http://www.marshallnews.com/story/1586159.html
One brother was an EMT.
One brother was an EMT.
MO - Six Mohler family members for child sex crimes, Bates City 2009 #1
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Do we know if these victims are the only grandchildren in the family?
No they aren't because one of the articles states david also has children. very strange.
May I ask a simple question? Why do people continue to think that children will get together and "make up stories" like this? Do they not realize that it is no walk in the park to be drug through an investigation, be deposed, be physically examined, be made to sit in the witness stand, and to have the media hound you concerning the most embarrassing and graphic details of your life? Just to "get revenge on Dad"? I think not.
It is my experience that children only finally tell under huge duress. The pain has gotten too great to bear or a sibling is also being victimized. Our children did NOT like disclosing about their rapist. They thought he was their friend and they liked him and looked up to him. They were ashamed of themselves for what they'd done!!
The accusation was made, during our trial, that our children might have been mad at their rapist. Let's look at that. Eleven years have passed since the trial. Our eight children and two others (not our children, but also with special needs) were known victims. I cannot tell you how many times these ten children got mad at someone. They've been mad as hell at me and their Dad, at teachers, at therapists, at bullies. But never EVER once has any of these kids "made up a story" of abuse to "get back at someone". I admit that nasty things happen in custody cases but this is a different kettle of fish. Children would rather hack off their own foot than talk about sexual abuse. It mortifies them and rattles them to the core.
I'm hoping that this group of adult siblings are strong and have a tight bond with one another. I'm also hoping that they have loving support as they are going to be walking through fire. It's horrible to be silenced. It's unforgivable to be disbelieved. It's traumatic beyond all bounds to have your private hell made public.
I, for one, stand in awe at their bravery to speak out. They quite possibly are saving other victims from the fate they suffered.
It is my experience that children only finally tell under huge duress. The pain has gotten too great to bear or a sibling is also being victimized. Our children did NOT like disclosing about their rapist. They thought he was their friend and they liked him and looked up to him. They were ashamed of themselves for what they'd done!!
The accusation was made, during our trial, that our children might have been mad at their rapist. Let's look at that. Eleven years have passed since the trial. Our eight children and two others (not our children, but also with special needs) were known victims. I cannot tell you how many times these ten children got mad at someone. They've been mad as hell at me and their Dad, at teachers, at therapists, at bullies. But never EVER once has any of these kids "made up a story" of abuse to "get back at someone". I admit that nasty things happen in custody cases but this is a different kettle of fish. Children would rather hack off their own foot than talk about sexual abuse. It mortifies them and rattles them to the core.
I'm hoping that this group of adult siblings are strong and have a tight bond with one another. I'm also hoping that they have loving support as they are going to be walking through fire. It's horrible to be silenced. It's unforgivable to be disbelieved. It's traumatic beyond all bounds to have your private hell made public.
I, for one, stand in awe at their bravery to speak out. They quite possibly are saving other victims from the fate they suffered.
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Looks like something may have gone on from time to time at the old guy's house, ie apt on the property?
JMHO
fran
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5icSy8xJFicnYGfHRB1LFS2xAXAewD9BTGJ900
5 men charged with sex crimes against children
Deborah Burris, who has lived across the street from Burrell Mohler Sr. for several years, described the suspect as a friendly, helpful neighbor.
"We didn't even know he had sons. We didn't know anyone but Burrell himself," Burris said.
She said she thought Mohler lived with his wife and a daughter, but she had never seen them. He was occasionally seen walking around the neighborhood but had appeared frail lately, Burris said.
She said Mohler's house has an apartment on the north side, and there had been "quite a bit of activity there at different times."
"I had thought maybe someone was moving in or out of there," Burris said.
JMHO
fran
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5icSy8xJFicnYGfHRB1LFS2xAXAewD9BTGJ900
5 men charged with sex crimes against children
Deborah Burris, who has lived across the street from Burrell Mohler Sr. for several years, described the suspect as a friendly, helpful neighbor.
"We didn't even know he had sons. We didn't know anyone but Burrell himself," Burris said.
She said she thought Mohler lived with his wife and a daughter, but she had never seen them. He was occasionally seen walking around the neighborhood but had appeared frail lately, Burris said.
She said Mohler's house has an apartment on the north side, and there had been "quite a bit of activity there at different times."
