MO - Six Mohler family members for child sex crimes, Bates City 2009 #1

[Mojen]

Yeap saw that one, she did indeed hand him his *advertiser censored* in several cases that I have dug up.

I have only seen the Missouri ones, do you know where the divorce took place? How many times has this dude been married??

 

[PAXIMUS]

O/T - this is the second article I have seen in 2 days that talks about this. $250,000 to prove your innocent is a whole lot of money! What is missing from the articles is HOW you know and WHAT to do about it. I have good virus software, but sometimes my computer seems to be doing things without my instruction. I think this is scary and I passionately despise computer hackers and virus writers and I really think they should face some really, really stiff penalties when they are busted! :furious::furious:

Sorry for the rant. Back to catching up here.

Salem

If your comp is doing things without your command there is a reasonable chance you have been hijacked by someone who has gained REMOTE ACCESS to your machine. It is easy to do.

Download Superantispyware free version and run it often. If you still experience this you may want to wipe the entire drive clean and reinstall everything.

 

[gxm]

Indeed it boggles the mind that someone would subject themselves to national news exposure, legal deposition etc just to grind and axe but I have seen stranger things happen within families. But you are right, its hard to imagine.

The level of deviancy is mind blowing. It's either completely true or the accuser needs serious therapy.

 

[gxm]

Yeap saw that one, she did indeed hand him his *advertiser censored* in several cases that I have dug up.

If the ex-wife has been doing the *advertiser censored*-handing, then it would be more likely that he would want to get back at her, not the other way around.

 

[Mojen]

Sooo - what he wanting the kids emancipated so that he wouldn't have to pay child support or what?

And mom wants child support arrearages? ummmm -wouldn't that be her right?

and why would he be in arrears anyway? All the men I know who don't pay or are behind it's because that's their choice. Which, IMO, makes them jerks -- and men who don't take care of their kids by paying child support as ordered by a court are not truly "nice people".

JMOOOOC.

In Missouri, a party has to move the Court to have the children emancipated, or the child support will continue to accrue. As for the arrearages, it's a formality to get an order for the arrears. Family Support Payment Center would have to have an order showing current support for the kids that were emancipated is not due, but the back support is still due on them, in addition to the current on the unemancipated kid. She also got a judgment against him for unreimbursed medical expenses.

As for not paying child support, you would be amazed at the "nice people" who are behind on their child support.

Sorry that was so long. I am sure you have waited all your life for a tutorial in Missouri child support. :crazy:

 

[gxm]

I have only seen the Missouri ones, do you know where the divorce took place? How many times has this dude been married??

The local that posted said that he'd had multiple marriages and they were all messy divorces. The plural was used, so presumably he's been married AND divorced at least twice. Maybe when they visit the board again they'll let us know the exact numbers.

 

[PAXIMUS]

Sooo - was he wanting the kids emancipated so that he wouldn't have to pay child support or what?

And mom wants child support arrearages? ummmm -wouldn't that be her right?

and why would he be in arrears anyway? All the men I know who don't pay or are behind it's because that's their choice. Which, IMO, makes them jerks -- and men who don't take care of their kids by paying child support as ordered by a court are not truly "nice people".

JMOOOOC.

We dont know the situation well enough to draw any conclusions about it but I would note that if he knew of a past history of abuse the last place he would want to find himself is in a courtroom fighting his ex wife and kids, the fact that he did fight could be notable insofar as he knew there was no dirt for her to dig up on him. It is also worth noting that in all these cases the subject of abuse was never seemingly brought up by anyone and it would have been a perfect time and place to do exactly that.


I would also like to know if this young lady has been seeing a therapist and what the therapists name is, I have files full of therapists who deal with repressed memories etc who IMO cannot be trusted and who very much have an agenda.

 

[believe09]

New K.C. Star update on case, 11:16 A.M. CST

http://www.kansascity.com/842/story/1565809.html

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"The burying of bad memories was the adults’ idea, said Missouri Highway Patrol Sgt. Collin Stosberg.
“That was what they were told. Write these memories down, put them in a jar and bury it and the memories would go away. It was a way for them to cope.”

Was this the same suggestion of the adults that were abusing them? So it will not be definitive proof there was NOT a crime, since the jars could have been dug up??? :waitasec:

 

[believe09]

We dont know the situation well enough to draw any conclusions about it but I would note that if he knew of a past history of abuse the last place he would want to find himself is in a courtroom fighting his ex wife and kids, the fact that he did fight could be notable insofar as he knew there was no dirt for her to dig up on him. It is also worth noting that in all these cases the subject of abuse was never seemingly brought up by anyone and it would have been a perfect time and place to do exactly that.

I would also like to know if this young lady has been seeing a therapist and what the therapists name is, I have files full of therapists who deal with repressed memories etc who IMO cannot be trusted and who very much have an agenda.

Dont mean to beat a dead horse, but media reports and the probable cause statements indicate that she was not the only one making allegations.

 

[PAXIMUS]

I have only seen the Missouri ones, do you know where the divorce took place? How many times has this dude been married??

