I was making. That they did them for the 3MW crime. But not for the Grave Robbing crime. The polygraphs they did, had nothing to do with the Grave Robbing. Guaranteed. Police already had the evidence they needed to wrap that case up. And they wouldn't have given polygraphs for something like the Grave Robbing Crime. Especially when JOE had already given them up, as stated by Mike, as well as the police already having Dustins Drivers License that connected him to the selling of the Gold Teeth. No Polygraph would have been necessary, nor would police have wasted their time.
Polygraph for 3MW= Yes
Polygraph for Grave Robbing Case=NO (Why would police have? Give me one reason....just one)

I gave you one and you ignored, wrote this, and basically keep calling me liar without stating it flat out.

 

[cherrymeg]

True but a waterbed sure sounds nicer than the floor at the Kirby house.

Leaving a party for a waterbed? That sounds like fun especially when you are supposed to get up in a few hours. If there as a reason not to stay at JK like a fight, a weird relative, it seems like something that would have to make you really uncomfortable to drive with two cars too.

 

[scadagirl28]

Leaving a party for a waterbed? That sounds like fun especially when you are supposed to get up in a few hours. If there as a reason not to stay at JK like a fight, a weird relative, it seems like something that would have to make you really uncomfortable to drive with two cars too.

There could have been . It still puts the women at 1717 Delmar . I can see both women driving their cars there in case they changed their minds due to a fight or weird relative.

 

[OzarksTrailBlazer]

Mike, Joe and Dusty took polygraphs because Suzie’s testimony was a possible motive so there’s no way not one question referred to or addressed the graveyard incident. There wouldn’t have been any point.

The questions aren’t whether they took them or why they took them. It’s whether Joe actually passed or not.

Cops said Dusty and Mike passed. Didn’t give a confirmation on Joe.

So this whole thing is based on how one interprets Hutcheson saying one sentence on a document about the polygraph that the men are being truthful. Hardly a tally in the box for “things that are true.”

Given that the machines are wrong and Asher wouldn’t own up to it.

Reminder: Joe was in Springfield. And unaccounted for that night. Another reminder: Mike’s wife does not have discovery of Joe’s case. Just Mike’s.

Also why do people question Henson and Joy etc. when they were also polygraphed/interviewed by detective Worsham and Glenn and they saw nothing wrong with their timelines.

To put it another way: why are people picking and choosing when to believe cops?

 

[irisheyesofblue]

The questions aren’t whether they took them or why they took them. It’s whether Joe actually passed or not.

Cops said Dusty and Mike passed. Didn’t give a confirmation on Joe.

So this whole thing is based on how one interprets Hutcheson saying one sentence on a document about the polygraph that the men are being truthful. Hardly a tally in the box for “things that are true.”

Given that the machines are wrong and Asher wouldn’t own up to it.

Reminder: Joe was in Springfield. And unaccounted for that night. Another reminder: Mike’s wife does not have discovery of Joe’s case. Just Mike’s.

Also why do people question Henson and Joy etc. when they were also polygraphed/interviewed by detective Worsham and Glenn and they saw nothing wrong with their timelines.

To put it another way: why are people picking and choosing when to believe cops?

I have everything in Mike’s file for that case which INCLUDES many things with Joe and Dusty. It also DOES include the lie detector results.

 

[cherrymeg]

The questions aren’t whether they took them or why they took them. It’s whether Joe actually passed or not.

Cops said Dusty and Mike passed. Didn’t give a confirmation on Joe.

So this whole thing is based on how one interprets Hutcheson saying one sentence on a document about the polygraph that the men are being truthful. Hardly a tally in the box for “things that are true.”

Given that the machines are wrong and Asher wouldn’t own up to it.

Reminder: Joe was in Springfield. And unaccounted for that night. Another reminder: Mike’s wife does not have discovery of Joe’s case. Just Mike’s.

Also why do people question Henson and Joy etc. when they were also polygraphed/interviewed by detective Worsham and Glenn and they saw nothing wrong with their timelines.

To put it another way: why are people picking and choosing when to believe cops?