"I had thought maybe someone was moving in or out of there," Burris said.
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omg. just omg.
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I hope they find the notes in the bottles that are said to exist.
This would go a long way toward separating the facts of this case from those which permeated the "Satanic ritual abuse" cases of the 1980s, in which, as is now realized, children did turn on a parent or parents or relatives, due to manipulation by (well-meaning) LE and therapists. "Believe the children" then were watchwords for blanket acceptance of any charges made, and these charges have since been proven to have been false.
Those of us who remember those '80s cases realize that many of the charges made in this horrific case resemble those of the earlier decade: incest, bestiality, forced abortion. The only thing different here, so far, is that there are no allegations of devil worship and sacrifice.
Again, though, if they are guilty, bring on the guillotine and I'll flip the lever.
This would go a long way toward separating the facts of this case from those which permeated the "Satanic ritual abuse" cases of the 1980s, in which, as is now realized, children did turn on a parent or parents or relatives, due to manipulation by (well-meaning) LE and therapists. "Believe the children" then were watchwords for blanket acceptance of any charges made, and these charges have since been proven to have been false.
Those of us who remember those '80s cases realize that many of the charges made in this horrific case resemble those of the earlier decade: incest, bestiality, forced abortion. The only thing different here, so far, is that there are no allegations of devil worship and sacrifice.
Again, though, if they are guilty, bring on the guillotine and I'll flip the lever.
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I'm really hoping the "killings" weren't real...just an elaborate hoax to keep the children terrified and their mouths shut.
There have been comments on some of the media sources using words like "inbred", hillbillies", "backwoods" and so on. Shame on the commenters, first off. It matters not a whit where child abuse happens or who does it or what the level of education is of a perp. It's simply wrong and evil.
That said, a chilling aspect of this case seems to be that this family was well educated and well known in their community. I know it shouldn't matter, but that fact almost makes me sicker. At least two of the brothers worked at a college and a couple seem to be pastors.
Has anyone seen any follow up concerning the disabled female who lived at the residence? I worry about that woman.
That said, a chilling aspect of this case seems to be that this family was well educated and well known in their community. I know it shouldn't matter, but that fact almost makes me sicker. At least two of the brothers worked at a college and a couple seem to be pastors.
Has anyone seen any follow up concerning the disabled female who lived at the residence? I worry about that woman.
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A 2:56 P.M. CST update of the Kansas City Star's lead story:
http://www.kansascity.com/703/story/1563043.html
http://www.kansascity.com/703/story/1563043.html
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Probable Cause Statement.
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http://www.fox4kc.com/media/acrobat/2009-11/50431694.pdf
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http://www.fox4kc.com/media/acrobat/2009-11/50431694.pdf
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This comment showed up on:
http://www.topix.net/forum/source/fox4kc/T9PFUFKS9DU4OT0S7/p10
"I've known this family most all of my life. I do know there were allegations of this happening back in the 80's but nothing ever came of it."
These children tried to cry out for help at the time but they were not believed. See why children just close down and accept their fate? Even loving relatives and caring adults can shut children down, minimize their statements, and give the child the sense that this information is not appropriate to talk about. Trust me, I know. No adult wants to hear this come from a child. Our minds absolutely reel when we hear this stuff.
Parents and other trusted adults--When your children tell you they have something to say, stop, and listen. Don't interrupt, don't make eye contact, don't ask questions, don't try to rationalize--just listen--and call the police and make a report. Your local Children's Advocacy Center will take it from there. Children are fragile and they are scared. They must be so strong and brave to speak out. Please listen. Just a reminder from a Mom who's been there.
http://www.topix.net/forum/source/fox4kc/T9PFUFKS9DU4OT0S7/p10
"I've known this family most all of my life. I do know there were allegations of this happening back in the 80's but nothing ever came of it."
These children tried to cry out for help at the time but they were not believed. See why children just close down and accept their fate? Even loving relatives and caring adults can shut children down, minimize their statements, and give the child the sense that this information is not appropriate to talk about. Trust me, I know. No adult wants to hear this come from a child. Our minds absolutely reel when we hear this stuff.
Parents and other trusted adults--When your children tell you they have something to say, stop, and listen. Don't interrupt, don't make eye contact, don't ask questions, don't try to rationalize--just listen--and call the police and make a report. Your local Children's Advocacy Center will take it from there. Children are fragile and they are scared. They must be so strong and brave to speak out. Please listen. Just a reminder from a Mom who's been there.