I am seeing what appears to be 2 or 3 marriages here, some of the cases I have pulled up are not showing up on casenet yet for some reason but I have other software that I use in my profession that gives me the most recent access to any court case in the country.

 

[gxm]

Sooo - was he wanting the kids emancipated so that he wouldn't have to pay child support or what?

And mom wants child support arrearages? ummmm -wouldn't that be her right?

and why would he be in arrears anyway? All the men I know who don't pay or are behind it's because that's their choice. Which, IMO, makes them jerks -- and men who don't take care of their kids by paying child support as ordered by a court are not truly "nice people".

JMOOOOC.

Exactly. Also, if he has been involved in more than one "messy" divorce (as the local poster has suggested) then the one "messy" constant is Burrell Jr., the same jerk who (it appears) refused to pay child support. He does not sound like the fine upstanding citizen some are making him out to be.

 

[PAXIMUS]

If the ex-wife has been doing the *advertiser censored*-handing, then it would be more likely that he would want to get back at her, not the other way around.

Or she has become emboldened and wants to deal a death blow. Not saying thats the case but we dont know.

Hopefully more evidence will be released so we can put this matter to rest and start talking about what should happen to those who are guilty.

 

[concentric]

snip
"The burying of bad memories was the adults’ idea, said Missouri Highway Patrol Sgt. Collin Stosberg.
“That was what they were told. Write these memories down, put them in a jar and bury it and the memories would go away. It was a way for them to cope.”

Was this the same suggestion of the adults that were abusing them? So it will not be definitive proof there was NOT a crime, since the jars could have been dug up??? :waitasec:

Wonder what is written on the notes?

 

[PAXIMUS]

Dont mean to beat a dead horse, but media reports and the probable cause statements indicate that she was not the only one making allegations.

Thats true but we dont know what the other siblings have said and it could simply be a matter of them telling investiators that they are standing by their sister in this difficult period but have nothing further to add, in fact that is exactly how I read it to be.

 

[mysticrose]

Three of the brothers appeared near tears as they moved shackled in their jail garb. Each was escorted by an individual law officer, who stood behind them during the preliminary arraignment.

http://www.kansascity.com/842/story/1565809.html

 

[mysticrose]

Father Says Son Was Victim of Mohler Family

INDEPENDENCE, Mo. - The Lafayette County Sheriff said they expect there are more victims abused by the Mohlers, but haven't come forward. Detectives have contacted some of those people, like Mark Young's son. Young said his son was abused by one of the Mohler men.

Mark Young and his former wife Pamela Robinson had a child together and that woman later married Burrell Edward Mohler, Jr. Young said Robinson and his son would disappear for days.

Young said another ex-wife of Mohler, Jr tipped him off nearly a decade ago to sexual abuse going on at the farm. He said she warned him so that his then seven-year old son would not become a victim.

"She started crying, and advised me that she felt my son was in extreme danger," Young said.

Young said that woman's six children, who are alleged victims in this case, saw Young's son at the family farm.

http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-mohler-victim-young-111309,0,590962.story

 

[IWannaKnow]

HMMMMMMMM

"Only one family member was present in the court, M. C. of Lenexa. The first cousin of the senior Mohler said they hadn’t had much contact, but he learned of the case sitting at home when the story came over the television Wednesday night"

http://www.kansascity.com/842/story/1565809.html

I edited this to remove the name of the relative who showed up.

 

[mysticrose]

Here is a short video of the men being led into the courtroom:

http://videos.kansascity.com/vmix_hosted_apps/p/media?id=7266610

 

[Texas Mist]

We dont know the situation well enough to draw any conclusions about it but I would note that if he knew of a past history of abuse the last place he would want to find himself is in a courtroom fighting his ex wife and kids, the fact that he did fight could be notable insofar as he knew there was no dirt for her to dig up on him. It is also worth noting that in all these cases the subject of abuse was never seemingly brought up by anyone and it would have been a perfect time and place to do exactly that..

It's my experience that abusers believe themselves to be omnipotent & do not worry about abuse (of whatever kind) accusations. Just their $$. Not paying child support is part & parcel of the M.O. of abusers - as per my experience & experiences of many folks I know.

I could see where a mom would just want what she needed to take care of the kids and *not* want to drag kids thru the whole mess of incest accusations. Just get what the court ordered & try to deal with whatever issues she & the kids may have.

I would also like to know if this young lady has been seeing a therapist and what the therapists name is, I have files full of therapists who deal with repressed memories etc who IMO cannot be trusted and who very much have an agenda.

If indeed "false" repressed memories, why would siblings support their sister's statements?

Just trying to understand if you are saying you think it's possible that all the siblings have false memories, perhaps induced by therapist(s).

(and please don't think I'm trying to be mean or snarky - I enjoy reading your posts & appreciate your insights!)

 

[gxm]

HMMMMMMMM

"Only one family member was present in the court, Merrill Clark of Lenexa. The first cousin of the senior Mohler said they hadn’t had much contact, but he learned of the case sitting at home when the story came over the television Wednesday night"

http://www.kansascity.com/842/story/1565809.html

My thoughts exactly. Where were all their supporters?