That is your issue? At first you accused Mike of lying he wasn't now you want some ethical, philosophical debate on LE's credibility and if you can pick and choose what to believe. Not all cops are equal, some are moral upstanding citizens, others are corrupt and hide behind a badge, others are just on a power trip or looking for their 15 minutes of fame. Cops are human and fallible that doesn't mean that 27 years ago they didn't rule out suspects.
Also cite your sources. <modsnip - personalizing>

 

[OzarksTrailBlazer]

I’ve cited them already. Just check the post history.

1. Where did I say Mike was lying? Point to post number please. Need both quote and context.

2. Irish, yes it has mentions of Joe. It has to. But you do not have the same files as Joe’s case. Separate cases. No one denied it didn’t have polygraphs.

3. Joe and Mike were not co-defendants.

4. Cops are not infallible. Yes. So why is it only when it’s against the grave robbers on some level that they’re right but wrong when it’s Janelle, etc.

 

[OzarksTrailBlazer]

Every time you’ve asked, I’ve given them. Asher quote I’ve posted. I’ve posted both reports of Joe being in town. What else is still needed?

One of the reports of Joe being in town was AFTER the polygraph date written on the document Mike’s wife has in her possession. Just FYI. So much for the cops’ faith in those results when it came to going public. Yet no problems at all with Mike and Dusty.

I’m not even attacking Mike so I’m unclear why there’s vitriol towards me for suggesting Joe knows something about this crime.

 

[cherrymeg]

Every time you’ve asked, I’ve given them. Asher quote I’ve posted. I’ve posted both reports of Joe being in town. What else is still needed?

Link it! Thanks. Asher investigated the case 27 years ago.

 

[irisheyesofblue]

I’ve cited them already. Just check the post history.

1. Where did I say Mike was lying? Point to post number please. Need both quote and context.

2. Irish, yes it has mentions of Joe. It has to. But you do not have the same files as Joe’s case. Separate cases. No one denied it didn’t have polygraphs.

3. Joe and Mike were not co-defendants.

4. Cops are not infallible. Yes. So why is it only when it’s against the grave robbers on some level that they’re right but wrong when it’s Janelle, etc.

More than half the file is Joe. He is the one that talked the most.

 

[OzarksTrailBlazer]

More than half the file is Joe. He is the one that talked the most.

Again, my point isn’t that Joe is mentioned or not. It’s that Mike and Joe have separate cases. And there’s different discovery items in each case. Joe’s case was filed separately because he snitched. He had valuable information. He didn’t serve any time whatsoever and did more than Mike in the grave crime. 110,000 to Mike’s $2500. I’m going to guess Joe knew something pretty valuable. Mike’s bond didn’t even rise when he skipped town to CA.

 

[irisheyesofblue]

Again, my point isn’t that Joe is mentioned or not. It’s that Mike and Joe have separate cases. And there’s different discovery items in each case. Joe’s case was filed separately because he snitched. He had valuable information. He didn’t serve any time whatsoever and did more than Mike in the grave crime. 110,000 to Mike’s $2500. I’m going to guess Joe knew something pretty valuable. Mike’s bond didn’t even rise when he skipped town to CA.

There is this thing called a copy machine. Considering I KNOW what is in the file I don’t think Joe’s is too much different. I’m sure there are a few things, but Mike’s has the lie detector results, it has the statements AND it has the questioning of both Joe and Dusty and many other things. Does it include all Joe’s notices for court and things no. It only has those for Mike, but it has far more than you think.

 

[OzarksTrailBlazer]

Considering cops wanted Joe more badly than the others and that he walked away with not even a wrist slap tells me the cases are very different. In fact, I know they are.

I’m not arguing with you about Mike. I’m just discussing Joe and his alibi. He was in town. He got back to Springfield just like Mike did. Just unbeknownst to Mike.

 

[irisheyesofblue]

Considering cops wanted Joe more badly than the others and that he walked away with not even a wrist slap tells me the cases are very different. In fact, I know they are.

I’m not arguing with you about Mike. I’m just discussing Joe and his alibi. He was in town. He got back to Springfield just like Mike did. Just unbeknownst to Mike.

He did not get a wrist slap. He too got probation just like Mike and Dusty.