I just read the complaint and I'm experiencing a bit of PTSD. I've called a few support people. I know how to ask for help. I can't help noticing how these complaints always have so many similarities. Many many things jumped out at me that were also detailed in our children's disclosures and documents.
One observation I have is that pedophiles seem to be stuck at a level of sexual exploration/sexual play which is then filtered through their sick and filthy adult brains. Dogs, mock marriages, anal penetration? Does it ever change? God help these young people. I hope their families and spouses and children are gathered around them in support. They are going to need every drop of support we can all give them.
I can only thank God that my babies were not hurt by a family member. He was a neighbor. It's a huge comfort that we've stayed safe and strong together.
I think it's important after a brutal news day like this to take stock of our families. Look around you tonight at that dinner table. Value and treasure your children. Listen to them. Their innocence is the most precious gift you can preserve for them. Let your children know that you want them to talk to you, confide in you--that there's never anything that they can't tell you. Count your blessings. Hug them tight and overlook their silly shortcomings. Tell them that you love them and cherish them forever.
One observation I have is that pedophiles seem to be stuck at a level of sexual exploration/sexual play which is then filtered through their sick and filthy adult brains. Dogs, mock marriages, anal penetration? Does it ever change? God help these young people. I hope their families and spouses and children are gathered around them in support. They are going to need every drop of support we can all give them.
I can only thank God that my babies were not hurt by a family member. He was a neighbor. It's a huge comfort that we've stayed safe and strong together.
I think it's important after a brutal news day like this to take stock of our families. Look around you tonight at that dinner table. Value and treasure your children. Listen to them. Their innocence is the most precious gift you can preserve for them. Let your children know that you want them to talk to you, confide in you--that there's never anything that they can't tell you. Count your blessings. Hug them tight and overlook their silly shortcomings. Tell them that you love them and cherish them forever.
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Alumbaugh said authorities believe there may be bodies buried on the property outside Bates City, which is about 30 miles east of Kansas City. He refused to say to whom any of the bodies would have belonged. The property and a nearby home is owned by a man unrelated to the case who is cooperating with authorities.
A small excavator could be seen moving across the property Wednesday. Two ambulances were parked nearby, and crews were searching a creek with metal detectors.
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Three of the five men are lay ministers in the Community of Christ church whose licenses have been suspended, church spokeswoman Linda L. Booth said.
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Sgt. Collin Stosberg, a spokesman for the Missouri State Highway Patrol, said adults told the children that if they wrote down bad memories and put them in a jar, the bad memories would go away.
That was what they were told. Write these memories down, put them in a jar and bury it and the memories would go away, Stosberg said. It was a way for them to cope.
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Police in Columbia seized a computer and discs from Jared Mohlers home on Tuesday, police spokeswoman Jessie Haden said. Jared Mohler is a database administrator at Carfax, a company that provides vehicle history reports to prospective buyers, a coworker said. He was arrested at work.
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The church takes seriously the allegations that have been made and suspended the priesthood licenses of three lay ministers: Burrell Mohler Sr., David Mohler and Jared Mohler, the church said in a statement.
Booth said one of the men, whom she refused to identify, had been registered to work with children but that license has been terminated.
The Community of Christ, headquartered in Independence, split from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in 1860 and was known as the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints until 2001. It has about 250,000 members worldwide.
full 3 pg article here
http://www.rgj.com/article/20091111/NEWS12/91111038/1321/NEWS
Alumbaugh said authorities believe there may be bodies buried on the property outside Bates City, which is about 30 miles east of Kansas City. He refused to say to whom any of the bodies would have belonged. The property and a nearby home is owned by a man unrelated to the case who is cooperating with authorities.
A small excavator could be seen moving across the property Wednesday. Two ambulances were parked nearby, and crews were searching a creek with metal detectors.
.....
Three of the five men are lay ministers in the Community of Christ church whose licenses have been suspended, church spokeswoman Linda L. Booth said.
....
Sgt. Collin Stosberg, a spokesman for the Missouri State Highway Patrol, said adults told the children that if they wrote down bad memories and put them in a jar, the bad memories would go away.
That was what they were told. Write these memories down, put them in a jar and bury it and the memories would go away, Stosberg said. It was a way for them to cope.
.....
Police in Columbia seized a computer and discs from Jared Mohlers home on Tuesday, police spokeswoman Jessie Haden said. Jared Mohler is a database administrator at Carfax, a company that provides vehicle history reports to prospective buyers, a coworker said. He was arrested at work.
......
The church takes seriously the allegations that have been made and suspended the priesthood licenses of three lay ministers: Burrell Mohler Sr., David Mohler and Jared Mohler, the church said in a statement.
Booth said one of the men, whom she refused to identify, had been registered to work with children but that license has been terminated.
The Community of Christ, headquartered in Independence, split from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in 1860 and was known as the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints until 2001. It has about 250,000 members worldwide.
full 3 pg article here
http://www.rgj.com/article/20091111/NEWS12/91111038/1321/NEWS
southcitymom
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Because some of them do. It happens - more than we know - and lives get decimated by it. There are savvy juveniles out there who know the power of a false sexual abuse accusation.
I am not implying that this is the case with the investigation we are discussing here or even the case most of the time. And I am deeply respectful of the terrible heartache your family has been through, Missizzy - I really appreciate your input on these threads. I agree that it takes uncommon bravery to even begin to talk about being abused as a child, much less help authorities bring a case.
For me - an allegation of child sexual assault is so deeply ruinous to so many people that I want us to look at it clinically and skeptically from every side before judgment is passed.
I am not a sexual abuse survivor, but many people in my life (including a sister and my husband) are. I know first-hand what that experience does to people. Still, I am glad there is a strong burden of proof to be met in legal cases such as this.
My prayers for everyone who is suffering as a result of the allegations being made in this case.
I beg to differ with this statement, if my research is correct:
"Booth, the church spokeswoman, said none of the Mohlers served in leadership roles in the congregations they attended “nor did they serve as volunteer youth workers, teach children or youth church school, or work with children or youth.”
“The church takes seriously the allegations that have been made and suspended the priesthood licenses of three lay ministers: Burrell Mohler Sr., David Mohler and Jared Mohler,” the church said in a statement.
Booth said one of the men, whom she refused to identify, had been registered to work with children but that license has been terminated.
The Community of Christ, headquartered in Independence, split from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in 1860 and was known as the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints until 2001. It has about 250,000 members worldwide."
I found at least two references to one of the perps and his daughter serving as ushers in church and at least two references to one of the perps preaching. That, IMO, does put the men in contact with children. The same article explains the purpose for the glass jars. I had not seen this before:
"Sgt. Collin Stosberg, a spokesman for the Missouri State Highway Patrol, said adults told the children that if they wrote down bad memories and put them in a jar, “the bad memories would go away.”
“That was what they were told. Write these memories down, put them in a jar and bury it and the memories would go away,” Stosberg said. “It was a way for them to cope.”
This is from this link:
http://gazetteonline.com/blogs/news...buse-by-iowa-man-missouri-brothers-and-father
"Booth, the church spokeswoman, said none of the Mohlers served in leadership roles in the congregations they attended “nor did they serve as volunteer youth workers, teach children or youth church school, or work with children or youth.”
“The church takes seriously the allegations that have been made and suspended the priesthood licenses of three lay ministers: Burrell Mohler Sr., David Mohler and Jared Mohler,” the church said in a statement.
Booth said one of the men, whom she refused to identify, had been registered to work with children but that license has been terminated.
The Community of Christ, headquartered in Independence, split from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in 1860 and was known as the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints until 2001. It has about 250,000 members worldwide."
I found at least two references to one of the perps and his daughter serving as ushers in church and at least two references to one of the perps preaching. That, IMO, does put the men in contact with children. The same article explains the purpose for the glass jars. I had not seen this before:
"Sgt. Collin Stosberg, a spokesman for the Missouri State Highway Patrol, said adults told the children that if they wrote down bad memories and put them in a jar, “the bad memories would go away.”
“That was what they were told. Write these memories down, put them in a jar and bury it and the memories would go away,” Stosberg said. “It was a way for them to cope.”
This is from this link:
http://gazetteonline.com/blogs/news...buse-by-iowa-man-missouri-brothers-and-father
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I wonder what adults told the children to do the jar thing??? IMO It sounds like something a woman would say.
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